Ursula ~ The copy function isn't on the website - it's on your mouse by right-clicking and choosing "Copy Image" or similar wording. They've disabled that right-click function. There's always "screenshot", as you suggest ("Screenshot" is another name for the "PrtSc" button), but you didn't hear that from me. Besides, it would (probably, should I ever try it) take 6 shots per manifest page or more if I - theoretically - decided to magnify the screenview. Then each of the 6 images would have to be stitched together by PhotoShop, Irfanview, or some other program back into one image --- I think. That sounds like it could be very time-consuming......probably. You don't need to put a screenshot into a text document --- I've heard! --- just take the shot and open it into Irfanview, PS, whatever graphic program you use (the copy icon in the toolbar should be highlighted...I'm guessing), crop it the way you want it, adjust the color, resize, whatever, and save as a TIFF / GIFF / (JPEG - not the best choice, though) / whatever. At least, I IMAGINE that's what you could do... Copyright violations are potentially incurred from copying a proprietary browser's user interface, though MS and others rarely bring suit from what I've read. Also...maybe a case for theft of services by EI. There are consequences to everything, no free lunch, etc. .^_^. --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Ursula <[email protected]> wrote: ...Gosh, I never knew there was a 'print' button on the Ellis Island site... Ursula

Hello, Wolf ~ I'm not a TOTAL slacker; I transcribed a manifest within the past year that's on the website now. I attempted to do another, but I had a great deal of trouble: the frames very mostly out of focus, I couldn't decipher many of the German letters, and I had a really bad bronchitis to boot, so this one wasn't posted the last time I looked. I probably made too many errors. I read that you guys had run out of manifests to transcribe and at about the same time, my contact person left and I don't remember the new contact person getting in touch with me. So you're saying there are manifests that still remain to be transcribed? The US supply isn't depleted yet? Ursula sent only the page I requested - there are many more pages to that particular  manifest as the Weimar was a large steamer. If you DO need a transcription of that 22 Apr 1891 voyage of the Weimar and Ursula consents to send me the pages, I will be happy to attempt another transcription. Even though it was already transcribed by the "Germans To America" team, errors were made, as you've probably read, so an alternative version on the 'Net couldn't hurt at all. By the way, I can no longer download original images from the Ellis Island site with either Internet Explorer or Firefox. Apparently they want to sell them for $29 - $39 each, depending on size, and have disabled the "Copy Image" function, blast 'em! With Opera, I can't even SEE the images. Also, my local LDS Family History Center has been closed for quite some time while the church is remodeled and expanded. I drive past every month or two so to see if construction's done yet, but it's lagging. Yours, Julia --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Wolf Zscheile <[email protected]> wrote: ...You got quite a bit of help and received your manifest.. But this is only half of the story.. what about giving back something to all of us ??... Wolf

Thanks for the answers.  When I was searching the internet I came across an article from Berlin saying Germany wants to build a great pyramid to bury people, bigger than those in Egypt.  One of the links below said it would take 30 yrs to complete. http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/224733/Next_Great_Pyramid_made_in_Germany_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_pyramid_monument http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2007/09/the-great-pyram.html Betty FL What were the 19th century burial practices in Germany? I suppose they were buried in the church cemetery. Did they have long-lasting markers such as we have? My family lived in a small town, Herda, Thuringen and were poor. Any chance of finding a marker from 1850-1900 if such things existed? I read that some country had plots leased for 100 yrs, then they were reused but don't remember if that was Germany. Betty FL

I find it fascinating to learn how another culture thinks on such a basic subject as burial. Thanks for the observations and experience, all. When graves are recycled and skeletal remains are disinterred, are they cremated, placed in charnel houses, reburied in mass pits - in short, what becomes of them? Generally, are cremated remains (or as funeral directors in the US say, "cremains") interred in cemeteries, kept by family members, scattered in a cemetery, or scattered in places special to the deceased?  Or is there no general way of doing it? This would make an informative discussion topic at the forum, too, not just here. Though the forum has many German members who know all this stuff, those of us who are German-heritage challenged would like to know. Thanks, Julia --- On Thu, 1/21/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: ...they are all cremated and no stones on the large area. You just go to a record book and if gives you a map type location.

Hello Betty, your chances of finding any grave/tombstone prior to 1900 are practically zero, unless they were nobility. Your chances of finding any grave prior to 1960 [yes, 1960!] are slim unless the village had less than 100 inhabitants. Of course there are always exceptions; since Herda was once part of the GDR, there may be some markers left. My father died in 1964 in a village with a pop. 2,000 and his grave marker was removed 20 years ago. My mother, on the other hand, who died in 1985 in a village with a pop. of less than 100, her marker is still there, so are the markers of her parents who died in the 1940s. You must remember that they don't use concrete vaults in Germany, the deceased are not embalmed and are buried in wooden coffins so after 20-30 years there is virtually no remains left - other than bones -. Nowadays people are almost exclusively cremated and only their names and dates are etched into tall columns, along with other persons names who died at the same time period. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "BF" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:21:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [G-P-L] Burial practices What were the 19th century burial practices in Germany?  I suppose they were buried in the church cemetery.  Did they have long-lasting markers such as we have? My family lived in a small town, Herda, Thuringen and were poor.  Any chance of finding a marker from 1850-1900 if such things existed?  I read that some country had plots leased for 100 yrs, then they were reused but don't remember if that was Germany. Betty FL For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ursula has just said, "enough of this subject". I agree but have one more addition. My friends family are all buried in the large Hamburg Cemetery. HOWEVER, they are all cremated and no stones on the large area. You just go to a record book and if gives you a map type location. Also, you can not walk around on this section. Bill Fehlinger- New Jersey

I had forgotten that! We were at one very old Church and they used the old stones for walkways! Also the Churches were so old and cold. I was amazed that most had done no remodeling which was great. I could feel how my ancestors felt. It was really neat. Went to one Church and the Pastor let us hold an old chalice that was 800 years old. The pictures are awsome. This was all in the eastern portion of Germany were they had are really lagging behind. Our understanding the western half is not happy they are having to help update the country. Really kind of nice to see the "old" -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Jan 21, 2010 10:38 am Subject: [G-P-L] Burials While researching I have met with both types of practices. have seen Fehlinger graves with large stone work that are very old, and, have been to smaller burial spots where the stones have been emoved and stacked. Sometimes respectfully, sometimes just ike a pile of old stones. You can search sometimes for the family ames. Some churches try to be a bit more selective. In family type cemeteries, it appears that war veterans are treated ith greater respect. However, there is a large section in Germany's argest cemetery in Hamburg area, where thousands of veterans stone arkers are wearing away. ill Fehlinger _ New Jersey For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum ttp://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

While researching I have met with both types of practices. I have seen Fehlinger graves with large stone work that are very old, and, I have been to smaller burial spots where the stones have been removed and stacked. Sometimes respectfully, sometimes just like a pile of old stones. You can search sometimes for the family names. Some churches try to be a bit more selective. In family type cemeteries, it appears that war veterans are treated with greater respect. However, there is a large section in Germany's largest cemetery in Hamburg area, where thousands of veterans stone markers are wearing away. Bill Fehlinger _ New Jersey

Hi Julia, it's a good thing you had mentioned the name of Julius' travel companion Obarowski otherwise I would have had to search through 40 manifest pages because Ancestry had your Julius indexed under 'Julius Ernest'. Also, the name of the ship is WEIMAR [not Weimer] as in the city of Weimar. I sent the manifest to your inbox. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "juliasgenes" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:04:38 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [G-P-L] manifest image request Hello, Listees ~ I just realized that I don't have a passenger manifest for my GF. He's on the Castle Garden site, but when I went to NARA, NYC branch, I found out that he really landed in Baltimore, so they didn't have his manifest microfilm. I was told that it was on ancestry.com under the Baltimore manifests, but I remember not being able to find it, then forgetting about it when my membership ran out. I have a screenshot of the Castle Garden info and a photocopy of the index from "Germans to America". If possible, could someone find the manifest on ancestry & email me the image? * Julius EWERT - occupation: miner - left Bremen for Ohio - arrived in Baltimore on the Weimer on 22 Apr 1891. >From his placement on the GTA index, he's on the last page or so of the manifest. I don't know his relationship to the people listed just ahead of him - the Adam OBAROWSKI family - but by 1910, they were living in the house right between my GF and his brother, so there may be something there. It's family legend that he came over steerage with my GM's family. I'm hoping Adam is caught on the manifest image, too. Thank you so much for considering this, Julia For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My cousin died during the Cold War. When we were visiting over there, where he was buried and where his father and other relatives were buried, there was a blank spot. It was explained to us they paid for a certain period of time and if they did not continue to pay, the markers and bones were removed. So a blank spot. It was our understanding this is how they did it. There were some stones from 200 years ago, and we were never able to understand how they remained. A little language barrier. Judy -----Original Message----- From: Ursula <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Jan 21, 2010 7:59 am Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices Hello Betty, your chances of finding any grave/tombstone prior to 1900 are practically zero, nless they were nobility. Your chances of finding any grave prior to 1960 [yes, 1960!] are slim unless the illage had less than 100 inhabitants. f course there are always exceptions; since Herda was once part of the GDR, here may be some markers left. My father died in 1964 in a village with a pop. 2,000 and his grave marker was emoved 20 years ago. My mother, on the other hand, who died in 1985 in a village with a pop. of less han 100, her marker is still there, so are the markers of her parents who died n the 1940s. You must remember that they don't use concrete vaults in Germany, the deceased re not embalmed and are buried in wooden coffins so after 20-30 years there is irtually no remains left - other than bones -. Nowadays people are almost xclusively cremated and only their names and dates are etched into tall olumns, along with other persons names who died at the same time period. Ursula ____________________________________________________ here'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- rom: "BF" <[email protected]> o: [email protected] ent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:21:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern ubject: [G-P-L] Burial practices What were the 19th century burial practices in Germany? I suppose they were uried in the church cemetery. Did they have long-lasting markers such as we ave? My family lived in a small town, Herda, Thuringen and were poor. Any hance of finding a marker from 1850-1900 if such things existed? I read that some country had plots leased for 100 yrs, then they were reused but on't remember if that was Germany. Betty L For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum ttp://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message or all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum ttp://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

The leases run more for about 20-25 years. And the family is not allowed to lease the same plot again unless they have someone who died that they want to bury. ----- Original Message ----- From: "BF" To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:21 AM Subject: [G-P-L] Burial practices What were the 19th century burial practices in Germany? I suppose they were buried in the church cemetery. Did they have long-lasting markers such as we have? My family lived in a small town, Herda, Thuringen and were poor. Any chance of finding a marker from 1850-1900 if such things existed? I read that some country had plots leased for 100 yrs, then they were reused but don't remember if that was Germany. Betty FL

I think each town or administrative community has its own rules - just like city ordinances. If a cemetery is no longer in use, you may find older graves there. But in actively-used cemeteries grave-lease time is usually between 20 and 30 years. That goes for urn graves as well. You can renew the lease if you want, and that's more often done in the country where there are family members who actually visit the graves and take care of them regularly. The burial practices are different, too. Bodies are buried in wooden caskets and not embalmed the way it's done here, so they decay quickly. In the cities they bury people in sections as the deaths occur and then they recycle the graves after so many years, section by section. My father died in 1973 and his urn grave was gone about ten years ago. Baerbel NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

You called Adam Obarowski 'Julius' travel companion'. They are in order on the manifest, both parties were bound for Ohio, and in the 1910 Census, they lived next door to each other. I'm not exhibiting wishful thinking believing that they had a relationship beyond meeting aboard the ship, am I? Nothing beyond these hinted clues, though. Also, in addition to having the Weimar passengers added into the Castle Garden site when the ship actually landed in Baltimore, Adam's wife is in the search results as "Wilhelm - M", so that's another reason why I wanted to see the manifest, as I suspected it was a she (1910 census, wife = Wilhemina, a F).^_^. --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Ursula <[email protected]> wrote: ...Julius' travel companion Obarowski... Ursula

Thank my, Germanic angel. No wonder I had trouble trying to find that manifest previously. Whatta woman! Julia --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Ursula <[email protected]> wrote: ...Ancestry had your Julius indexed under 'Julius Ernest'... Ursula

I don't think that is true all over Germany. Wilfred ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbi" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices > The leases run more for about 20-25 years. And the family is not allowed > to > lease the same plot again unless they have someone who died that they want > to bury. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BF" > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:21 AM > Subject: [G-P-L] Burial practices > > > What were the 19th century burial practices in Germany? I suppose they > were > buried in the church cemetery. Did they have long-lasting markers such as > we > have? My family lived in a small town, Herda, Thuringen and were poor. Any > chance of finding a marker from 1850-1900 if such things existed? > > I read that some country had plots leased for 100 yrs, then they were > reused > but don't remember if that was Germany. > > Betty > FL > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What were the 19th century burial practices in Germany?  I suppose they were buried in the church cemetery.  Did they have long-lasting markers such as we have? My family lived in a small town, Herda, Thuringen and were poor.  Any chance of finding a marker from 1850-1900 if such things existed?  I read that some country had plots leased for 100 yrs, then they were reused but don't remember if that was Germany. Betty FL

Hello, Listees ~ I just realized that I don't have a passenger manifest for my GF. He's on the Castle Garden site, but when I went to NARA, NYC branch, I found out that he really landed in Baltimore, so they didn't have his manifest microfilm. I was told that it was on ancestry.com under the Baltimore manifests, but I remember not being able to find it, then forgetting about it when my membership ran out. I have a screenshot of the Castle Garden info and a photocopy of the index from "Germans to America". If possible, could someone find the manifest on ancestry & email me the image? * Julius EWERT - occupation: miner - left Bremen for Ohio - arrived in Baltimore on the Weimer on 22 Apr 1891. >From his placement on the GTA index, he's on the last page or so of the manifest. I don't know his relationship to the people listed just ahead of him - the Adam OBAROWSKI family - but by 1910, they were living in the house right between my GF and his brother, so there may be something there. It's family legend that he came over steerage with my GM's family. I'm hoping Adam is caught on the manifest image, too. Thank you so much for considering this, Julia

There are so many variables when it come to finding the "real" names of people & places. Although this article is specifically about a Lithuanian family, the principles are still exactly the same: "Seeing Your Family Tree through the Forest" http://www.newenglandancestors.org/research/services/56_seeing_tree_through_forest.asp With my Prussian immigrants, among the records of my grandmother & her 14 kids, I've come across 35 different surnames for her. Not only variations, but different names (Bard to Obarowsky) - there's not even a consensus. The woman has children that gave her name completely differently each time they married. When she died, my grandfather didn't know her name. And don't get me started about dates! I have aunts AND uncles whose birth dates varied by years on each of their marriage documents. Presumably their death dates are accurate, though. Yup, I come from a line of people with horrible short-term memories! .^_^. --- On Wed, 1/20/10, JB <[email protected]> wrote: ...I have a  copy of their marriage license.  Her maiden name on the license was spelled as I've indicated above.   I have come across various spellings of her name, such as: LaKowski; LaKosky...  Joan

Hello, I am searching for the ship/manifest that my ggrandmother immigrated on.  So far, I have not been able to locate any ship record or manifest.  I am hoping someone might be able to help or have some ideas. Her name at the time was Johanna Lakowke.  She immigrated either 1879 or 1881.  The 1900 census indicates 1881 and the 1920 census indicates 1879.  She married my ggrandfather, Albert Behrendt, Oct. 1881 in Chicago. I have a  copy of their marriage license.  Her maiden name on the license was spelled as I've indicated above.   I have come across various spellings of her name, such as: LaKowski; LaKosky.  Her fathers name was Marten.  She had a brother Carl or Karl and a sister Caroline.  I don't know if anyone else in her family came to America.   Johanna was born in 1863 in Lauenberg, Pommern, Germany. My ggrandfather came through the Port of Baltimore on the SS Berlin in 1872.  He also came from Pommern and believe they knew each other prior to coming to America.   I am thinking she may also came via Baltimore but so far I've not found any record.  It has crossed my mind she may have sailed under a different name if someone else paid her passage or with another family. Any assistance is appreciated.  Thank you in advance. Joan in Wisconsin

Hello, I am in Queensland in the baking hot heat today it is 38 C, and read a query re BOOKS re Germany History. I found a book at the public library called "the Long Nineteenth Century - a History of Germany 1780-1918" by David Blackbourn, Oxford University Press, 1998, ISBN 0195076729. I am reading this, only a hundred or so pages in, as I am interested in what happened to my relatives that made them want to leave and renounce their citizenship. But so far it is full of information, maps, reading info as well as tables and figures, as well as plates. I will probably only read up to my latest years of interest, 1858, but so far it is a worthwhile read. I also found another book, about emigration from (Germany to ) England to Australia called "The Long Farewell - Settlers under Sail" by Don Charlwood, publisher Allen Lane 1981, ISBN 0713914289. This book is more suited to my research, it is an excellent read as it covers all the things our "settlers under sail" had to endure before boarding the ships, from the advertising put out in the towns and villages to the final product - landing on terra firma in Australia - many vowing never to sail that distance again, once again there are drawings, pen and ink and pencil, photos, lots of diary extracts, and explanatory drawings of the ships equipment which I find very interesting and ever so more thoughtful of their guts and determination to get on one of those ships in the first place, let alone be on it for months at a time with bad food, weather and accommodations. So long for now, Dale Gough