Hello Listers, Could someone tell me how to get information from Koseger, Germany? My husband's family is from there. William SCHROEDER, born 1837, Pomerania, died 1902, Snover, MI, married Wilhelmina TIMM. They arrived here in 1890. Thank you so much. Sue Schroeder

Bill from nj. Do you have wobensmith in your tree. Comtact [email protected] On Thu Jan 21st, 2010 1:13 PM EST [email protected] wrote: >Ursula has just said, "enough of this subject". I agree but have one >more addition. > > My friends family are all buried in the large Hamburg Cemetery. >HOWEVER, they are all cremated and no stones on the large area. >You just go to a record book and if gives you a map type location. >Also, you can not walk around on this section. > > Bill Fehlinger- New Jersey > >For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > >Please visit and participate in our new forum >http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to track down a passenger list for my great grandparents who came to the US in 1874 - 1876 from Prussia.   The surname is SKOLASKY (also sometimes spelled SKOLASKI) ;first names are Joseph and Mary Bieschke and they had 2 of their children with them - Rose and Joseph   Any info or direction on where to search would be appreciated. I've tried all the usual sites and travel routes without success.   Thank you.

Yes, Ursula, there is a body farm at UT Knoxville, and now there is also one here at Western Carolina University in Cullowhee, NC. But they do use human bodies--maybe pigs, too (I don't know about that), but not JUST pigs. This is for training students in forensic science. Barbara At 07:50 PM 1/21/2010, you wrote: >Jim, I think what you are referring to is the 'body farm' in Tennessee >where they use pigs to determine the rate of decomposition for forensic >purposes. This can hardly been compared to the 'green burials' used in >Germany, where only the cremains - speak ashes - are buried near the base >of a tree. Ursula __________________________________

When we were at Gross Brutz, Mecklenburg Germany, the Cemetery was beautiful. It was Sunday and there were people raking, and watering flowers. The flowers were planted around the graves and then where you walked it was dirt, and they raked. Hated to walk around any of them. I don't think we did. Didn't have any way to cover our tracks. All the cemeteries no matter how old seemed to be in good shape. No weeds and everything cleared. Even with the old Tombstones stacked up. In a message dated 1/21/2010 11:29:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: We just returned from Germany/Switzerland, and we found it interesting that the cemeteries near the churches were so small, but so well cared for! And also that all the gravestones were so new, none older that the 1960's, and had photographic images of the person laid to rest in the tomb. And the cememtery in the small town we visited in Switzerland, Sattel, was full of Ulrich's!!! Barbara Ulrich [email protected] Menomonee Falls, WI ________________________________ From: Ursula <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 12:00:55 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices Wifred, as things of this nature are regulated by ordinances at the local level, it is possible that there are exceptions as I have noted in my previous post. However, in large cities, the up-time has recently been reduced to 10 years. Of course the lease can be renewed if the descendants so desire, however, in many cases there is no one left to care for the grave or the direct descendants have moved away and so it's easy to forego the renewal rather than paying several thousand Euro for a grave/marker that no one will visit or take care of. IMHO, when I consider some of the graves/markers I have seen in US cemeteries, I often think it would be better to remove them as most of them are broken, weathered, illegible, unkempt, vandalized, with trees growing through them. Especially the older ones. The only time Americans visit their loved ones in a cemetery is a short time after they have died and on Memorial Day. I spend a lot of time in cemeteries writing down dates for genealogical purposes and I hardly ever see a person visiting the grave of a loved one. There is an abandoned cemetery in my neighborhood that I have adopted and decorate in Spring, Fall and at Christmas time. In Germany everyone tries to outdo one another when it comes to the size of the marker, it has virtually become a status symbol. Enough said on this subject. Ursula ___________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilfred Kesner" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:29:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices I don't think that is true all over Germany. Wilfred ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbi" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices > The leases run more for about 20-25 years. And the family is not allowed > to > lease the same plot again unless they have someone who died that they want > to bury. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BF" > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:21 AM > Subject: [G-P-L] Burial practices > > > What were the 19th century burial practices in Germany? I suppose they > were > buried in the church cemetery. Did they have long-lasting markers such as > we > have? My family lived in a small town, Herda, Thuringen and were poor. Any > chance of finding a marker from 1850-1900 if such things existed? > > I read that some country had plots leased for 100 yrs, then they were > reused > but don't remember if that was Germany. > > Betty > FL > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http: //www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jim, I think what you are referring to is the 'body farm' in Tennessee where they use pigs to determine the rate of decomposition for forensic purposes. This can hardly been compared to the 'green burials' used in Germany, where only the cremains - speak ashes - are buried near the base of a tree. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hartman" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:19:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices OOOOOOOOOOOOOh this is the new way of getting "laid away" ! Put you out in a field or vacant lot and you do a Beethoven and "de-compose" ! Saw this on the History or the Discovery Channel.  They also have a crew that comes in and checks to see how long the body decomposes -- by age, weight, sex, etc. and put this together with the area where the body was "laid to rest."  They they take the statistics and use it for FORENSICS.  This way when they find a body somewhere they check the statistics on the body found and they know how long its been there.  Very interesting! Jim Hartman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:12:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices Hello All, seeing that this 'burial' topic isn't going away I might as well continue the subject by informing you of the latest trend in Germany, the 'Friedenswald', an eco-friendly way of burial. Several cities in Germany and also in the US [e.g. Michigan] have set aside wooded areas that allows for the cremains to be buried near a tree with a small tag/sign affixed to the tree for identification. To read more about it, here is the link to Michigan's green burials, the concept of which has been practized in Germany for many years: http://www.greenburials.org/ Ursula ____________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:42:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices I must say, this is quite interesting.  Thank you for  sharing!     In a message dated 1/21/2010 4:48:45 P.M. Central Standard Time,   [email protected] writes: Thanks  for the answers.  When I was searching the internet I came across an  article from Berlin saying Germany wants to build a great pyramid to bury  people, bigger than those in Egypt.  One of the links below said it would   take 30 yrs to  complete. http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/224733/Next_Great_Pyramid_made_in_Germ any_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_pyramid_monument http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2007/09/the-great-pyram.html Betty FL What  were the 19th century burial practices in Germany? I suppose they were   buried in the church cemetery. Did they have long-lasting markers such as   we have? My family lived in a small town, Herda, Thuringen and were poor.  Any chance of finding a marker from 1850-1900 if such things  existed? I read that some country had plots leased for 100 yrs, then  they were reused but don't remember if that was  Germany. Betty FL For all the latest News, please visit our  Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in  our new forum   http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to   [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe'  without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASS[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OOOOOOOOOOOOOh this is the new way of getting "laid away" ! Put you out in a field or vacant lot and you do a Beethoven and "de-compose" ! Saw this on the History or the Discovery Channel.  They also have a crew that comes in and checks to see how long the body decomposes -- by age, weight, sex, etc. and put this together with the area where the body was "laid to rest."  They they take the statistics and use it for FORENSICS.  This way when they find a body somewhere they check the statistics on the body found and they know how long its been there.  Very interesting! Jim Hartman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:12:13 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices Hello All, seeing that this 'burial' topic isn't going away I might as well continue the subject by informing you of the latest trend in Germany, the 'Friedenswald', an eco-friendly way of burial. Several cities in Germany and also in the US [e.g. Michigan] have set aside wooded areas that allows for the cremains to be buried near a tree with a small tag/sign affixed to the tree for identification. To read more about it, here is the link to Michigan's green burials, the concept of which has been practized in Germany for many years: http://www.greenburials.org/ Ursula ____________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:42:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices I must say, this is quite interesting.  Thank you for  sharing!     In a message dated 1/21/2010 4:48:45 P.M. Central Standard Time,   [email protected] writes: Thanks  for the answers.  When I was searching the internet I came across an  article from Berlin saying Germany wants to build a great pyramid to bury  people, bigger than those in Egypt.  One of the links below said it would   take 30 yrs to  complete. http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/224733/Next_Great_Pyramid_made_in_Germ any_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_pyramid_monument http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2007/09/the-great-pyram.html Betty FL What  were the 19th century burial practices in Germany? I suppose they were   buried in the church cemetery. Did they have long-lasting markers such as   we have? My family lived in a small town, Herda, Thuringen and were poor.  Any chance of finding a marker from 1850-1900 if such things  existed? I read that some country had plots leased for 100 yrs, then  they were reused but don't remember if that was  Germany. Betty FL For all the latest News, please visit our  Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in  our new forum   http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to   [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe'  without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All, seeing that this 'burial' topic isn't going away I might as well continue the subject by informing you of the latest trend in Germany, the 'Friedenswald', an eco-friendly way of burial. Several cities in Germany and also in the US [e.g. Michigan] have set aside wooded areas that allows for the cremains to be buried near a tree with a small tag/sign affixed to the tree for identification. To read more about it, here is the link to Michigan's green burials, the concept of which has been practized in Germany for many years: http://www.greenburials.org/ Ursula ____________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:42:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices I must say, this is quite interesting. Thank you for sharing! In a message dated 1/21/2010 4:48:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Thanks for the answers. When I was searching the internet I came across an article from Berlin saying Germany wants to build a great pyramid to bury people, bigger than those in Egypt. One of the links below said it would take 30 yrs to complete. http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/224733/Next_Great_Pyramid_made_in_Germ any_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_pyramid_monument http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2007/09/the-great-pyram.html Betty FL What were the 19th century burial practices in Germany? I suppose they were buried in the church cemetery. Did they have long-lasting markers such as we have? My family lived in a small town, Herda, Thuringen and were poor. Any chance of finding a marker from 1850-1900 if such things existed? I read that some country had plots leased for 100 yrs, then they were reused but don't remember if that was Germany. Betty FL For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Julia, Gosh, I never knew there was a 'print' button on the Ellis Island site. I have always copied the manifest images into a blank word document, by preparing the word document ahead of time [edit>office clipboard] and then just copy the page into it via CTRL+Print screen. Perhaps you can try that. Let me know if it works or doesn't work. Ursula ___________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "juliasgenes" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:50:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [G-P-L] manifest image request - Wolf Hello, Wolf ~ I'm not a TOTAL slacker; I transcribed a manifest within the past year that's on the website now. I attempted to do another, but I had a great deal of trouble: the frames very mostly out of focus, I couldn't decipher many of the German letters, and I had a really bad bronchitis to boot, so this one wasn't posted the last time I looked. I probably made too many errors. I read that you guys had run out of manifests to transcribe and at about the same time, my contact person left and I don't remember the new contact person getting in touch with me. So you're saying there are manifests that still remain to be transcribed? The US supply isn't depleted yet? Ursula sent only the page I requested - there are many more pages to that particular  manifest as the Weimar was a large steamer. If you DO need a transcription of that 22 Apr 1891 voyage of the Weimar and Ursula consents to send me the pages, I will be happy to attempt another transcription. Even though it was already transcribed by the "Germans To America" team, errors were made, as you've probably read, so an alternative version on the 'Net couldn't hurt at all. By the way, I can no longer download original images from the Ellis Island site with either Internet Explorer or Firefox. Apparently they want to sell them for $29 - $39 each, depending on size, and have disabled the "Copy Image" function, blast 'em! With Opera, I can't even SEE the images. Also, my local LDS Family History Center has been closed for quite some time while the church is remodeled and expanded. I drive past every month or two so to see if construction's done yet, but it's lagging. Yours, Julia --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Wolf Zscheile <[email protected]> wrote: ...You got quite a bit of help and received your manifest.. But this is only half of the story.. what about giving back something to all of us ??... Wolf For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I also have photographs from Grandfathers files that show Family Headstones dating to 1870 standing in a cemetery recently in the Village of Grafenberg Nuetingen Germany, so like stated practices very through the world and as a mater of personal choice if finances can supply. I think I would prefer the ashes be mixed with compost used to plant a new sapling and the family tree placed with it. Think how easy that would be for research we desire so dear and jet hard to find. I just upgraded his PC and finding all sorts of information not in all (3 foot stack) the paper trail. TG for technologies.. Starr Kat Turning stone for stone In a message dated 1/21/2010 9:10:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: well presented - probably ? In a message dated 1/21/2010 6:26:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Ursula ~ The copy function isn't on the website - it's on your mouse by right-clicking and choosing "Copy Image" or similar wording. They've disabled that right-click function. There's always "screenshot", as you suggest ("Screenshot" is another name for the "PrtSc" button), but you didn't hear that from me. Besides, it would (probably, should I ever try it) take 6 shots per manifest page or more if I - theoretically - decided to magnify the screenview. Then each of the 6 images would have to be stitched together by PhotoShop, Irfanview, or some other program back into one image --- I think. That sounds like it could be very time-consuming......probably. You don't need to put a screenshot into a text document --- I've heard! --- just take the shot and open it into Irfanview, PS, whatever graphic program you use (the copy icon in the toolbar should be highlighted...I'm guessing), crop it the way you want it, adjust the color, resize, whatever, and save as a TIFF / GIFF / (JPEG - not the best choice, though) / whatever. At least, I IMAGINE that's what you could do... Copyright violations are potentially incurred from copying a proprietary browser's user interface, though MS and others rarely bring suit from what I've read. Also...maybe a case for theft of services by EI. There are consequences to everything, no free lunch, etc. .^_^. --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Ursula <[email protected]> wrote: ...Gosh, I never knew there was a 'print' button on the Ellis Island site... Ursula For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

well presented - probably ? In a message dated 1/21/2010 6:26:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Ursula ~ The copy function isn't on the website - it's on your mouse by right-clicking and choosing "Copy Image" or similar wording. They've disabled that right-click function. There's always "screenshot", as you suggest ("Screenshot" is another name for the "PrtSc" button), but you didn't hear that from me. Besides, it would (probably, should I ever try it) take 6 shots per manifest page or more if I - theoretically - decided to magnify the screenview. Then each of the 6 images would have to be stitched together by PhotoShop, Irfanview, or some other program back into one image --- I think. That sounds like it could be very time-consuming......probably. You don't need to put a screenshot into a text document --- I've heard! --- just take the shot and open it into Irfanview, PS, whatever graphic program you use (the copy icon in the toolbar should be highlighted...I'm guessing), crop it the way you want it, adjust the color, resize, whatever, and save as a TIFF / GIFF / (JPEG - not the best choice, though) / whatever. At least, I IMAGINE that's what you could do... Copyright violations are potentially incurred from copying a proprietary browser's user interface, though MS and others rarely bring suit from what I've read. Also...maybe a case for theft of services by EI. There are consequences to everything, no free lunch, etc. .^_^. --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Ursula <[email protected]> wrote: ...Gosh, I never knew there was a 'print' button on the Ellis Island site... Ursula For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We just returned from Germany/Switzerland, and we found it interesting that the cemeteries near the churches were so small, but so well cared for! And also that all the gravestones were so new, none older that the 1960's, and had photographic images of the person laid to rest in the tomb. And the cememtery in the small town we visited in Switzerland, Sattel, was full of Ulrich's!!! Barbara Ulrich [email protected] Menomonee Falls, WI ________________________________ From: Ursula <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 12:00:55 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices Wifred, as things of this nature are regulated by ordinances at the local level, it is possible that there are exceptions as I have noted in my previous post. However, in large cities, the up-time has recently been reduced to 10 years. Of course the lease can be renewed if the descendants so desire, however, in many cases there is no one left to care for the grave or the direct descendants have moved away and so it's easy to forego the renewal rather than paying several thousand Euro for a grave/marker that no one will visit or take care of. IMHO, when I consider some of the graves/markers I have seen in US cemeteries, I often think it would be better to remove them as most of them are broken, weathered, illegible, unkempt, vandalized, with trees growing through them. Especially the older ones. The only time Americans visit their loved ones in a cemetery is a short time after they have died and on Memorial Day. I spend a lot of time in cemeteries writing down dates for genealogical purposes and I hardly ever see a person visiting the grave of a loved one. There is an abandoned cemetery in my neighborhood that I have adopted and decorate in Spring, Fall and at Christmas time. In Germany everyone tries to outdo one another when it comes to the size of the marker, it has virtually become a status symbol. Enough said on this subject. Ursula ___________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilfred Kesner" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:29:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices I don't think that is true all over Germany. Wilfred ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbi" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices > The leases run more for about 20-25 years. And the family is not allowed > to > lease the same plot again unless they have someone who died that they want > to bury. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BF" > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:21 AM > Subject: [G-P-L] Burial practices > > > What were the 19th century burial practices in Germany? I suppose they > were > buried in the church cemetery. Did they have long-lasting markers such as > we > have? My family lived in a small town, Herda, Thuringen and were poor. Any > chance of finding a marker from 1850-1900 if such things existed? > > I read that some country had plots leased for 100 yrs, then they were > reused > but don't remember if that was Germany. > > Betty > FL > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have thoroughly enjoyed all the discussion. Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: Ursula To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices Hello All, seeing that this 'burial' topic isn't going away I might as well continue the subject by informing you of the latest trend in Germany, the 'Friedenswald', an eco-friendly way of burial. Several cities in Germany and also in the US [e.g. Michigan] have set aside wooded areas that allows for the cremains to be buried near a tree with a small tag/sign affixed to the tree for identification. To read more about it, here is the link to Michigan's green burials, the concept of which has been practized in Germany for many years: http://www.greenburials.org/ Ursula ____________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 6:42:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices I must say, this is quite interesting. Thank you for sharing! In a message dated 1/21/2010 4:48:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Thanks for the answers. When I was searching the internet I came across an article from Berlin saying Germany wants to build a great pyramid to bury people, bigger than those in Egypt. One of the links below said it would take 30 yrs to complete. http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/224733/Next_Great_Pyramid_made_in_Germ any_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_pyramid_monument http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2007/09/the-great-pyram.html Betty FL What were the 19th century burial practices in Germany? I suppose they were buried in the church cemetery. Did they have long-lasting markers such as we have? My family lived in a small town, Herda, Thuringen and were poor. Any chance of finding a marker from 1850-1900 if such things existed? I read that some country had plots leased for 100 yrs, then they were reused but don't remember if that was Germany. Betty FL For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I must say, this is quite interesting. Thank you for sharing! In a message dated 1/21/2010 4:48:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Thanks for the answers. When I was searching the internet I came across an article from Berlin saying Germany wants to build a great pyramid to bury people, bigger than those in Egypt. One of the links below said it would take 30 yrs to complete. http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/224733/Next_Great_Pyramid_made_in_Germ any_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_pyramid_monument http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2007/09/the-great-pyram.html Betty FL What were the 19th century burial practices in Germany? I suppose they were buried in the church cemetery. Did they have long-lasting markers such as we have? My family lived in a small town, Herda, Thuringen and were poor. Any chance of finding a marker from 1850-1900 if such things existed? I read that some country had plots leased for 100 yrs, then they were reused but don't remember if that was Germany. Betty FL For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill, I'm sorry, this is not what I meant! I meant that this all I that I was going to say on the subject as we have discussed this topic before, in depth. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:13:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [G-P-L] One more burial story. Ursula has just said, "enough of this subject". I agree but have one more addition. My friends family are all buried in the large Hamburg Cemetery. HOWEVER, they are all cremated and no stones on the large area. You just go to a record book and if gives you a map type location. Also, you can not walk around on this section. Bill Fehlinger- New Jersey For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just wonder if it is the same all over, or varies with the Kreis. or diocese. I was in the Trier diocese if they are called that , in that area in 2001. In that area the leases were , yes, 20-25 yrs. and when finished, the family could take the stone or it could be recycled. The remains were buried in a communal area, not shown to us. As this was a country area in the Hunsruecks, with all the small towns and villages, all the Catholic churches had their regesters available. And the very old ones, were available at the town that was their diocese head. The cemetaries were all small next to the churches, and very ornate. Our cousin Volker, says they all try to outdo each other. votive lights, beautiful flowers and garden areas, statues, I loved it, but he is probably right that it is overdoing something when the money could be put to a better use. They are out there every day, tending their "gardens" That whole area is so well kept it almost makes you cry. The Lord only knows, we in America have our own hangups over our looks and possessions. Also, I think a great deal of the larger older churches are not really used for church, subsudised by the country, and more or less a historical artifact. But our cousins Marianne and Leo Dellwo, attend a chuch in Trier, only a few blocks away, and the church is quite active. So go figure. love cousin marge, a diluted German > Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:21:23 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices > > The leases run more for about 20-25 years. And the family is not allowed to > lease the same plot again unless they have someone who died that they want > to bury. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BF" > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:21 AM > Subject: [G-P-L] Burial practices > > > What were the 19th century burial practices in Germany? I suppose they were > buried in the church cemetery. Did they have long-lasting markers such as we > have? My family lived in a small town, Herda, Thuringen and were poor. Any > chance of finding a marker from 1850-1900 if such things existed? > > I read that some country had plots leased for 100 yrs, then they were reused > but don't remember if that was Germany. > > Betty > FL > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am sure that there are various laws regulating cremation and remains from the process. Years ago I was coming from Delaware to NJ on the ferry that crosses the BAY. We stopped half-way and it was announced over the PA system that a persons remains were being buried. This was my first experience. This bay flows into the Atlantic Ocean. I have a close friend whose husband, and his parents were cremated and their remains put into a waterway in upper NY State. It is in her will for the same thing for her. Bill Fehlinger - New Jersey

Wifred, as things of this nature are regulated by ordinances at the local level, it is possible that there are exceptions as I have noted in my previous post. However, in large cities, the up-time has recently been reduced to 10 years. Of course the lease can be renewed if the descendants so desire, however, in many cases there is no one left to care for the grave or the direct descendants have moved away and so it's easy to forego the renewal rather than paying several thousand Euro for a grave/marker that no one will visit or take care of. IMHO, when I consider some of the graves/markers I have seen in US cemeteries, I often think it would be better to remove them as most of them are broken, weathered, illegible, unkempt, vandalized, with trees growing through them. Especially the older ones. The only time Americans visit their loved ones in a cemetery is a short time after they have died and on Memorial Day. I spend a lot of time in cemeteries writing down dates for genealogical purposes and I hardly ever see a person visiting the grave of a loved one. There is an abandoned cemetery in my neighborhood that I have adopted and decorate in Spring, Fall and at Christmas time. In Germany everyone tries to outdo one another when it comes to the size of the marker, it has virtually become a status symbol. Enough said on this subject. Ursula ___________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilfred Kesner" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:29:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices I don't think that is true all over Germany. Wilfred ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbi" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Burial practices > The leases run more for about 20-25 years. And the family is not allowed > to > lease the same plot again unless they have someone who died that they want > to bury. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BF" > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:21 AM > Subject: [G-P-L] Burial practices > > > What were the 19th century burial practices in Germany? I suppose they > were > buried in the church cemetery. Did they have long-lasting markers such as > we > have? My family lived in a small town, Herda, Thuringen and were poor. Any > chance of finding a marker from 1850-1900 if such things existed? > > I read that some country had plots leased for 100 yrs, then they were > reused > but don't remember if that was Germany. > > Betty > FL > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Quite a discussion going on here, I think it is heart breaking to see graves decorated. How devastated those families must be by the loss of that wonderful person. I don't go to my fathers grave because he is not there, there might be a plaque with his name on it but he is not there. He was totally against cremation as well as organ donation. He had religious reasons for his beliefs. My father in law on the other hand was cremated and his ashes were scattered in the river close to where my husband and I live now. My husband was very close to his father who passed suddenly and we have a very heavy plaque that will be eventually placed. There is a memorial tree in a cemetery here in my city for my father in law, his mother and father and grandmother are buried there also. I don't think that there is a right way or a wrong way to deal with burial except to honor the persons wishes. It seems there are vast cultural differences which i find interesting. I like what is done in Mexico on November 1st the day of the dead. I think in the areas of the southern USA a funeral dirge is played on the way in to the cemetery for the burial and then jazz music is played on the way out. It is sad when grave markers are left to decay or when they are vandalized i don't think that vandalized or neglected head stones is purely an American problem. As was mentioned earlier if the descendants move away or die off there is no one left to care for the stones. I think genealogist are the ones who truly appreciate a well made headstone it can say so much. For example I have a woman who I had been researching diligently and found that she was committed to the San Antonio State Hospital in 1926. Texas state law prohibits anyone from accessing medical records (new privacy laws) there is a cemetery associated with this hospital but her nieces and nephews, I am assuming, had her buried in a different cemetery with a beautiful headstone. which is good because the hospital cemetery only gave patients numbered bricks which have been stacked in piles or log cabin style with no telling of who they belonged to. I have another who I believe has the wrong date of death on her headstone. Good discussion Kerry _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/

juliasgenes wrote: > Thank my, Germanic angel. No wonder I had trouble trying to find that manifest previously. Whatta woman! Julia > Yes, Julia, I agree with you 100% !! Ursula is a jewel and she seems to know just about everything.. You got quite a bit of help and received your manifest.. But this is only half of the story.. what about giving back something to all of us ?? It would be terrific if you would transcribe your manifest and then we could add it to our passenger lists: http://www.germanyroots.com/ships Thanks a lot for considering this and have a nice evening, Wolf > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Ursula <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Julia, > > it's a good thing you had mentioned the name of Julius' travel companion Obarowski otherwise I would have had to search through 40 manifest pages because Ancestry had your Julius indexed under 'Julius Ernest'. > Also, the name of the ship is WEIMAR [not Weimer] as in the city of Weimar. > > I sent the manifest to your inbox. > > Ursula