18 January 1871 was the start of the German Empire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_Reich Prussia came into existence in 1701 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Prussia Marge wrote: > I think the geography part is confusing. The way I understand it, Prussia > was a loosely knit bunch of countries, ruled by a king and at one time quite > large. stretched far into Poland. I read they acquired land by marrying > into the kingdoms and also war. Germany didn't become a country until after > the turn of the 18th century. Does anyone know the date? And the date that > Prussia started? And even now, they are divided by names like Hesse, ect, > which is sort of like our states or provinces and then farther divided > called a Kreis,or district, and then again into a town or hamlet. We can > all use history lessons when looking for our ancesters. I love this list. > marge > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "juliasgenes" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:49 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Place in Germany > > >> Hi, Lorri ~ >> Check JewishGen Communities Database at >> http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Search.asp (you may have heard of it >> as "ShetelSeeker", the prior name that means the equivalent of "hometown". >> A Bergfeld search comes out as today's Barchfeld, Hessen-Nassau, Preußen. >> Since I know nothing about German geography (Prussia was near Germany, >> wasn't it? .^_^.), I'll leave you to follow the links from the search. And >> to any comments other Listees care to make. In addition to this list's >> webpage & forum, there's a Rootsweb list called Prussia-Roots that's very >> helpful with these kinds of questions, though I haven't been there in at >> least 1+ years. >> http://www.germanyroots.comhttp://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/PRUSSIA-ROOTS.html >> Good luck, Julia >> >> --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Lorri <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> ...the place he lived was BERGFELD would anyone have any Idea where this >> is?... >> Lorri >> >> >> >> >> >> For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: >> http://www.germanyroots.com >> >> Please visit and participate in our new forum >> http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Dave Researching Surnames Marshall, Broemsen, Blaetner, Pugh, Schlicher, Kennedy, Harmison Located in Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania and ??? Dave Marshall N8OAY [email protected] N8OAY's Railfan Help Desk http://www.railfanswelcome.com

Hi, Lorri. When you have something like that to look up, try using Google to search "Bergfeld, Germany Wiki", or whatever you are looking for. In this case, you will get a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergfeld This page does not have any information other than a map and the name of the State in Germany where it is located. Some Wiki pages have a lot of good information, and some do not. You can most of the time count on Wikipedia to at least have what the Bergfeld page has. Dave Lorri wrote: > I think I found my g grandfather in Castle Garden? the place he lived was > BERGFELD would anyone have any Idea where this is? On marriage it states > Hessian > Thanks for any help. > Lorri > > > > searching-for ancestors > GEIGER-Veach-Allen-Barnett-CARROLL > -GEARIN-KANE-SMITH-MOYLAN > DONAHUE-BURNS-Fowler-Fahey > UHLE -MANTZ -PSCHYBYLSKI -GRIGOLEIT > BUSCHMANN -MONTING-ODONNELL > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Dave Researching Surnames Marshall, Broemsen, Blaetner, Pugh, Schlicher, Kennedy, Harmison Located in Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania and ??? Dave Marshall N8OAY [email protected] N8OAY's Railfan Help Desk http://www.railfanswelcome.com

Hi, Lorri. On Castle Garden's web page, if you move your mouse pointer over the words in the upper left corder, you should see some of them change color. They changes from green to orange. When you see them change color, that is a link that you can click on. SEARCH is the middle of the top three right below the CastleGarden.org name. Not all links on CastleGarden.org change color, just those 7 links in the top left corner. Dave juliasgenes wrote: > Lorri ~ > Look at the upper left corner of their homepage. Immediately under "CastleGarden.org", you'll see three rectangular boxes "About Us", "Search", and "Timeline". You'll want to click & use all three. > This is one of THE major search sites for European ancestors arriving in NYC prior to Ellis Island's opening - do try to get it to work for you. Perhaps if you used a different browser, it will work better? I use Opera & FireFox with no problem - so far! > > It's absolutely (at this point) free to search, though they ask for donations. If they are helpful to you, consider making one. Although it's not set up to allow you to see the original documents, it will give you info on your ancestors that includes the ship they arrived on and date. With that info, you have several options available to you to see the original document (hey - you may totally disagree with the transcriber's interpretation!): > 1Go to the National Archives (NARA) branch where that film can be seen (Washington has all the films, NYC has NYC manifests, Phidelphia has Baltimore's, etc) - free to search the films, though an 11 x 17 copy cost me $1.50, I think, 2 years ago. The NYC librarians were EXTREMELY helpful and even directed me to a microfilm of a 1930 Brooklyn directory that had my father listed with his brand new first wife. > 2Buy the microfilm that contains that ship's info from the National Archives - cost $85/roll includes shipping. They no longer rent films. You can keep the film forever and pass it down in your family, donate it to a library or society after you're through, or cut it up into Christmas tree ornaments. > 3Check if any major historical/genealogical societies within driving distance already has the NARA films > 4See if your library can get the film through inter-library loan (perhaps from your state library) > 5call your nearest Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) to ask where the closest Family History Center is and order the film through them (for a modest shipping fee), or go to FamilySearch.org and use your zip code to get the same info (bottom center of the homepage). > Castle Garden's director is Dr. Ira Glazier who, with co-editor P. William Filby, produces the enormous (and somewhat flawed) series, GERMANS TO AMERICA, and other scholarly works (ITALIANS TO AMERICA and MIGRATION FROM THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE, etc). So it's not a fly-by-night website. > Good luck! Julia > > --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Lorri <[email protected]> wrote: > > ...there is nothing to click on > lorri > > > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- Dave Researching Surnames Marshall, Broemsen, Blaetner, Pugh, Schlicher, Kennedy, Harmison Located in Ohio, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania and ??? Dave Marshall N8OAY [email protected] N8OAY's Railfan Help Desk http://www.railfanswelcome.com

Lorri, [I gave the thread a proper name] As you may know, Henry Schmidt emigrated to Baltimore, MD with three other people from Bargfeld, Hesse-Kassel, namely Nicolaus Volkert, 20 Shoemaker, Reinhard Scheitler, 17, who like Henry is also a Tailor, and Elisabeth Scheitler, 15, who is listed as a Tailor but was probably a dressmaker or seamstress. Regarding the town of "Bargfeld", I checked the Hessen Gazetteer for "Bergfeld", "Borgfeld", "Burgfeld" and Bargfeld but found no such place. This leaves me to believe, that the reference to "Hesse-Kassel" may be wrong. There is a "Bargfeld" in Niedersachsen [Lower Saxony] and another one in "Thueringen" [Thuringia], disregarding the one located in Schleswig-Holstein as that is in far field. I'm going on the assumption that these guys knew each other either because of their occupation or hometown. Since they arrived in Baltimore rather than New York, it stands to reason that they would either continue on to visit relatives in other states or remain in Baltimore, looking for work. I was lucky to locate Nicolaus VOLKERT, the shoemaker, on the 1860 census in Baltimore; He is married by then. I had hoped of perhaps finding Henry Schmidt or Reinhard Scheitler in Baltimore as well, but so far I haven't been able to locate either in Maryland. So perhaps these two tailors did continue on to Pennsylvania. With there being no shortage of "Henry Schmidts or Smiths" all born about 1834 in "Germany" it would be sheer luck if I were to find him in Pennsylvania in 1860. It seems to me that you need to do more research in PA, marriage record, children's birth records, death records, obituary and so on, before you can definitely say that he came from Hesse. You didn't mention the name of his wife, or the names of any children on the 1870 census; would you please? Also, would you please let me know the Ward number mentioned in the 1870 or 1880 census so that I can look him up? Ursula ____________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorri" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:32:45 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Place in Germany Ursula, thanks for replying. I found my Henry Schmidt on Ship Anna sept 20 1851 age 17 town of origin Bargfeld destination Baltimore occ. tailor I cant find him on 1860 census, the first I find him is his marr in 1864 he lived all his life in Phila. Pa. Thank you for any help. Lorri

Hi Marge, Tribes are groups of people without "state" boundaries. Long ago Europe was over run by tribes among them were the Alemani, Angles, Burgundians, Franks, Goths, Jutes, Lombards, Suevi, Visigoths, Vandals, and others. They settled in different areas of Europe. Of the tribes that settled in the area that is Germany, although there were differences in language and customs, they were enough alike to be considered "Germanic." I hope this helps. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "HARRY MARJORIE DELLWO" To: "germany-passenger-lists" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Modern German states > > well, I think Bobbi answered it. Yes, I knew about the earlier rulers. I > have another question. If Germany did not exist before 1871, why are they > called Germanic peoples > > thanks again >

I put a message on the list about this some time ago. Ursula, you suggested subscribing to <[email protected]>. I have tried several times, but cannot even get them to respond to the "subscribe" request. Do I need to put "subscribe" in German? If so, what is the word? Shirley

I found a lot of Langohrs living in Haßloch, Pfalz, Baiern and Lachen Grossherzth, Baiern. Ed

Hi Marge, The German Empire or "Deutsches Reich" started in 1871. For more information see Wikepedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussia For a map of Prussia in the German Empire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prussiamap.gif Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marge" To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Place in Germany I think the geography part is confusing. The way I understand it, Prussia was a loosely knit bunch of countries, ruled by a king and at one time quite large. stretched far into Poland. I read they acquired land by marrying into the kingdoms and also war. Germany didn't become a country until after the turn of the 18th century. Does anyone know the date? And the date that Prussia started? And even now, they are divided by names like Hesse, ect, which is sort of like our states or provinces and then farther divided called a Kreis,or district, and then again into a town or hamlet. We can all use history lessons when looking for our ancesters. I love this list. marge

I am not sure if this is your question. When did Germany unite. In 1871 Germany united into 16 states as we recognize them today. In earlier days there were as many as 38 states. These were ruled by many factions. Bill Fehlinger _ NJ

well, I think Bobbi answered it. Yes, I knew about the earlier rulers. I have another question. If Germany did not exist before 1871, why are they called Germanic peoples thanks again > From: [email protected] > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:48:05 -0500 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [G-P-L] Modern German states > > I am not sure if this is your question. When did Germany unite. > > In 1871 Germany united into 16 states as we recognize them today. > In earlier days there were as many as 38 states. These were ruled by > many factions. > > Bill Fehlinger _ NJ > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Bobbi. > Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:49:00 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [G-P-L] Fw: Place in Germany > > > Hi Marge, > > The German Empire or "Deutsches Reich" started in 1871. > For more information see Wikepedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussia > For a map of Prussia in the German Empire: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prussiamap.gif > > Bobbi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marge" > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Place in Germany > > > I think the geography part is confusing. The way I understand it, Prussia > was a loosely knit bunch of countries, ruled by a king and at one time > quite > large. stretched far into Poland. I read they acquired land by marrying > into the kingdoms and also war. Germany didn't become a country until > after > the turn of the 18th century. Does anyone know the date? And the date that > Prussia started? And even now, they are divided by names like Hesse, ect, > which is sort of like our states or provinces and then farther divided > called a Kreis,or district, and then again into a town or hamlet. We can > all use history lessons when looking for our ancesters. I love this list. > marge > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paulette, the most common spelling of that surname is KREHBIEL, anything else is Americanized spelling. There are quite a few families listed by that name. Good luck with your search. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:47:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [G-P-L] (no subject) for years I have hit a brick wall trying to find my ancestor Christian Crabiel - I have all the info from when he was in America - his census say he was from Baden Germany, we always believed the Crabiel's came from Alyse Lorraine (when German controlled) Christian Crabiel - born 1832 came to US - we believe in 1852 (Milltown-New Brunswick area of NJ) can not find the ship or port he came into in the US - no luck on Castle maybe the last name was changed - the "C" in Crabiel seems more like a french spelling (he definitely spoke w/ a heavy German accent - we have proof of that also) an 1880 census for NJ shows the spelling as Krieble (that is the only time that spelling comes up) I've tried all different possiblities on Castle - does anyone have any other suggestions Paulette For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Marge, The German Empire or "Deutsches Reich" started in 1871. For more information see Wikepedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussia For a map of Prussia in the German Empire: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prussiamap.gif Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marge" To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Place in Germany I think the geography part is confusing. The way I understand it, Prussia was a loosely knit bunch of countries, ruled by a king and at one time quite large. stretched far into Poland. I read they acquired land by marrying into the kingdoms and also war. Germany didn't become a country until after the turn of the 18th century. Does anyone know the date? And the date that Prussia started? And even now, they are divided by names like Hesse, ect, which is sort of like our states or provinces and then farther divided called a Kreis,or district, and then again into a town or hamlet. We can all use history lessons when looking for our ancesters. I love this list. marge

Lorri, there is no town Bergfeld in Hesse, there are 2 or 3 towns by that name in other states. Of course it might help if you'd tell us the name of the immigrant, date of arrival/name of ship so that we can check the actual passenger ship list rather than a transcription. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "juliasgenes" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:49:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Place in Germany Hi, Lorri ~ Check JewishGen Communities Database at http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Search.asp (you may have heard of it as "ShetelSeeker", the prior name that means the equivalent of "hometown". A Bergfeld search comes out as today's Barchfeld, Hessen-Nassau, Preußen. Since I know nothing about German geography (Prussia was near Germany, wasn't it? .^_^.), I'll leave you to follow the links from the search. And to any comments other Listees care to make. In addition to this list's webpage & forum, there's a Rootsweb list called Prussia-Roots that's very helpful with these kinds of questions, though I haven't been there in at least 1+ years. http://www.germanyroots.comhttp://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/PRUSSIA-ROOTS.html Good luck, Julia --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Lorri <[email protected]> wrote: ...the place he lived was BERGFELD would anyone have any Idea where this is?... Lorri For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ursula, thanks for replying. I found my Henry Schmidt on Ship Anna sept 20 1851 age 17 town of origin Bargfeld destination Baltimore occ. tailor I cant find him on 1860 census, the first I find him is his marr in 1864 he lived all his life in Phila. Pa. Thank you for any help. Lorri sea Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Place in Germany > Lorri, > there is no town Bergfeld in Hesse, there are 2 or 3 towns by that name in > other states. > Of course it might help if you'd tell us the name of the immigrant, date > of arrival/name of ship so that we can check the actual passenger ship > list rather than a transcription. > > Ursula > > ____________________________________________________ > There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "juliasgenes" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:49:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Place in Germany > > Hi, Lorri ~ > Check JewishGen Communities Database at > http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Search.asp (you may have heard of it > as "ShetelSeeker", the prior name that means the equivalent of "hometown". > A Bergfeld search comes out as today's Barchfeld, Hessen-Nassau, Preußen. > Since I know nothing about German geography (Prussia was near Germany, > wasn't it? .^_^.), I'll leave you to follow the links from the search. And > to any comments other Listees care to make. In addition to this list's > webpage & forum, there's a Rootsweb list called Prussia-Roots that's very > helpful with these kinds of questions, though I haven't been there in at > least 1+ years. > http://www.germanyroots.comhttp://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/PRUSSIA-ROOTS.html > Good luck, Julia > > --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Lorri <[email protected]> wrote: > > ...the place he lived was BERGFELD would anyone have any Idea where this > is?... > Lorri > > > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think the geography part is confusing. The way I understand it, Prussia was a loosely knit bunch of countries, ruled by a king and at one time quite large. stretched far into Poland. I read they acquired land by marrying into the kingdoms and also war. Germany didn't become a country until after the turn of the 18th century. Does anyone know the date? And the date that Prussia started? And even now, they are divided by names like Hesse, ect, which is sort of like our states or provinces and then farther divided called a Kreis,or district, and then again into a town or hamlet. We can all use history lessons when looking for our ancesters. I love this list. marge -------------------------------------------------- From: "juliasgenes" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:49 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Place in Germany > Hi, Lorri ~ > Check JewishGen Communities Database at > http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Search.asp (you may have heard of it > as "ShetelSeeker", the prior name that means the equivalent of "hometown". > A Bergfeld search comes out as today's Barchfeld, Hessen-Nassau, Preußen. > Since I know nothing about German geography (Prussia was near Germany, > wasn't it? .^_^.), I'll leave you to follow the links from the search. And > to any comments other Listees care to make. In addition to this list's > webpage & forum, there's a Rootsweb list called Prussia-Roots that's very > helpful with these kinds of questions, though I haven't been there in at > least 1+ years. > http://www.germanyroots.comhttp://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/PRUSSIA-ROOTS.html > Good luck, Julia > > --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Lorri <[email protected]> wrote: > > ...the place he lived was BERGFELD would anyone have any Idea where this > is?... > Lorri > > > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Marge, My wife got me a book (Atlas of World History, from the Ancient World to the Present), at Barnes and Noble. The book was about $20.00 and has the history on the world. This should answer your question, and more. I was trying to answer your question, but just looking fast through the book, I could not find the date. Will keep looking, as I too am researching family in Germany. Richard Swank in So. California On 1/14/2010 8:05 AM, Marge wrote: > I think the geography part is confusing. The way I understand it, Prussia > was a loosely knit bunch of countries, ruled by a king and at one time quite > large. stretched far into Poland. I read they acquired land by marrying > into the kingdoms and also war. Germany didn't become a country until after > the turn of the 18th century. Does anyone know the date? And the date that > Prussia started? And even now, they are divided by names like Hesse, ect, > which is sort of like our states or provinces and then farther divided > called a Kreis,or district, and then again into a town or hamlet. We can > all use history lessons when looking for our ancesters. I love this list. > marge > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "juliasgenes"<[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:49 PM > To:<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Place in Germany > > >> Hi, Lorri ~ >> Check JewishGen Communities Database at >> http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/Search.asp (you may have heard of it >> as "ShetelSeeker", the prior name that means the equivalent of "hometown". >> A Bergfeld search comes out as today's Barchfeld, Hessen-Nassau, Preußen. >> Since I know nothing about German geography (Prussia was near Germany, >> wasn't it? .^_^.), I'll leave you to follow the links from the search. And >> to any comments other Listees care to make. In addition to this list's >> webpage& forum, there's a Rootsweb list called Prussia-Roots that's very >> helpful with these kinds of questions, though I haven't been there in at >> least 1+ years. >> http://www.germanyroots.comhttp://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/DEU/PRUSSIA-ROOTS.html >> Good luck, Julia >> >> --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Lorri<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> ...the place he lived was BERGFELD would anyone have any Idea where this >> is?... >> Lorri >> >> >> >> >> >> For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: >> http://www.germanyroots.com >> >> Please visit and participate in our new forum >> http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

thanks Ursula - I'll try that spelling thru CAstle and Ancestry you are always a wealth of information - do you work for a geneology center? In a message dated 1/14/2010 9:16:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Paulette, the most common spelling of that surname is KREHBIEL, anything else is Americanized spelling. There are quite a few families listed by that name. Good luck with your search. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 8:47:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [G-P-L] (no subject) for years I have hit a brick wall trying to find my ancestor Christian Crabiel - I have all the info from when he was in America - his census say he was from Baden Germany, we always believed the Crabiel's came from Alyse Lorraine (when German controlled) Christian Crabiel - born 1832 came to US - we believe in 1852 (Milltown-New Brunswick area of NJ) can not find the ship or port he came into in the US - no luck on Castle maybe the last name was changed - the "C" in Crabiel seems more like a french spelling (he definitely spoke w/ a heavy German accent - we have proof of that also) an 1880 census for NJ shows the spelling as Krieble (that is the only time that spelling comes up) I've tried all different possiblities on Castle - does anyone have any other suggestions Paulette For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

for years I have hit a brick wall trying to find my ancestor Christian Crabiel - I have all the info from when he was in America - his census say he was from Baden Germany, we always believed the Crabiel's came from Alyse Lorraine (when German controlled) Christian Crabiel - born 1832 came to US - we believe in 1852 (Milltown-New Brunswick area of NJ) can not find the ship or port he came into in the US - no luck on Castle maybe the last name was changed - the "C" in Crabiel seems more like a french spelling (he definitely spoke w/ a heavy German accent - we have proof of that also) an 1880 census for NJ shows the spelling as Krieble (that is the only time that spelling comes up) I've tried all different possiblities on Castle - does anyone have any other suggestions Paulette

Hi Kay, The passenger list of the Loyal Judith 1742 " is probably found online in several places. The first places I like to look for Palatines {an umbrella term for pre- 19th Century German immigrants to the U.S. is www.palproject.org. This site contains a lot of historical information and research strategies for locating these early immigrants in Germany. There is also a link to various transcribed passenger lists, including "your" ship http://www.progenealogists.com/palproject/pa/1742ljud.htm Since Martiun Brandt is listed right above a person who is documented as coming from Friedelsheim in the Palatinate [Pfalz], you could begin your search by checking that town and the neighboring parishes for your ancestor. Another good resource is the Palatines to America Society . Their website is www.palam.org. Good luck! Baerbel " I'd like to jump in here about my ancester, Martin Brandt. He came from Germany in 1742. Is there a site where I might find his records that far back?? Any hope of finding the ship Manifest?? The ship was the Loyal Judity. " Thanks much, Kay -----Original Message----- From: Lorri <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2010 9:54 am Subject: Re: [G-P-L] castlegarden.org Thanks for the site, but when I go to the site, there is nothing to click on orri EIGER-Veach-Allen-Barnett-CARROLL GEARIN-KANE-SMITH-MOYLAN ONAHUE-BURNS-Fowler-Fahey HLE -MANTZ -PSCHYBYLSKI -GRIGOLEIT USCHMANN -MONTING-ODONNELL ---- Original Message ----- rom: "juliasgenes" <[email protected]> o: <[email protected]> ent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 00:14 ubject: Re: [G-P-L] chged to: LANGOHR If your Euorpean immigrants came to NYC prior to Ellis Island's opening, they probably came through Castle Garden. From their homepage: "CastleGarden.org is an educational project of The Battery Conservancy. This free site offers access to an extraordinary database of information on 12 million immigrants from 1820 through 1892, the year Ellis Island opened. Over 100 million Americans can trace their ancestors to this early immigration period." http://www.castlegarden.org/ .^_^. --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Lorri <[email protected]> wrote: what is the castle garden site? lorri For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message or all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum ttp://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.