I am trying to translate the two words to the right of Neustadt for the two Weidemanns. Thanks for the help. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/n5VSky0yhldPRtS7SPUG-fY1rlcNoBL_DDM2iz9Ia00?feat=directlink Michael
I would suggest Holstein Abbreviated to Holstn Rregards Robert Adelaide Important: This communication is intended for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is confidential, commercially valuable or subject to legal or parliamentary privilege. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any review, re-transmission, disclosure, use or dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited by several Commonwealth Acts of Parliament. If you have received this communication and are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments. Research data online with theshiplist at this address http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/SAassistedindex.htm http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/SAgermanindex.htm --- On Sun, 13/2/11, Michael Swanson <michael@storkarhu.com> wrote: From: Michael Swanson <michael@storkarhu.com> Subject: [G-P-L] Help translating (from bark Apollo from Hamburg May 15 1866) To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Received: Sunday, 13 February, 2011, 4:05 PM I am trying to translate the two words to the right of Neustadt for the two Weidemanns. Thanks for the help. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/n5VSky0yhldPRtS7SPUG-fY1rlcNoBL_DDM2iz9Ia00?feat=directlink Michael For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Sorry last message cut off! Will re-enter it. Hi Wolf I think the option to allow our computers to accept "cookies" is a bad idea. As this would allow any website to do this. That opens you to a lot of tracking from them. You can't just pick & choose which site to accept cookies on. It is either all or nothing. Re-entering information is probably the best & safest way to go on this. Kind regards Diana Nowell On 12 February 2011 18:47, Wolf Zscheile <saxonyroots@charter.net> wrote: > Hello All, > > I hope you had a good start into the weekend and the temperatures > in your area are getting a bit more bearable.. Even here, in the "deep > South" > the nightly temperatures are " bone chilling".. :-( > > OK.. another topic.. ;-) > > I had a few inquiries about the "log in" into our databases. > http://www.germanyroots.com/Ancestors_Database/ > > Whenever you want to edit any data or add new data, you have > to re-enter all your personal details again, which could be quite a > nuisance.. > > Of course, as always, there are several solutions to this problem and > I would like your opinion on that.. > > The easiest way would be, that you allow your computer to accept "cookies". > Then, whenever you enter your email address ( and/ or maybe an additional > code number) your identity is being verified and you get access to the > database.. > > That is an easy way and I can't see anything wrong with it, however, some > computer users object to that and don't like anyone having access to their > computers (well.. that would be a dream.. as soon as you access the > internet > with your computer, a sick "mayhem" may have access to your computer > and enter anything he/she wants..) > > The other way would be, that you enter your email address. > The database is then being queried if you are already a member. > If this succeeds, you are presented with another page, where you have to > fill in a special code and on verification you will have access to the > database. > But, unfortunately this has to be done again and again when you want > to enter more data.. > > What are your opinions ?? Any other ideas ?? > > Have a nice weekend, > > Wolf > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Wolf I think the option to allow our computers to accept "cookies" is a bad idea. As this would allow any website to do this. That opens you to a lot of tracking from them. You can't just pick & choose which site to accept cookies on. It is either all or nothing. Re-entering information is probably the best & safest way to go on this. K On 12 February 2011 18:47, Wolf Zscheile <saxonyroots@charter.net> wrote: > Hello All, > > I hope you had a good start into the weekend and the temperatures > in your area are getting a bit more bearable.. Even here, in the "deep > South" > the nightly temperatures are " bone chilling".. :-( > > OK.. another topic.. ;-) > > I had a few inquiries about the "log in" into our databases. > http://www.germanyroots.com/Ancestors_Database/ > > Whenever you want to edit any data or add new data, you have > to re-enter all your personal details again, which could be quite a > nuisance.. > > Of course, as always, there are several solutions to this problem and > I would like your opinion on that.. > > The easiest way would be, that you allow your computer to accept "cookies". > Then, whenever you enter your email address ( and/ or maybe an additional > code number) your identity is being verified and you get access to the > database.. > > That is an easy way and I can't see anything wrong with it, however, some > computer users object to that and don't like anyone having access to their > computers (well.. that would be a dream.. as soon as you access the > internet > with your computer, a sick "mayhem" may have access to your computer > and enter anything he/she wants..) > > The other way would be, that you enter your email address. > The database is then being queried if you are already a member. > If this succeeds, you are presented with another page, where you have to > fill in a special code and on verification you will have access to the > database. > But, unfortunately this has to be done again and again when you want > to enter more data.. > > What are your opinions ?? Any other ideas ?? > > Have a nice weekend, > > Wolf > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Wolf I think the option to allow our computers to accept "cookies" is a bad idea. As this would allow any website to do this. That opens you to a lot of tracking from them & many other things. You can't just pick & choose which site to accept cookies on. It is either all or nothing. Re-entering information is probably the best & safest way to go on this. Kind regards Diana Nowell On 12 February 2011 18:47, Wolf Zscheile <saxonyroots@charter.net> wrote: > Hello All, > > I hope you had a good start into the weekend and the temperatures > in your area are getting a bit more bearable.. Even here, in the "deep > South" > the nightly temperatures are " bone chilling".. :-( > > OK.. another topic.. ;-) > > I had a few inquiries about the "log in" into our databases. > http://www.germanyroots.com/Ancestors_Database/ > > Whenever you want to edit any data or add new data, you have > to re-enter all your personal details again, which could be quite a > nuisance.. > > Of course, as always, there are several solutions to this problem and > I would like your opinion on that.. > > The easiest way would be, that you allow your computer to accept "cookies". > Then, whenever you enter your email address ( and/ or maybe an additional > code number) your identity is being verified and you get access to the > database.. > > That is an easy way and I can't see anything wrong with it, however, some > computer users object to that and don't like anyone having access to their > computers (well.. that would be a dream.. as soon as you access the > internet > with your computer, a sick "mayhem" may have access to your computer > and enter anything he/she wants..) > > The other way would be, that you enter your email address. > The database is then being queried if you are already a member. > If this succeeds, you are presented with another page, where you have to > fill in a special code and on verification you will have access to the > database. > But, unfortunately this has to be done again and again when you want > to enter more data.. > > What are your opinions ?? Any other ideas ?? > > Have a nice weekend, > > Wolf > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hello All, I hope you had a good start into the weekend and the temperatures in your area are getting a bit more bearable.. Even here, in the "deep South" the nightly temperatures are " bone chilling".. :-( OK.. another topic.. ;-) I had a few inquiries about the "log in" into our databases. http://www.germanyroots.com/Ancestors_Database/ Whenever you want to edit any data or add new data, you have to re-enter all your personal details again, which could be quite a nuisance.. Of course, as always, there are several solutions to this problem and I would like your opinion on that.. The easiest way would be, that you allow your computer to accept "cookies". Then, whenever you enter your email address ( and/ or maybe an additional code number) your identity is being verified and you get access to the database.. That is an easy way and I can't see anything wrong with it, however, some computer users object to that and don't like anyone having access to their computers (well.. that would be a dream.. as soon as you access the internet with your computer, a sick "mayhem" may have access to your computer and enter anything he/she wants..) The other way would be, that you enter your email address. The database is then being queried if you are already a member. If this succeeds, you are presented with another page, where you have to fill in a special code and on verification you will have access to the database. But, unfortunately this has to be done again and again when you want to enter more data.. What are your opinions ?? Any other ideas ?? Have a nice weekend, Wolf
All I know is that my wheelwright great grandfather from Hesse arrived in Galveston, ended up in Lavaca Co, Texas, and worked as a wheelwright until he got together enough money to buy land in that county, where he raised a large family. He continued to buy land, though not huge amounts, and farmed. I think he also raised cattle. He eventually built a large house, in which my dad and I were both born: he in 1906 and I in 1931. Unfortunately, the house is no longer there. Oh, by the way, so far as I know he knew no one here, but the child of an older couple who travelled with him eventually became his wife. Dolores Kinsey San Marcos, TX > Today's Topics: > > 1. (no subject) (Kerry Fuhrmeister) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 08:41:23 -0800 > From: Kerry Fuhrmeister <ruby71975@msn.com> > Subject: [G-P-L] (no subject) > To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU136-W1C85A955950B41EDCDFB8E4ED0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > Hello everyone, > > I wanted to know if anyone knows what a person would typically do > once they arrived to the United States? Specifically arriving in > Galveston, TX in the mid 1800's. I have sent this question to a > historical society in Galveston, TX and have not heard back. > > Were there rules in place about having a job and knowing a person > here already and speaking English? > > Just curious. > > Kerry > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS list administrator, send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS mailing list, send > an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 16 > ****************************************************** > >
Hello everyone, I wanted to know if anyone knows what a person would typically do once they arrived to the United States? Specifically arriving in Galveston, TX in the mid 1800's. I have sent this question to a historical society in Galveston, TX and have not heard back. Were there rules in place about having a job and knowing a person here already and speaking English? Just curious. Kerry
Thank you so much, Wolf. All my translations for Taucher were diver or immersion. I was trying to make it fit for burial, but couldn't find anything that made sense. I also didn't know how a school fit in. They were a family of blacksmiths and armor makers so a simple funeral would fit. It is amazing how each new family discovery just makes me want another. I am freezing in Wisconsin enjoying the longer days of sunshine and hope of an early spring. My best to all, Susan ________________________________ From: Wolf Zscheile <saxonyroots@charter.net> To: SAXONY_ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com; SAXONY-L@rootsweb.com; Germany-Passenger-Lists-L <Germany-Passenger-Lists-L@rootsweb.com>; Genealogy.net-users-en <genealogy.net-users-en@genealogy.net> Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 5:22:12 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] nach der Art der Schule zum Halben Taucher Hello, Susan, at first, the phrase " Schule zum Halben Taucher" didn't make much sense to me, but after some investigation, with the help of a few good Germans it seems to be alright.. You have to divide this sentence into two parts.. I think the words got twisted around a bit and the first part should mean "halbe Schule" see my article in our WIKI: http://wiki-en.genealogy.net/Halbe_Schule Then, the next part would be "Taucher", which is an area (forest) near Bautzen and even now, there is still the "Taucher" cemetery near Bautzen.. Does it make sense to you now ? If you have more questions, just keep asking.. We have a lot very smart helpers.. Have a nice evening, wherever you are, Wolf > Please tell me the meaning of the phrase "nach der Art der Schule zum Halben > Taucher", when placed after the burial date in the funeral records of St. Petri > church in Bautzen. I have 3 death records and they all have the phrase. It > doesn't make sense to me. > I have been able to go back 2 more generations in Bautzen. A 'very distant' > relative in Germany is helping. We are at least 8 generations apart, but he is > very helpful. > > Thank you, Susan > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello, Susan, at first, the phrase " Schule zum Halben Taucher" didn't make much sense to me, but after some investigation, with the help of a few good Germans it seems to be alright.. You have to divide this sentence into two parts.. I think the words got twisted around a bit and the first part should mean "halbe Schule" see my article in our WIKI: http://wiki-en.genealogy.net/Halbe_Schule Then, the next part would be "Taucher", which is an area (forest) near Bautzen and even now, there is still the "Taucher" cemetery near Bautzen.. Does it make sense to you now ? If you have more questions, just keep asking.. We have a lot very smart helpers.. Have a nice evening, wherever you are, Wolf > Please tell me the meaning of the phrase "nach der Art der Schule zum Halben > Taucher", when placed after the burial date in the funeral records of St. Petri > church in Bautzen. I have 3 death records and they all have the phrase. It > doesn't make sense to me. > I have been able to go back 2 more generations in Bautzen. A 'very distant' > relative in Germany is helping. We are at least 8 generations apart, but he is > very helpful. > > Thank you, Susan >
Hi, thank you for the welcome. My line is Frederick Schmidt from St. Wendel, North Prussia (or Schwendel) to MN, USA mid 1800's and Johann Bütefisch b. 1734. Nice to meet everyone. Connie
Dear list members, my name is Andreas Faust and Im living in germany (Billerbeck, Westfalia). My research focus on two different parts: the first part is the emigration of Focke Tholen Buss 1896 from Großefehn, East Frisia, Germany to East London, South Africa. Until now (since 12 years now) Im looking for the passenger list and today living descendence of Focke Tholen Buss. Several records like death notice and naturalization of Focke Tholen Buss Ive received but no further informations. Also the german churches (Pastor Lutz or Pastor Rohwer) couldnt help me in this topic. They and several other people told me something about his children, but thats it so far. In a separate email I could tell you the whole story, maybe in this list Ill find more answers. The second part is the emigration of the family of Anton Antons Stein 1889 from Großefehn to probably Illinois, US. Ive the dates of birth from him and his wife, but no children. From the US I could meet some years ago descendence of Anton Stein. It was a great meeting in Aurich, Germany. But also in this topic therere many open questions about their journey to the US. Therefore Ill also tell the whole story to find some more answers. Kind regards Andreas
In searching just his name from 'Gottlieb Mittelberger's journey to Pennsylvania in the year 1750...' that Jim mentioned I found many sites, including the book in different forms - I'm looking at Google's translation online. http://books.google.com/books?id=4KYlAAAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false Betty FL Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:41:50 EST From: Tambaymar@aol.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Died en route To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <56dab.45f9035d.3a784e5e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Please check out this article on Ancestry. I had read it several years ago. For the reasons mentioned in this article, I think that each passage resulted in numerous deaths, most of which went un-noted. Jim _http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/passage.htm_
The passenger manifests for the time period you are interested in, IF they still exist, can run the gamut from listing only male heads of family to listing all passengers. There was absolutely no standard set for manifests until well into the next century. I haven't looked at them except out of curiosity, so I hadn't thought about deaths in transit or recall if they were noted. The re-constructed Palatine manifests were made of info from many sources: http://www.progenealogists.com/palproject/ I'm not sure that you can call these voyages "a route" in the regularly scheduled, timetable sense. But captains probably came by known pathways in the sea when they could. When you say "asteriks", do you mean in transcriptions? Where did your ancestors sail to? --- On Sat, 1/29/11, Tambaymar@aol.com <Tambaymar@aol.com> wrote: [lots of questions]
Please check out this article on Ancestry. I had read it several years ago. For the reasons mentioned in this article, I think that each passage resulted in numerous deaths, most of which went un-noted. Jim _http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/passage.htm_ (http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/passage.htm) In a message dated 1/31/2011 11:41:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, emwiese1@comcast.net writes: I cannot add much to this, but I had one person in my database who died enroute to the USA. On the ship manifest, in a general information column, was the single word "Died". Nothing further was given. I have surmised that, being an infrequent event, the ship's captain, or whoever kept a log, added information according to the thought of the moment. To my knowledge, there was no special way of recording this information, and no particular record place where it was kept. If anyone has ever found a repository where "died enroute" information is stored, it would be of great interest to the members of any list. Eugene M. Wiese 838 Linlawn Drive Wabash, IN 46992-3903 emwiese1@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbi" <bobbidoll@optonline.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: 30 January, 2011 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Died en route > Hi Jim, > > I was waiting to see if anyone else would answer you. > > To the best of my knowledge: > > All passengers that are leaving are added to the manifest. If someone > does > not make it to the destination a notation should have been made. > > I know in Germany there were lists of people who emigrated. Hamburg's > still > exist. They date from 1850. Bremen's were destroyed at regular intervals > to ensure that they had enough "room" for all their records. They were > only > kept for three years. Later on they got smart and kept them. There is a > transcription available online for the records still in existence. They > can > be found at "Die Maus." For England, who knows? > > Unsure as to how the ships were flagged. > > All passengers are listed. Many times a relationship is not shown, but > ages > are. > > When there are asterisk there usually is a desciption as to what it means. > You may have to look at the end of the manifest to find it. > > If I am wrong I am sure someone will correct me. > > Bobbi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 29 January, 2011 10:09 AM > Subject: [G-P-L] Died en route > > >> I'm a newbie at finding the subtleties in the passengers lists. >> Would a man still be listed (with a notation) if he had died and been >> buried at sea? >> Are lists available anywhere for boarding manifests, as well as arrival >> manifests? Perhaps in England? >> Were most of the ships on the German-North American route in the >> mid-1700s >> English-flagged? >> In the available transcriptions, is there any consistency as to when a >> boy >> is listed? >> Would some Masters list all children and others list only those above >> 16? >> I note that, in some transcriptions, an asterisk accompanies some names, >> but not others. >> I find that the introductions are confusing and I didn't learn what the >> asterisks mean. >> >> I'm grateful for any help. >> We're happy to share family information. >> >> Researching Braun, Trobaugh, Lingenfelter, Hohl/Hull. >> >> Jim Patrick >> Tampa Florida > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I cannot add much to this, but I had one person in my database who died enroute to the USA. On the ship manifest, in a general information column, was the single word "Died". Nothing further was given. I have surmised that, being an infrequent event, the ship's captain, or whoever kept a log, added information according to the thought of the moment. To my knowledge, there was no special way of recording this information, and no particular record place where it was kept. If anyone has ever found a repository where "died enroute" information is stored, it would be of great interest to the members of any list. Eugene M. Wiese 838 Linlawn Drive Wabash, IN 46992-3903 emwiese1@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbi" <bobbidoll@optonline.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: 30 January, 2011 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Died en route > Hi Jim, > > I was waiting to see if anyone else would answer you. > > To the best of my knowledge: > > All passengers that are leaving are added to the manifest. If someone > does > not make it to the destination a notation should have been made. > > I know in Germany there were lists of people who emigrated. Hamburg's > still > exist. They date from 1850. Bremen's were destroyed at regular intervals > to ensure that they had enough "room" for all their records. They were > only > kept for three years. Later on they got smart and kept them. There is a > transcription available online for the records still in existence. They > can > be found at "Die Maus." For England, who knows? > > Unsure as to how the ships were flagged. > > All passengers are listed. Many times a relationship is not shown, but > ages > are. > > When there are asterisk there usually is a desciption as to what it means. > You may have to look at the end of the manifest to find it. > > If I am wrong I am sure someone will correct me. > > Bobbi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 29 January, 2011 10:09 AM > Subject: [G-P-L] Died en route > > >> I'm a newbie at finding the subtleties in the passengers lists. >> Would a man still be listed (with a notation) if he had died and been >> buried at sea? >> Are lists available anywhere for boarding manifests, as well as arrival >> manifests? Perhaps in England? >> Were most of the ships on the German-North American route in the >> mid-1700s >> English-flagged? >> In the available transcriptions, is there any consistency as to when a >> boy >> is listed? >> Would some Masters list all children and others list only those above >> 16? >> I note that, in some transcriptions, an asterisk accompanies some names, >> but not others. >> I find that the introductions are confusing and I didn't learn what the >> asterisks mean. >> >> I'm grateful for any help. >> We're happy to share family information. >> >> Researching Braun, Trobaugh, Lingenfelter, Hohl/Hull. >> >> Jim Patrick >> Tampa Florida > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Wolf, Thanks for asking. I haven't done too much lately as I slowed down to take a DNA test. Very interesting. I also have been in a lot of pain from my back. I have been trying to just keep up with my mailing lists. As soon as I am able I need to finish a database job that I volunteered for before getting back to research. I hope you and everyone else on the list has a good and fruitful year. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolf Zscheile" To: <SAXONY_ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>; <SAXONY-L@rootsweb.com>; "Germany-Passenger-Lists-L" <Germany-Passenger-Lists-L@rootsweb.com>; "Genealogy.net-users-en" <genealogy.net-users-en@genealogy.net> Sent: 29 January, 2011 9:59 AM Subject: [GEN-EN] How is your research going ??
Hi Jim, I was waiting to see if anyone else would answer you. To the best of my knowledge: All passengers that are leaving are added to the manifest. If someone does not make it to the destination a notation should have been made. I know in Germany there were lists of people who emigrated. Hamburg's still exist. They date from 1850. Bremen's were destroyed at regular intervals to ensure that they had enough "room" for all their records. They were only kept for three years. Later on they got smart and kept them. There is a transcription available online for the records still in existence. They can be found at "Die Maus." For England, who knows? Unsure as to how the ships were flagged. All passengers are listed. Many times a relationship is not shown, but ages are. When there are asterisk there usually is a desciption as to what it means. You may have to look at the end of the manifest to find it. If I am wrong I am sure someone will correct me. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 29 January, 2011 10:09 AM Subject: [G-P-L] Died en route > I'm a newbie at finding the subtleties in the passengers lists. > Would a man still be listed (with a notation) if he had died and been > buried at sea? > Are lists available anywhere for boarding manifests, as well as arrival > manifests? Perhaps in England? > Were most of the ships on the German-North American route in the mid-1700s > English-flagged? > In the available transcriptions, is there any consistency as to when a boy > is listed? > Would some Masters list all children and others list only those above 16? > I note that, in some transcriptions, an asterisk accompanies some names, > but not others. > I find that the introductions are confusing and I didn't learn what the > asterisks mean. > > I'm grateful for any help. > We're happy to share family information. > > Researching Braun, Trobaugh, Lingenfelter, Hohl/Hull. > > Jim Patrick > Tampa Florida
I'm a newbie at finding the subtleties in the passengers lists. Would a man still be listed (with a notation) if he had died and been buried at sea? Are lists available anywhere for boarding manifests, as well as arrival manifests? Perhaps in England? Were most of the ships on the German-North American route in the mid-1700s English-flagged? In the available transcriptions, is there any consistency as to when a boy is listed? Would some Masters list all children and others list only those above 16? I note that, in some transcriptions, an asterisk accompanies some names, but not others. I find that the introductions are confusing and I didn't learn what the asterisks mean. I'm grateful for any help. We're happy to share family information. Researching Braun, Trobaugh, Lingenfelter, Hohl/Hull. Jim Patrick Tampa Florida
Hello All, I hope you had a good start into the New year and are ready to continue with the search for your ancestors !! What is the present stage of your research ?? Are you making any progress ? Usually, you start with getting all possible information from your family members. Then you continue with the county, states etc. archives to get all the available info from your country.. When you have exhausted all these resources, you probably will try to find more info from passenger lists. Unfortunately, in most cases there is not much additional information available and very often you will just get the useless answer "Germany" or "Prussia" as the place of origin.. Now, to continue, it could be getting quite complicated and many will give up on that stage because of language and budget limitations.. But, we will NEVER give up and the internet can be a wonderful help for digging deeper into the German archives. Many of them are available on line, however they are a "nightmare" for foreigners to dig in.. We have started to add the emigrants from the Baden Wuerttemberg area of Germany to our database and so far we have over 3,000 emigrants to South America. Emigrants to Australia and North America will follow.. If you find your ancestors in our database: http://www.germanyroots.com/Ancestors_Database you can add your information with the "edit" mode.. You can also add the surnames you are researching to our database. Our database is visited by thousandths of people every month from all over the world and adding the surnames you are researching will increase your chance for breaking down another "brick-wall".. Happy hunting and have a good year with lots of successes, Wolf [Zscheile]