Hi Bobbi, I feel the same way. My 5th gr. grandfather came to Pa. in 1742. Can you imagine how hard life was at that time. Story has it that there were Indians near their home frequently to the point that they built a house to stay in when the Indians were near. This house had 3 floors, allowing them to store food in the cellar where it was cool & go get it without going outside. It was called an Indian Safe house. The next generation were some of Ohio's first settlers so they carved their land & house out of wilderness. If they could only see how we live today!! Kay -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, Jan 19, 2010 10:15 am Subject: Re: [G-P-L] GPL Germany 1830-1850 Hi Dale, Reading what you wrote makes me even more in awe of my gr-gr-grandparents. ot only did they go to AU from Germany, they went back to Germany and then ater on to NY. y Gr-Gr-Grandmother even took a trip round trip from NY to Germany with her econd husband. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- rom: "Dale Gough" o: <[email protected]> ent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:23 AM ubject: Re: [G-P-L] GPL Germany 1830-1850; also reply to [email protected]; landing on terra firma in Australia - many vowing never to sail that distance gain, once again here are drawings, pen and ink and pencil, photos, lots of diary extracts, and xplanatory rawings of the ships equipment which I find very interesting and ever so more houghtful of heir guts and determination to get on one of those ships in the first place, et alone be on it or months at a time with bad food, weather and accommodations. So long for now, Dale Gough For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum ttp://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hi Dale, Reading what you wrote makes me even more in awe of my gr-gr-grandparents. Not only did they go to AU from Germany, they went back to Germany and then later on to NY. My Gr-Gr-Grandmother even took a trip round trip from NY to Germany with her second husband. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Gough" To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] GPL Germany 1830-1850; also reply to [email protected]; landing on terra firma in Australia - many vowing never to sail that distance again, once again there are drawings, pen and ink and pencil, photos, lots of diary extracts, and explanatory drawings of the ships equipment which I find very interesting and ever so more thoughtful of their guts and determination to get on one of those ships in the first place, let alone be on it for months at a time with bad food, weather and accommodations. So long for now, Dale Gough

Hi Listers, I have Germans on both sides of my family and they are difficult to find. All I have for census info is "Germany" or on my civil war grandfather I have his enlistment papers listing "Sachen". But, to the point, most good encyclopedias should have maps of Germany through the years. The one I used years ago had good little maps showing exactly what area made up Germany before the wars and after. It was very helpful. Sometimes we look so hard for genealogy info we forget the good old library. Maxine

The most notable event that occurred in the years between 1830 and 1850 was the peasant revolt of 1848/49, the failure of which caused many intellectuals to emigrate to the US. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1848_in_the_German_states Ursula ____________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Fuhrmeister" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 10:03:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Germany 1830-1850 I am also interested in books covering this area and time frame. My ancestor was born in 1832 in Rhoden, Halberstadt and came here in 1854. I ran across two books that are text books i believe, by Phillip G Dwyer one is called The Rise of Prussia, 1700-1830 and the second is called Modern Prussian History, 1830-1947. I was looking for maps of the the area at the time that I found them and they sound interesting. These books are a bit spendy but are on Amazon.com. hope that is a bit of a help. Kerry > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Germany 1830-1850 > > > Yea, that would be the time frame I am interested in as well. My ancestors came to the US in 1844. > Thank you,Rick > > --- On Mon, 1/18/10, BF <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: BF <[email protected]> > Subject: [G-P-L] Germany 1830-1850 > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 7:34 PM > > Do you know of any books that cover the period about 1830-1850 in Germany? > > Betty > FL > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am also interested in books covering this area and time frame. My ancestor was born in 1832 in Rhoden, Halberstadt and came here in 1854. I ran across two books that are text books i believe, by Phillip G Dwyer one is called The Rise of Prussia, 1700-1830 and the second is called Modern Prussian History, 1830-1947. I was looking for maps of the the area at the time that I found them and they sound interesting. These books are a bit spendy but are on Amazon.com. hope that is a bit of a help. Kerry > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:48:51 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Germany 1830-1850 > > > Yea, that would be the time frame I am interested in as well. My ancestors came to the US in 1844. > Thank you,Rick > > --- On Mon, 1/18/10, BF <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: BF <[email protected]> > Subject: [G-P-L] Germany 1830-1850 > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 7:34 PM > > Do you know of any books that cover the period about 1830-1850 in Germany? > > Betty > FL > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/

Yea, that would be the time frame I am interested in as well. My ancestors came to the US in 1844. Thank you,Rick --- On Mon, 1/18/10, BF <[email protected]> wrote: From: BF <[email protected]> Subject: [G-P-L] Germany 1830-1850 To: [email protected] Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 7:34 PM Do you know of any books that cover the period about 1830-1850 in Germany?   Betty FL For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do you know of any books that cover the period about 1830-1850 in Germany?   Betty FL

Kay, I changed the subject as 'Modern States' has nothing to do with the exodus of Germans to England in 1709 or the emigration of the Palatines to Pennsylvania between 1707 and 1740. The emigration of the Palatines to England in 1709 under the leadership of the Rev. Joshua from Kocherthal is explained in detail in the book titled "The German Exodus to England in 1709" and "The German Emigration to America, 1709-1740". Both books can be read online or downloaded as pdf files at http://www.archive.org/details/germanexodustoen07diff and http://www.archive.org/details/germanemigration08jaco The books will tell you why the Palatines emigrated first to England on the invitation by Queen Anne and how from there they were transported to the east coast of America where they subsequently became known as the 'Pennsylvania Dutch', although the term 'Dutch' in this case was the translation of 'Deutsch' [German] and nothing whatsoever to do with the Dutch in Holland. Ursula ___________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 12:03:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Modern German states I'm not sure but story has it that my ancestor, Martin Brandt was from the Stuggart area. KAY -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:03 pm Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Modern German states Hi Kay, What area of Germany are you talking about? Bobbi ---- Original Message ----- o: <[email protected]> ent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:29 PM ubject: Re: [G-P-L] Modern German states This is interesting. What was going on in Germany in 1720 - 1740??? Kay or all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum ttp://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message = For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ursula, Thank you so much. I''ll read those books soon. I always wondered about the Pa. Dutch. Now I know that includes my family also. Kay -----Original Message----- From: Ursula <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, Jan 17, 2010 6:36 pm Subject: Re: [G-P-L] German Emigration 1707-1740 ay, changed the subject as 'Modern States' has nothing to do with the exodus of ermans to England in 1709 or the emigration of the Palatines to Pennsylvania etween 1707 and 1740. The emigration of the Palatines to England in 1709 under the leadership of the ev. Joshua from Kocherthal is explained in detail in the book titled "The erman Exodus to England in 1709" and "The German Emigration to America, 709-1740". oth books can be read online or downloaded as pdf files at http://www.archive.org/details/germanexodustoen07diff nd ttp://www.archive.org/details/germanemigration08jaco The books will tell you why the Palatines emigrated first to England on the nvitation by Queen Anne and how from there they were transported to the east oast of America where they subsequently became known as the 'Pennsylvania utch', although the term 'Dutch' in this case was the translation of 'Deutsch' German] and nothing whatsoever to do with the Dutch in Holland. Ursula ___________________________________________________ here'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- rom: [email protected] o: [email protected] ent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 12:03:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern ubject: Re: [G-P-L] Modern German states 'm not sure but story has it that my ancestor, Martin Brandt was from the tuggart area. AY ----Original Message----- rom: Bobbi <[email protected]> o: [email protected] ent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:03 pm ubject: Re: [G-P-L] Modern German states i Kay, hat area of Germany are you talking about? obbi ---- Original Message ----- : <[email protected]> nt: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:29 PM bject: Re: [G-P-L] Modern German states This is interesting. What was going on in Germany in 1720 - 1740??? Kay or all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com lease visit and participate in our new forum tp://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message = For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum ttp://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum ttp://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message =

These books might be helpful. They, too, can be downloaded as PDFs: The Palatine, or, German immigration to New York and Pennsylvania :a paper read before the Wyoming Historical and Geological Society. Wilkes-Barré, Pa. : Cobb, Sanford H.Printed for The Society, 1897. http://pds.lib.harvard.edu/pds/view/4859935 The German sectarians of Pennsylvania :a critical and legendary history of the Ephrata Cloister and the Dunkers. Sachse, Julius Friedrich. Philadelphia : Printed for the author, 1899-1900.http://pds.lib.harvard.edu/pds/view/4563069 The early Germans of New Jersey :their history, churches, and genealogies. Chambers, Theodore Frelinghuysen. German Valley, N.J. : T.F. Chambers, 1895.http://pds.lib.harvard.edu/pds/view/3445917 --- On Mon, 1/18/10, Ursula <[email protected]> wrote: ...The emigration of the Palatines to England in 1709 under the leadership of the Rev. Joshua from Kocherthal is explained... Ursula

Hi Kay, In 1726 England hired Hessians, and the following year England paid Hesse an annual retainer of 125000 Pounds to be allowed first call on Hessian troops in any future emergency. Also, plague was a periodic problem from the mid-fourteenth Century on. You also had epidemics of typhus and other epidemic diseases. At times due to these diseases, village populations could drop almost 50%. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Modern German states > > I'm not sure but story has it that my ancestor, Martin Brandt was from the > Stuggart area. > KAY

Hi. I have a question. I have a Johann Friedrich Schwenk that came over to the U.S. on the ship President and took the Oath on Sept. 27, 1752 in Philadelphia Pa. The passenger list shows that the ship was from Rotterdam and England. I think that he started from Oberriexingem, Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany. My question is, would there be a ship list of all the passengers (wife and children) in either Germany, Rotterdam or England? If there is a list,, where could I get a copy of the list?. I am trying to find out who, in his family came with him. I thank you for any information that you can give me. Richard Swank

Thankyou, All the data I have is from IL census & tombstone dates.Otherwise family input is all I have to go on. Most of that is diluted by time & the passing of stories from one to another. I will keep plugging away at it. Karl came the closest so far. Phil ------- Original Message ------- >From : Bobbi[mailto:[email protected]] Sent : 1/16/2010 8:57:45 PM To : [email protected] Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [G-P-L] Luise C. Schmidt Hi Phil, You need to find the information here. Records are not centralized in Germany. Try looking at the manifest for other passengers. Many times people came over in groups. Perhaps, their location of origin may be mentioned. Do you have all the birth, baptismal, death and burial records for the whole family? You can try looking at the census records at their neighbors. If they came over together, they very well might have moved on together. You might also try looking to see if any of them showed up in the newspapers. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- > I have been searching for the family of Luise C. Schmidt who at age 14 > emmigrated to New Orleans about 1845 w/ her family. > I can track her from there to NY,WI & IL, after she married Johann > Heinrich Roell. > Her family & place of origin other than Hannover, ,are a blank. > What suggestions can you passon to me for further searching? > Thankyou, > Phil For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not sure but story has it that my ancestor, Martin Brandt was from the Stuggart area. KAY -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 10:03 pm Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Modern German states Hi Kay, What area of Germany are you talking about? Bobbi ---- Original Message ----- o: <[email protected]> ent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:29 PM ubject: Re: [G-P-L] Modern German states This is interesting. What was going on in Germany in 1720 - 1740??? Kay or all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum ttp://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message =

For some more background on Palatine migration, check out Hank Jones interview on http://www.rootstelevision.com/ where he discusses his Palatine research. He's the author of: * The Palatine Families of New York- 1710 (Winner, Donald Lines Jacobus Prize: Best       Genealogical Book of the Year) * More Palatine Families * Even More Palatine Families * The Palatine Families of Ireland --- On Thu, 1/14/10, Baerbel Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: ...Palatines {an umbrella term for pre- 19th Century German immigrants...

Hi Kay, What area of Germany are you talking about? Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Modern German states > > This is interesting. What was going on in Germany in 1720 - 1740??? > > Kay >

This is interesting. What was going on in Germany in 1720 - 1740??? Kay -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi <[email protected]> To: g[email protected] Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2010 10:04 pm Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Modern German states Hi Marge, Tribes are groups of people without "state" boundaries. Long ago Europe was ver run by tribes among them were the Alemani, Angles, Burgundians, ranks, Goths, Jutes, Lombards, Suevi, Visigoths, Vandals, and others. hey settled in different areas of Europe. Of the tribes that settled in he area that is Germany, although there were differences in language and ustoms, they were enough alike to be considered "Germanic." I hope this helps. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- rom: "HARRY MARJORIE DELLWO" o: "germany-passenger-lists" <[email protected]> ent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 3:52 PM ubject: Re: [G-P-L] Modern German states well, I think Bobbi answered it. Yes, I knew about the earlier rulers. I have another question. If Germany did not exist before 1871, why are they called Germanic peoples thanks again or all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum ttp://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hi Phil, You need to find the information here. Records are not centralized in Germany. Try looking at the manifest for other passengers. Many times people came over in groups. Perhaps, their location of origin may be mentioned. Do you have all the birth, baptismal, death and burial records for the whole family? You can try looking at the census records at their neighbors. If they came over together, they very well might have moved on together. You might also try looking to see if any of them showed up in the newspapers. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- > I have been searching for the family of Luise C. Schmidt who at age 14 > emmigrated to New Orleans about 1845 w/ her family. > I can track her from there to NY,WI & IL, after she married Johann > Heinrich Roell. > Her family & place of origin other than Hannover, ,are a blank. > What suggestions can you passon to me for further searching? > Thankyou, > Phil

Thank you for the additional info, Ilse. Susan Ilse Nusbaum wrote: > Susan, > > An online Latin-English dictionary says: > > hujas, hujates = from here, from this village; "here" or "in this place" in reference to the town/village/place that the records are being kept in; in generally means that the person was B or C in that parish/village, is "belonging" to that village [but could mean also that the person was living in the village at the date when the ge occurred]. In common Latin dictionaries the term is not to be found. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Susan Clark <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, January 16, 2010 1:37:30 PM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] hujatem and pludicam > > Baerbel, > > I gather that in this case "from here" only means that he was currently > living in the town, not that he had been born there. Is that correct? > > Susan > > > Baerbel Johnson wrote: > >> The word "hujatem" means "from here", or "here", and the other one should be "pudicam", which means "wise". A common phrase used for a maiden is "pudicam virginam" or "pudica virgine" which literally means "wise virgin". The groom is often referred to a "adolescents" - young man. >> Have a great weekend! >> >> Baerbel >> > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Baerbel, I gather that in this case "from here" only means that he was currently living in the town, not that he had been born there. Is that correct? Susan Baerbel Johnson wrote: > The word "hujatem" means "from here", or "here", and the other one should be "pudicam", which means "wise". A common phrase used for a maiden is "pudicam virginam" or "pudica virgine" which literally means "wise virgin". The groom is often referred to a "adolescents" - young man. > Have a great weekend! > > Baerbel