Sandie: Thank you for the reply! I always find it interesting that one note sparks a flurry of activity and then quiet again for a time. I would definitely be interested in the PDF versions of the Edwardsville OBITs and will contact you on your other email below. When I visited Highland/Edwardsville about 5 years ago to do some research, I ran across three BOLLMANN families in the Edwardsville area in late 1800s, but had only 2 days on site. I think they are likely related, but could never make a link with the limited data I got. What is your source for the OBITs? I am looking for the OBIT of a second wife Maria (HERMANN) BOLLMANN who married my Christian ~1895 and had a daughter Freida who married a LEU. Maria is found in the Census living on her own with a daughter and her other son in 1910, and living with the LEU family in Highland as mother-in-law in 1920/30 Census over 70/80 years old, so likely passed away in 1930s or early 40s. Do not know where she is buried either...rumor is with the LEU family. John Galle -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sandie Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 8:37 PM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: EXT :Re: [G-P-L] GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 28 Perhaps you have this but you might be interested. I am not of these families. I came across an obit for a Mrs. Christian Bollman in the Sheboygan Press (Wisconsin) on Jan. 24, 1941. Excerpt as follows: Mrs. Ernestina Bollmann, age 96, pioneer of Sheboygan County. She was born in Breslau, Silesia, Germany on Nov. 14, 1844 and came to America with her parents, Mr. and Mrs. August Zimbal in 1849. She married Christian Bollmann on Dec. 20, 1865. He passed away in 1906. I assume you have the obituary for Christian Bollmann from Illinois. The Edwardsville Intelligencer Dec. 17, 1908 Page 4 Christian Bollmann, Sr., for many years a resident of Highland, died at the hospital Saturday, aged 74 years. He was born in Germany and in 1852 came to America, settling at St. Jacob and later in Highland. In 1855 he was married to Miss Hannah Kaempff, who died in 1891. The union was blessed with nine children, of whom six are living. The funeral was held Monday afternoon at 2 o'clock. The Edwardsville Intelligencer Dec. 12, 1891 Mrs. Elizabeth Bollmann, age 80 years, 9 months and 10 days died at the home of her son, Herman. Born March 18 or 13, 1811 in Lineo, Province Westphalen, Prussia and came to this country in Nov. 1865 settling near this city. When about 20 years of age she married Wm Bollmann. They had 11 children, seven of whom are living. The Edwardsville Intelligencer Oct. 19, 1892 page 8 Mrs. C. Bollmann who has for several years suffered from dementation, Wednesday night took a dose of Rough on Rats.from the effects of which she died Thursday morning at about age 60. (more) This date of arrival is a few years prior to what you have listed below. If you would like this in a PDF format from the newspaper please contact me: marana@tds.net Sandie On 3/9/2011 2:00 AM, germany-passenger-lists-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. BOLLMAN(N) Researcher (Galle, John L (AMSEC)) > 2. Re: New to this list... (Linda Westrom) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:26:19 +0000 > From: "Galle, John L (AMSEC)"<John.Galle@ngc.com> > Subject: [G-P-L] BOLLMAN(N) Researcher > To: "germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com" > <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <08B0DFF5BF90C44EA5146CB4ADE7A7EC0A18EEC9@XMBVAG75.northgrum.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Linda: > > I am also working on a BOLLMAN(N) line, but have been stuck on it for 10 years now, unable to jump to Germany. My relative was: > > 1 - Christian D. BOLLMANN Sr. - b. March 20, 1834 in Thueringen, Saxony, Germany [or Weiher-Baden Germany or Bonn, or Prussia], and died December 12, 1908 in Highland, IL. (He is buried at the Highland Cemetery at row M1 number 17) - md Johanna KAEMPH [K?mpf] [LDS has name as Hannah Keamph] (b. September 11, 1832 in Zurich Switzerland - d. October 13, 1892 in Highland, IL) on March 03, 1860 in Highland, IL. > > He came over in July 1856 through Baltimore according to his request for citizenship, but lists the infamous "Prussia" as his origin on Census and other documents. The family lore has him born in numerous places. They settled in Highland Illinois living there until 1900s. My grandfather was in MN for a time as well, but settled in Appleton Wisc after living in Delta Ohio and marriage in Ohio. Have not found a passenger list. > > I have several partial lines of BOLLAMN(N)s but did not see a link to your data yet. Do you have any other information on your line in Germany that I might work back on looking for my Christian BOLLMANN? If so would like to compare notes. > > John Galle > > -----Original Message----- > From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Westrom > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 5:21 PM > To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: EXT :[G-P-L] New to this list... > > I have been searching for my great-grandparents' names on a passenger list. > Their names, as I have them, are Carl Frederick Gottlieb Bollman and his > wife Emelie (Amelia). Their children are Paul Herman Richard Bollman, Max > Carl Theodore Bollman, Anna Olga Franrieka Bollman, and Martha Maria > Elizabeth Bollman. Bollman was probably spelled with 2 n's. These 4 > children came with the family and 4 more children were born after they came > to the U.S. > > > > The story I have is that my grandfather, Paul, celebrated his 7th birthday > on the ship. Paul was born April 7, 1876 in Wallbruch, Dt. Krone, Prussia, > which would put their arrival at 1883. > > > > After they came, they lived with relatives in Brooklyn, so I started with > the assumption that they came to New York - Castle Garden. > > > > I have looked in many sources but have not found them and am now joking > that they either flew or swam to the United States. I have tried using > variations of the names since all of these have 2 middle names. > > > > The family eventually settled in Minnesota, which is where I live. Thank > you in advance for any suggestion you can give me. Linda Westrom > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:34:00 -0600 > From: Linda Westrom<linda996@q.com> > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] New to this list... > To:<germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<BLU0-SMTP143A30A9BC538EDE74469619CC90@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ursula, > This is the information I have: > Carl Frederick Gottlieb Bollman, born November 12, 1848 in Zamborst, > Pomerania > Emelie/Amelia Teske Bollman, born April 27, 1852 in District of Deutsch > Krone, Pomerania > Carl and Emelie were married February 24, 1875 in District of Deutsch > Krone. > Children: > Paul Herman Richard, born April 7, 1876 > Max Carl Theodore, born December 3, 1877 > Anna Olga Franrieka, born July 24, 1879 > Martha Maria Elizabeth, born November 24, 1881 > Carl was a wheelwright and worked in Brooklyn when they came. > They moved to Balaton, Lyon County, Minnesota in 1892. When they moved to > Balaton, they started farming. I have their lives in Minnesota documented > with census records, death records, and land records. > > The obituary for Carl states they arrived in the U.S. on April 12, 1883. > As I mentioned, I have looked at many websites, went through the Germans to > America series, checking different spellings of Bollmann, variations of > Carl's name, looking for a family of 6 people and can't find it. I also > feel as if it is right in front of me and I don't see it. > > Thank you for any suggestions you may have. Linda > > > -----Original Message----- > From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ursula > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 1:05 PM > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] New to this list... > > Hello Linda, > > Do you have the DOB for Carl Fred. Gottl. BOLLMAN[N] and his wife Emilie > [Amelia]? > Also do you have the DOBs of the children you have listed apart from Paul? > Furthermore, have you found the family on any census and if so, where in > Minnesota [county/town] did they settle? > > Ursula > ____________________________________________________ > There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Westrom"<linda996@q.com> > To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2011 5:20:47 PM > Subject: [G-P-L] New to this list... > > I have been searching for my great-grandparents' names on a passenger list. > Their names, as I have them, are Carl Frederick Gottlieb Bollman and his > wife Emelie(Amelia). Their children are Paul Herman Richard Bollman, Max > Carl Theodore Bollman, Anna Olga Franrieka Bollman, and Martha Maria > Elizabeth Bollman. Bollman was probably spelled with 2 n's. 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Hello Linda, I have not forgotten your Carl. In fact since you didn't reply as soon as I had anticipated, I located the family myself on the different censuses in MN. I also located Wallbruch / Deutsch Krone as I tried to figure out what possible route the family might have taken. I assume and hope that they came through Hamburg as this gives us some hope of finding them on a passenger list. I have checked the Hamburg departures for the year 1882 [it's a tedious process] as I found one Carl Bollmann, but without family. I will check 1883 and also 1881 as young Paul may have forgotten the exact year. I'm also curious about the two sons born in NY according to one of the censuses, which indicates that they spent quite a few years in NY. This throws cold water on my original assumption that they might have entered the country via Canada, especially since their destination was Minnesota. Of course it is possible that their plan to settle in Minnesota may have been forged while still living in NY. So while I don't have anything positive at this time, I'll keep checking the passenger lists I have mentioned. Best wishes, Ursula. -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Westrom Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 11:34 PM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] New to this list... Ursula, This is the information I have: Carl Frederick Gottlieb Bollman, born November 12, 1848 in Zamborst, Pomerania Emelie/Amelia Teske Bollman, born April 27, 1852 in District of Deutsch Krone, Pomerania Carl and Emelie were married February 24, 1875 in District of Deutsch Krone. Children: Paul Herman Richard, born April 7, 1876 Max Carl Theodore, born December 3, 1877 Anna Olga Franrieka, born July 24, 1879 Martha Maria Elizabeth, born November 24, 1881 Carl was a wheelwright and worked in Brooklyn when they came. They moved to Balaton, Lyon County, Minnesota in 1892. When they moved to Balaton, they started farming. I have their lives in Minnesota documented with census records, death records, and land records. The obituary for Carl states they arrived in the U.S. on April 12, 1883. As I mentioned, I have looked at many websites, went through the Germans to America series, checking different spellings of Bollmann, variations of Carl's name, looking for a family of 6 people and can't find it. I also feel as if it is right in front of me and I don't see it. Thank you for any suggestions you may have. Linda -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ursula Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 1:05 PM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] New to this list... Hello Linda, Do you have the DOB for Carl Fred. Gottl. BOLLMAN[N] and his wife Emilie [Amelia]? Also do you have the DOBs of the children you have listed apart from Paul? Furthermore, have you found the family on any census and if so, where in Minnesota [county/town] did they settle? Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Westrom" <linda996@q.com> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2011 5:20:47 PM Subject: [G-P-L] New to this list... I have been searching for my great-grandparents' names on a passenger list. Their names, as I have them, are Carl Frederick Gottlieb Bollman and his wife Emelie(Amelia). Their children are Paul Herman Richard Bollman, Max Carl Theodore Bollman, Anna Olga Franrieka Bollman, and Martha Maria Elizabeth Bollman. Bollman was probably spelled with 2 n's. These 4 children came with the family and 4 more children were born after they came to the U.S. For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello John, The Edwardsville Intelligencer is online and offers hours of reading pleasure. Here is the link: http://edwardsville.newspaperarchive.com/ I remember our Bollmann research from years gone by, in fact I still have some of our correspondence on one of my old PCs. Every time I come across the name BOLLMANN I think of you. On the 1900 census, Christian stated that he came in 1853! The 1857 reference on the naturalization application may have been the date when he first filed the Declaration of Intent. I also noticed a different Birth Year in the obit compared to what he stated on the 1900 census. With this many variables it is difficult to pin down the actual date of immigration, although there are not that many Christians/Christ./Christopher Bollmann/Ballmann/Bellmann with one 'n' or two that come even close to an immigration date prior to 1860. Nonetheless, I'll keep looking. Best wishes, Ursula. -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Galle, John L (AMSEC) Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:55 AM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] EXT :Re: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 28 Sandie: Thank you for the reply! I always find it interesting that one note sparks a flurry of activity and then quiet again for a time. I would definitely be interested in the PDF versions of the Edwardsville OBITs and will contact you on your other email below. When I visited Highland/Edwardsville about 5 years ago to do some research, I ran across three BOLLMANN families in the Edwardsville area in late 1800s, but had only 2 days on site. I think they are likely related, but could never make a link with the limited data I got. What is your source for the OBITs? I am looking for the OBIT of a second wife Maria (HERMANN) BOLLMANN who married my Christian ~1895 and had a daughter Freida who married a LEU. Maria is found in the Census living on her own with a daughter and her other son in 1910, and living with the LEU family in Highland as mother-in-law in 1920/30 Census over 70/80 years old, so likely passed away in 1930s or early 40s. Do not know where she is buried either...rumor is with the LEU family.

Vera: Thanks for the reply. To address your comments concerning my "Christian D. Bollmann": 1-2. I am aware of the divergence in the birth locations, but that is what I have from the existing family lore... I couldn't rule anything out, although I guess I can now rule out Weiher-baden as it is not in "Prussia". Maybe Bonn too? The definition of "Prussia" seemed to change some based on what source I was looking at. 3. I have seen some concentrations of BOLLMANs particularly Mecklenburg and Silesia...but does not fit Thueringen or Sachsen... There is rumor of Austrian interface, but nothing substantiated. I do not know of any siblings either, although there were two other BOLLMANNs that got their citizenship around the same time in the Highland area; could not establish a link... 4. He shows up in 1880 Census, 1900 Census, 1860 marriage license, and Ursula helped me find him under a different name (BATHMAN) in 1870 [Many thanks to Ursula!!]; all in Highland Illinois. I do not know why he is not in the 1860 Census... I have his Request for Citizenship (which is the earliest document listing Prussia, dated 1861) that I got from the Southern Illinois University (SIU) Library around 2008. I have not been able to find a source of German Census early enough to help find him in 1830s/40s/50s. 5. He listed Teamster and farmer as his occupation in what I have seen. In Highland Illinois, farmer was pretty consistent. 6. Religion, have no clue. Married by Justice of the Peace on 3 March 1860 in Highland Illinois. 7. I learned of the "July 1856-Baltimore Port of entry" data from his request for citizenship that I got from SIU around 2008. As a result, I downloaded all the Baltimore BOLLMAN(N) Arrival data 2 years ago and pulse the system once in a while as I know they are transcribing records every day. No joy so far. I appreciate the interest! Any assistance from anyone on the list would be appreciated as I have been stumped here since 1999. John Galle -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vera Nagel Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:29 PM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: EXT :Re: [G-P-L] BOLLMAN(N) Researcher John: Of course I am not Linda but wanted to add some things which may perhaps be worth to think about / consider regarding your challenge to find your "Christian D. Bollmann" in Germany. 1. providing a place of origin as "Thueringen, Saxony, Germany" is totally wrong (I feel really sorry to say so.) since both "Thueringen" as well as "Saxony" are/were independent states in Germany. So he might either be from "Thueringen" OR from "Saxony". 2. you said that always the "infamous "Prussia" as his origin on Census and other documents" appeared. That is indeed a huge area to search for him, but on the other hand it indicates at least that "Weiher-Baden Germany" can't be true since "Baden" was never part of "Prussia". 3. although the family name "Bollmann" is widely spread all over Germany there is at least "some trend" pointing to the northern parts of Germany - say "Prussia". 4. can you provide the exact years of the Censuses and/or the dates of those documents on which you find "Prussia"? If so, take the oldest one on which you find him mention this and then check the boundaries of Prussia at that time. This should at least help to narrow the area to search quite a bit. 5. What was the occupation of your relative? 6. What was the religious belief of your relative (Catholic OR Evangelical/Protestant/Lutheran)? 7. Did you already search all the Baltimore passenger lists (one-by-one and page-by-page) available on Ancestry for ships arriving in July 1856? I recently found the arrival of one of my ancestors that way since this given name was reduced to just one initial and his family name was indexed totally incorrect. Kind regards, Vera Nagel, Germany From: "Galle, John L (AMSEC)" < John.Galle@ngc.com> Subject: [G-P-L] BOLLMAN(N) Researcher Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:26:19 +0000 References: <BLU0-SMTP2129B66ACA8F60EB7C5ACB89CC50@phx.gbl> In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP2129B66ACA8F60EB7C5ACB89CC50@phx.gbl> Linda: I am also working on a BOLLMAN(N) line, but have been stuck on it for 10 years now, unable to jump to Germany. My relative was: 1 - Christian D. BOLLMANN Sr. - b. March 20, 1834 in Thueringen, Saxony, Germany [or Weiher-Baden Germany or Bonn, or Prussia], and died December 12, 1908 in Highland, IL. (He is buried at the Highland Cemetery at row M1 number 17) - md Johanna KAEMPH [Kämpf] [LDS has name as Hannah Keamph] (b. September 11, 1832 in Zurich Switzerland - d. October 13, 1892 in Highland, IL) on March 03, 1860 in Highland, IL. He came over in July 1856 through Baltimore according to his request for citizenship, but lists the infamous "Prussia" as his origin on Census and other documents. The family lore has him born in numerous places. They settled in Highland Illinois living there until 1900s. My grandfather was in MN for a time as well, but settled in Appleton Wisc after living in Delta Ohio and marriage in Ohio. Have not found a passenger list. I have several partial lines of BOLLAMN(N)s but did not see a link to your data yet. Do you have any other information on your line in Germany that I might work back on looking for my Christian BOLLMANN? If so would like to compare notes. John Galle For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you found any of your BOLLMANNs in the Saarland? My 8th gt.grandparents were Joachim and Katharina BOLLMANN, who lived there in the 17th century. Their daughter, Magadalena BOLLMANN, married Johannes GROß on 2 Feb 1653 in Ottweiler in the Saar. I found that info in the Lutheran Churchbook in Ottweiler. I don't know of any of my BOLLMANNs having come to America. Magadalena and Johannes' gt.gt.grandson, Jakob Daniel SCHERRER, came into Philadelphia in 1752. He ended up in North Carolina. Barbara Dooley At 11:26 AM 3/8/2011, you wrote: >Linda: > >I am also working on a BOLLMAN(N) line, but have been stuck on it for 10 >years now, unable to jump to Germany. My relative was: > >1 - Christian D. BOLLMANN Sr. - b. March 20, 1834 in Thueringen, Saxony, >Germany [or Weiher-Baden Germany or Bonn, or Prussia], and died December >12, 1908 in Highland, IL. (He is buried at the Highland Cemetery at row M1 >number 17) - md Johanna KAEMPH [Kämpf] [LDS has name as Hannah Keamph] (b. >September 11, 1832 in Zurich Switzerland - d. October 13, 1892 in >Highland, IL) on March 03, 1860 in Highland, IL. > >He came over in July 1856 through Baltimore according to his request for >citizenship, but lists the infamous "Prussia" as his origin on Census and >other documents. The family lore has him born in numerous places. They >settled in Highland Illinois living there until 1900s. My grandfather was >in MN for a time as well, but settled in Appleton Wisc after living in >Delta Ohio and marriage in Ohio. Have not found a passenger list. > >I have several partial lines of BOLLAMN(N)s but did not see a link to your >data yet. Do you have any other information on your line in Germany that >I might work back on looking for my Christian BOLLMANN? If so would like >to compare notes. > >John Galle > >-----Original Message----- >From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda >Westrom >Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 5:21 PM >To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: EXT :[G-P-L] New to this list... > >I have been searching for my great-grandparents' names on a passenger list. >Their names, as I have them, are Carl Frederick Gottlieb Bollman and his >wife Emelie (Amelia). Their children are Paul Herman Richard Bollman, Max >Carl Theodore Bollman, Anna Olga Franrieka Bollman, and Martha Maria >Elizabeth Bollman. Bollman was probably spelled with 2 n's. These 4 >children came with the family and 4 more children were born after they came >to the U.S. > > > >The story I have is that my grandfather, Paul, celebrated his 7th birthday >on the ship. Paul was born April 7, 1876 in Wallbruch, Dt. Krone, Prussia, >which would put their arrival at 1883. > > > >After they came, they lived with relatives in Brooklyn, so I started with >the assumption that they came to New York - Castle Garden. > > > >I have looked in many sources but have not found them and am now joking >that they either flew or swam to the United States. I have tried using >variations of the names since all of these have 2 middle names. > > > >The family eventually settled in Minnesota, which is where I live. Thank >you in advance for any suggestion you can give me. Linda Westrom > > >For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: >http://www.germanyroots.com > >Please visit and participate in our new forum >http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: >http://www.germanyroots.com > >Please visit and participate in our new forum >http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: ceandpat@hotmail.com To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Vera Nagel Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 11:19:16 -0600 I want to thank Vera Nagel for the work that she did for myself and my cousin. What she found for us  we did not have and it is so important to our family to have this information.  I would recommend her to anyone searching for their kin in Germany. Pattie Nagel Atchley and Sue Nagel Trover Thank you Vera Pattie    

Perhaps you have this but you might be interested. I am not of these families. I came across an obit for a Mrs. Christian Bollman in the Sheboygan Press (Wisconsin) on Jan. 24, 1941. Excerpt as follows: Mrs. Ernestina Bollmann, age 96, pioneer of Sheboygan County. She was born in Breslau, Silesia, Germany on Nov. 14, 1844 and came to America with her parents, Mr. and Mrs. August Zimbal in 1849. She married Christian Bollmann on Dec. 20, 1865. He passed away in 1906. I assume you have the obituary for Christian Bollmann from Illinois. The Edwardsville Intelligencer Dec. 17, 1908 Page 4 Christian Bollmann, Sr., for many years a resident of Highland, died at the hospital Saturday, aged 74 years. He was born in Germany and in 1852 came to America, settling at St. Jacob and later in Highland. In 1855 he was married to Miss Hannah Kaempff, who died in 1891. The union was blessed with nine children, of whom six are living. The funeral was held Monday afternoon at 2 o'clock. The Edwardsville Intelligencer Dec. 12, 1891 Mrs. Elizabeth Bollmann, age 80 years, 9 months and 10 days died at the home of her son, Herman. Born March 18 or 13, 1811 in Lineo, Province Westphalen, Prussia and came to this country in Nov. 1865 settling near this city. When about 20 years of age she married Wm Bollmann. They had 11 children, seven of whom are living. The Edwardsville Intelligencer Oct. 19, 1892 page 8 Mrs. C. Bollmann who has for several years suffered from dementation, Wednesday night took a dose of Rough on Rats.from the effects of which she died Thursday morning at about age 60. (more) This date of arrival is a few years prior to what you have listed below. If you would like this in a PDF format from the newspaper please contact me: marana@tds.net Sandie On 3/9/2011 2:00 AM, germany-passenger-lists-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. BOLLMAN(N) Researcher (Galle, John L (AMSEC)) > 2. Re: New to this list... (Linda Westrom) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:26:19 +0000 > From: "Galle, John L (AMSEC)"<John.Galle@ngc.com> > Subject: [G-P-L] BOLLMAN(N) Researcher > To: "germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com" > <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <08B0DFF5BF90C44EA5146CB4ADE7A7EC0A18EEC9@XMBVAG75.northgrum.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Linda: > > I am also working on a BOLLMAN(N) line, but have been stuck on it for 10 years now, unable to jump to Germany. My relative was: > > 1 - Christian D. BOLLMANN Sr. - b. March 20, 1834 in Thueringen, Saxony, Germany [or Weiher-Baden Germany or Bonn, or Prussia], and died December 12, 1908 in Highland, IL. (He is buried at the Highland Cemetery at row M1 number 17) - md Johanna KAEMPH [K?mpf] [LDS has name as Hannah Keamph] (b. September 11, 1832 in Zurich Switzerland - d. October 13, 1892 in Highland, IL) on March 03, 1860 in Highland, IL. > > He came over in July 1856 through Baltimore according to his request for citizenship, but lists the infamous "Prussia" as his origin on Census and other documents. The family lore has him born in numerous places. They settled in Highland Illinois living there until 1900s. My grandfather was in MN for a time as well, but settled in Appleton Wisc after living in Delta Ohio and marriage in Ohio. Have not found a passenger list. > > I have several partial lines of BOLLAMN(N)s but did not see a link to your data yet. Do you have any other information on your line in Germany that I might work back on looking for my Christian BOLLMANN? If so would like to compare notes. > > John Galle > > -----Original Message----- > From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Westrom > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 5:21 PM > To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: EXT :[G-P-L] New to this list... > > I have been searching for my great-grandparents' names on a passenger list. > Their names, as I have them, are Carl Frederick Gottlieb Bollman and his > wife Emelie (Amelia). Their children are Paul Herman Richard Bollman, Max > Carl Theodore Bollman, Anna Olga Franrieka Bollman, and Martha Maria > Elizabeth Bollman. Bollman was probably spelled with 2 n's. These 4 > children came with the family and 4 more children were born after they came > to the U.S. > > > > The story I have is that my grandfather, Paul, celebrated his 7th birthday > on the ship. Paul was born April 7, 1876 in Wallbruch, Dt. Krone, Prussia, > which would put their arrival at 1883. > > > > After they came, they lived with relatives in Brooklyn, so I started with > the assumption that they came to New York - Castle Garden. > > > > I have looked in many sources but have not found them and am now joking > that they either flew or swam to the United States. I have tried using > variations of the names since all of these have 2 middle names. > > > > The family eventually settled in Minnesota, which is where I live. Thank > you in advance for any suggestion you can give me. Linda Westrom > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:34:00 -0600 > From: Linda Westrom<linda996@q.com> > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] New to this list... > To:<germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<BLU0-SMTP143A30A9BC538EDE74469619CC90@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Ursula, > This is the information I have: > Carl Frederick Gottlieb Bollman, born November 12, 1848 in Zamborst, > Pomerania > Emelie/Amelia Teske Bollman, born April 27, 1852 in District of Deutsch > Krone, Pomerania > Carl and Emelie were married February 24, 1875 in District of Deutsch > Krone. > Children: > Paul Herman Richard, born April 7, 1876 > Max Carl Theodore, born December 3, 1877 > Anna Olga Franrieka, born July 24, 1879 > Martha Maria Elizabeth, born November 24, 1881 > Carl was a wheelwright and worked in Brooklyn when they came. > They moved to Balaton, Lyon County, Minnesota in 1892. When they moved to > Balaton, they started farming. I have their lives in Minnesota documented > with census records, death records, and land records. > > The obituary for Carl states they arrived in the U.S. on April 12, 1883. > As I mentioned, I have looked at many websites, went through the Germans to > America series, checking different spellings of Bollmann, variations of > Carl's name, looking for a family of 6 people and can't find it. I also > feel as if it is right in front of me and I don't see it. > > Thank you for any suggestions you may have. Linda > > > -----Original Message----- > From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ursula > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 1:05 PM > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] New to this list... > > Hello Linda, > > Do you have the DOB for Carl Fred. Gottl. BOLLMAN[N] and his wife Emilie > [Amelia]? > Also do you have the DOBs of the children you have listed apart from Paul? > Furthermore, have you found the family on any census and if so, where in > Minnesota [county/town] did they settle? > > Ursula > ____________________________________________________ > There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Westrom"<linda996@q.com> > To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2011 5:20:47 PM > Subject: [G-P-L] New to this list... > > I have been searching for my great-grandparents' names on a passenger list. > Their names, as I have them, are Carl Frederick Gottlieb Bollman and his > wife Emelie(Amelia). Their children are Paul Herman Richard Bollman, Max > Carl Theodore Bollman, Anna Olga Franrieka Bollman, and Martha Maria > Elizabeth Bollman. Bollman was probably spelled with 2 n's. These 4 > children came with the family and 4 more children were born after they came > to the U.S. > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS list administrator, send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS mailing list, send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 28 > ****************************************************** >

John: Of course I am not Linda but wanted to add some things which may perhaps be worth to think about / consider regarding your challenge to find your "Christian D. Bollmann" in Germany. 1. providing a place of origin as "Thueringen, Saxony, Germany" is totally wrong (I feel really sorry to say so.) since both "Thueringen" as well as "Saxony" are/were independent states in Germany. So he might either be from "Thueringen" OR from "Saxony". 2. you said that always the "infamous "Prussia" as his origin on Census and other documents" appeared. That is indeed a huge area to search for him, but on the other hand it indicates at least that "Weiher-Baden Germany" can't be true since "Baden" was never part of "Prussia". 3. although the family name "Bollmann" is widely spread all over Germany there is at least "some trend" pointing to the northern parts of Germany - say "Prussia". 4. can you provide the exact years of the Censuses and/or the dates of those documents on which you find "Prussia"? If so, take the oldest one on which you find him mention this and then check the boundaries of Prussia at that time. This should at least help to narrow the area to search quite a bit. 5. What was the occupation of your relative? 6. What was the religious belief of your relative (Catholic OR Evangelical/Protestant/Lutheran)? 7. Did you already search all the Baltimore passenger lists (one-by-one and page-by-page) available on Ancestry for ships arriving in July 1856? I recently found the arrival of one of my ancestors that way since this given name was reduced to just one initial and his family name was indexed totally incorrect. Kind regards, Vera Nagel, Germany From: "Galle, John L (AMSEC)" < John.Galle@ngc.com> Subject: [G-P-L] BOLLMAN(N) Researcher Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:26:19 +0000 References: <BLU0-SMTP2129B66ACA8F60EB7C5ACB89CC50@phx.gbl> In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP2129B66ACA8F60EB7C5ACB89CC50@phx.gbl> Linda: I am also working on a BOLLMAN(N) line, but have been stuck on it for 10 years now, unable to jump to Germany. My relative was: 1 - Christian D. BOLLMANN Sr. - b. March 20, 1834 in Thueringen, Saxony, Germany [or Weiher-Baden Germany or Bonn, or Prussia], and died December 12, 1908 in Highland, IL. (He is buried at the Highland Cemetery at row M1 number 17) - md Johanna KAEMPH [Kämpf] [LDS has name as Hannah Keamph] (b. September 11, 1832 in Zurich Switzerland - d. October 13, 1892 in Highland, IL) on March 03, 1860 in Highland, IL. He came over in July 1856 through Baltimore according to his request for citizenship, but lists the infamous "Prussia" as his origin on Census and other documents. The family lore has him born in numerous places. They settled in Highland Illinois living there until 1900s. My grandfather was in MN for a time as well, but settled in Appleton Wisc after living in Delta Ohio and marriage in Ohio. Have not found a passenger list. I have several partial lines of BOLLAMN(N)s but did not see a link to your data yet. Do you have any other information on your line in Germany that I might work back on looking for my Christian BOLLMANN? If so would like to compare notes. John Galle

Ursula, This is the information I have: Carl Frederick Gottlieb Bollman, born November 12, 1848 in Zamborst, Pomerania Emelie/Amelia Teske Bollman, born April 27, 1852 in District of Deutsch Krone, Pomerania Carl and Emelie were married February 24, 1875 in District of Deutsch Krone. Children: Paul Herman Richard, born April 7, 1876 Max Carl Theodore, born December 3, 1877 Anna Olga Franrieka, born July 24, 1879 Martha Maria Elizabeth, born November 24, 1881 Carl was a wheelwright and worked in Brooklyn when they came. They moved to Balaton, Lyon County, Minnesota in 1892. When they moved to Balaton, they started farming. I have their lives in Minnesota documented with census records, death records, and land records. The obituary for Carl states they arrived in the U.S. on April 12, 1883. As I mentioned, I have looked at many websites, went through the Germans to America series, checking different spellings of Bollmann, variations of Carl's name, looking for a family of 6 people and can't find it. I also feel as if it is right in front of me and I don't see it. Thank you for any suggestions you may have. Linda -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ursula Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 1:05 PM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] New to this list... Hello Linda, Do you have the DOB for Carl Fred. Gottl. BOLLMAN[N] and his wife Emilie [Amelia]? Also do you have the DOBs of the children you have listed apart from Paul? Furthermore, have you found the family on any census and if so, where in Minnesota [county/town] did they settle? Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Westrom" <linda996@q.com> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2011 5:20:47 PM Subject: [G-P-L] New to this list... I have been searching for my great-grandparents' names on a passenger list. Their names, as I have them, are Carl Frederick Gottlieb Bollman and his wife Emelie(Amelia). Their children are Paul Herman Richard Bollman, Max Carl Theodore Bollman, Anna Olga Franrieka Bollman, and Martha Maria Elizabeth Bollman. Bollman was probably spelled with 2 n's. These 4 children came with the family and 4 more children were born after they came to the U.S. For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda: I am also working on a BOLLMAN(N) line, but have been stuck on it for 10 years now, unable to jump to Germany. My relative was: 1 - Christian D. BOLLMANN Sr. - b. March 20, 1834 in Thueringen, Saxony, Germany [or Weiher-Baden Germany or Bonn, or Prussia], and died December 12, 1908 in Highland, IL. (He is buried at the Highland Cemetery at row M1 number 17) - md Johanna KAEMPH [Kämpf] [LDS has name as Hannah Keamph] (b. September 11, 1832 in Zurich Switzerland - d. October 13, 1892 in Highland, IL) on March 03, 1860 in Highland, IL. He came over in July 1856 through Baltimore according to his request for citizenship, but lists the infamous "Prussia" as his origin on Census and other documents. The family lore has him born in numerous places. They settled in Highland Illinois living there until 1900s. My grandfather was in MN for a time as well, but settled in Appleton Wisc after living in Delta Ohio and marriage in Ohio. Have not found a passenger list. I have several partial lines of BOLLAMN(N)s but did not see a link to your data yet. Do you have any other information on your line in Germany that I might work back on looking for my Christian BOLLMANN? If so would like to compare notes. John Galle -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Westrom Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 5:21 PM To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: EXT :[G-P-L] New to this list... I have been searching for my great-grandparents' names on a passenger list. Their names, as I have them, are Carl Frederick Gottlieb Bollman and his wife Emelie (Amelia). Their children are Paul Herman Richard Bollman, Max Carl Theodore Bollman, Anna Olga Franrieka Bollman, and Martha Maria Elizabeth Bollman. Bollman was probably spelled with 2 n's. These 4 children came with the family and 4 more children were born after they came to the U.S. The story I have is that my grandfather, Paul, celebrated his 7th birthday on the ship. Paul was born April 7, 1876 in Wallbruch, Dt. Krone, Prussia, which would put their arrival at 1883. After they came, they lived with relatives in Brooklyn, so I started with the assumption that they came to New York - Castle Garden. I have looked in many sources but have not found them and am now joking that they either flew or swam to the United States. I have tried using variations of the names since all of these have 2 middle names. The family eventually settled in Minnesota, which is where I live. Thank you in advance for any suggestion you can give me. Linda Westrom For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Linda, Do you have the DOB for Carl Fred. Gottl. BOLLMAN[N] and his wife Emilie [Amelia]? Also do you have the DOBs of the children you have listed apart from Paul? Furthermore, have you found the family on any census and if so, where in Minnesota [county/town] did they settle? Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Westrom" <linda996@q.com> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2011 5:20:47 PM Subject: [G-P-L] New to this list... I have been searching for my great-grandparents' names on a passenger list. Their names, as I have them, are Carl Frederick Gottlieb Bollman and his wife Emelie(Amelia). Their children are Paul Herman Richard Bollman, Max Carl Theodore Bollman, Anna Olga Franrieka Bollman, and Martha Maria Elizabeth Bollman. Bollman was probably spelled with 2 n's. These 4 children came with the family and 4 more children were born after they came to the U.S.

Hello Bettina, I forgot to mention that when you go to the Ellis Island site, the first page that comes up is in fact the second page [data is on line 4]. After you close that page, click on 'next page', which is actually the first page. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bettina" <bat@centurytel.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2011 8:40:29 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Karl Wilhelm Leopold Jaeger Thank you again for material and questions about Karl Jaeger. I will try to answer all here that I can. My mother died in 2009 and I am very sad that I didn't find Uncle Karl before she died. We have no relatives that

Hello Bettina, The search for your uncle Carl was easier than you had anticipated. Unfortunately, the customs officer 'overwrote' some of the text on the passenger ship list but the from the data you will see that this is unquestionably your uncle Carl. I found him under "Carl Jaeger" at the ellisisland.org site. Here is the information: Carl Jaeger, 25, single, student, non-immigrant alien, last permanent residence Frankfurt/Main; born in Graudenz, Germany. Parents name and address: Idor [possibly Isidor] Rothchild, Frankfurt/Main, Allee 23. Sailing from Cherbourg, France on 27 April 1910 on the ship "S.S. Teutonic" arriving in NY 5 May 1910. Destination: Aunt, Mrs. Doolittle.....place name illegible...New York; I can tell by the name that he and his parents were Jewish, but am wondering why he had a different surname. According to his immigration status he had come under a student visa but may have later decided to stay in the US. I hope this puts some closure on this part of the family. You will now need to check whether he was captured by the 1910 census in NY and the two censuses following. Best wishes, Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bettina" <bat@centurytel.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 5, 2011 8:40:29 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Karl Wilhelm Leopold Jaeger Thank you again for material and questions about Karl Jaeger. I will try to answer all here that I can. My mother died in 2009 and I am very sad that I didn't find Uncle Karl before she died. We have no relatives that I know of in Germany. She was possibly not remembering exactly when Uncle Karl came to the U.S. I assumed he used his first name because that is how she referred to him, so I am not sure about that. The family was living in Frankfurt, but he could have moved to another city, then boarded a boat to the U.S. He was born June 6, 1885. He had one brother, Wilhelm Karl Heinrich Jaeger (b 7/31/1887) and one sister, Charlotte Ottilie Katharine Jaeger (b 6/14/1889). Thank you, Bettina For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I want to respond to you with more answers, but having a 5 year old playing today, and waiting on him, I cant concentrate and do justice to you thanks for responding, I am excited to know you ________________________________ From: Bettina <bat@centurytel.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 7:40:29 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Karl Wilhelm Leopold Jaeger Thank you again for material and questions about Karl Jaeger. I will try to answer all here that I can. My mother died in 2009 and I am very sad that I didn't find Uncle Karl before she died. We have no relatives that I know of in Germany. She was possibly not remembering exactly when Uncle Karl came to the U.S. I assumed he used his first name because that is how she referred to him, so I am not sure about that. The family was living in Frankfurt, but he could have moved to another city, then boarded a boat to the U.S. He was born June 6, 1885. He had one brother, Wilhelm Karl Heinrich Jaeger (b 7/31/1887) and one sister, Charlotte Ottilie Katharine Jaeger (b 6/14/1889). Thank you, Bettina For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you again for material and questions about Karl Jaeger. I will try to answer all here that I can. My mother died in 2009 and I am very sad that I didn't find Uncle Karl before she died. We have no relatives that I know of in Germany. She was possibly not remembering exactly when Uncle Karl came to the U.S. I assumed he used his first name because that is how she referred to him, so I am not sure about that. The family was living in Frankfurt, but he could have moved to another city, then boarded a boat to the U.S. He was born June 6, 1885. He had one brother, Wilhelm Karl Heinrich Jaeger (b 7/31/1887) and one sister, Charlotte Ottilie Katharine Jaeger (b 6/14/1889). Thank you, Bettina

Hi Linda, it might sound "stupid" and I am working against myself, since our transcribers are busy working in the background transcribing passenger lists.. But, in my opinion, there is not too much to gain with the passenger lists.. In most cases they just give you the age of the passengers and that they came from "Germany".. what does this help you ?? Very seldom you get the actual place where the came from.. Well, you are ALL on the wrong track... :-( Once you have exhausted all sources in your home country, you should go right to the place in Germany, where your ancestors came from.. I know there is a lot of work involved, but as they say in Germany : "Ohne Fleiß, kein Preis".. If you go to: http://meta.genealogy.net/ and enter the surname of "Bollmann", you will get a lot of hits.. Sure, it will be a lot of work to comb them all through, but your chances to find a researcher with similar interests is a lot higher than just relying on the passenger lists.. Good luck and let us know how you are making out.. Have a nice weekend, Wolf On 3/5/2011 4:20 PM, Linda Westrom wrote: > I have been searching for my great-grandparents' names on a passenger list. > Their names, as I have them, are Carl Frederick Gottlieb Bollman and his > wife Emelie(Amelia). Their children are Paul Herman Richard Bollman, Max > Carl Theodore Bollman, Anna Olga Franrieka Bollman, and Martha Maria > Elizabeth Bollman. Bollman was probably spelled with 2 n's. These 4 > children came with the family and 4 more children were born after they came > to the U.S. > > > > The story I have is that my grandfather, Paul, celebrated his 7th birthday > on the ship. Paul was born April 7, 1876 in Wallbruch, Dt. Krone, Prussia, > which would put their arrival at 1883. > > > > After they came, they lived with relatives in Brooklyn, so I started with > the assumption that they came to New York - Castle Garden. > > > > I have looked in many sources but have not found them and am now joking > that they either flew or swam to the United States. I have tried using > variations of the names since all of these have 2 middle names. > > > > The family eventually settled in Minnesota, which is where I live. Thank > you in advance for any suggestion you can give me. Linda Westrom >

Try the search engines at http://www.stevemorse.org I looked for my gr-grandparents for close to 20 years before finding them with the help of Steve Morse. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Westrom" To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 05 March, 2011 5:20 PM Subject: [G-P-L] New to this list... >I have been searching for my great-grandparents' names on a passenger list. > > The family eventually settled in Minnesota, which is where I live. Thank > you in advance for any suggestion you can give me. Linda Westrom

Hi Linda, My grandparents also came from Deutsch Krone but in 1891. They left from Hamburg, which was not far from where they lived, and traveled to Canada, landing in Montreal, and taking a train through Detroit to the USA. I had all kinds of trouble finding this out, until I got copies of their naturalization papers, where I learned the name of the ship, the date, and their route to the USA. Perhaps you can find copies of your great-grandparents naturalization papers and thus find out the information that you need. When searching in Germany, remember that Deutsch Krone was both a Kreis (county) and a Stadt (city). The county is now called Pilskie and is part of Poland. I wish I could be of more help. Eugene M. Wiese 838 Linlawn Drive Wabash, IN 46992-3903 emwiese1@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Westrom" <linda996@q.com> To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 05 March, 2011 5:20 PM Subject: [G-P-L] New to this list... >I have been searching for my great-grandparents' names on a passenger list. > Their names, as I have them, are Carl Frederick Gottlieb Bollman and his > wife Emelie(Amelia). Their children are Paul Herman Richard Bollman, Max > Carl Theodore Bollman, Anna Olga Franrieka Bollman, and Martha Maria > Elizabeth Bollman. Bollman was probably spelled with 2 n's. These 4 > children came with the family and 4 more children were born after they > came > to the U.S. > > > > The story I have is that my grandfather, Paul, celebrated his 7th birthday > on the ship. Paul was born April 7, 1876 in Wallbruch, Dt. Krone, > Prussia, > which would put their arrival at 1883. > > > > After they came, they lived with relatives in Brooklyn, so I started with > the assumption that they came to New York - Castle Garden. > > > > I have looked in many sources but have not found them and am now joking > that they either flew or swam to the United States. I have tried using > variations of the names since all of these have 2 middle names. > > > > The family eventually settled in Minnesota, which is where I live. Thank > you in advance for any suggestion you can give me. Linda Westrom > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been searching for my great-grandparents' names on a passenger list. Their names, as I have them, are Carl Frederick Gottlieb Bollman and his wife Emelie(Amelia). Their children are Paul Herman Richard Bollman, Max Carl Theodore Bollman, Anna Olga Franrieka Bollman, and Martha Maria Elizabeth Bollman. Bollman was probably spelled with 2 n's. These 4 children came with the family and 4 more children were born after they came to the U.S. The story I have is that my grandfather, Paul, celebrated his 7th birthday on the ship. Paul was born April 7, 1876 in Wallbruch, Dt. Krone, Prussia, which would put their arrival at 1883. After they came, they lived with relatives in Brooklyn, so I started with the assumption that they came to New York - Castle Garden. I have looked in many sources but have not found them and am now joking that they either flew or swam to the United States. I have tried using variations of the names since all of these have 2 middle names. The family eventually settled in Minnesota, which is where I live. Thank you in advance for any suggestion you can give me. Linda Westrom

Hello Bettina, Your problem in not finding your Karl Wm Leop JAEGER on a census or passenger list does not lie with his surname but rather with his first name[s]. You cannot assume that in everyday life he went by three first names! So the first thing you need to do is to ask your mother by which name he was commonly known. Next you will need to know at least the month in which he was born in order to eliminate any other persons by that name born in the same year. Unless his parents immigrated as well, there is little help from knowing the names of his parents. Also, there was/is no such town in Meyer's Gazetteer of the German Empire called "Katlowitz". I assume he came from Kattowitz in Silesia. The Gazettier is a most important resource for locating places in the German Empire before their names were changed into Polish or Russian. The other thing that has me scratching my head is that you say that he came between 1918 and 1922. He would have been 33 to 37 years of age. This would have been immediately after WWI! Had he indeed tried to avoid being drafted into WWI, he most likely would have emigrated long before 1918. So there is something not quite right with this scenario. Does your mother have any relatives left in Germany from which to ascertain more information? You will need to do more digging for your search to be successful. Best wishes, Ursula. ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bettina" <bat@centurytel.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 4, 2011 10:01:24 AM Subject: [G-P-L] Karl Wilhelm Leopold Jaeger This is wonderful information, thank you. It gives me another reason so look again for my Uncle Karl. When I get a chance I will do it or if someone out there is will you can try and let me know. Here's what I know about him. Karl Wilhelm Leopold Jaeger was born 1885 in Katlowitz. Came to New York about 1918-1922, likely from any of the ports of Bremen, Bremerhaven or Hamburg. Lived in Frankfurt. Parents were Karl Leopold Jaeger and Ottilie Pauline Borchardt. All my mother knew was that he left for the U.S. (NY). She suspected that he did not want to serve in the military and was either ashamed or ostracized. He was in NY at some point as a friend of the family sent his mother a picture - she saw him at the Salvation Army. I contacted the Salvation Army and they could not help. I've looked through the U.S. census info, but Jaeger is a fairly common name. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you again for posting this new database. Bettina ----- Original Message ----- From: <germany-passenger-lists-request@rootsweb.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 1:00 AM Subject: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 23 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. neue Datenbank / new database (karl wesling) > 2. Re: neue Datenbank / new database (Chas7116@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 13:51:45 +0100 > From: karl wesling <kwesling@gmx.de> > Subject: [G-P-L] neue Datenbank / new database > To: Maus-L <maus-l@genealogy.net>, Compgend-L > <compgend-l@genealogy.net>, k.quirin@dah-bremerhaven.de, Wolf Zscheile > <saxonyroots@charter.net>, German IAP <deutsch.iap@gmail.com>, > germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4D6F8EE1.40009@gmx.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed > > the english version at the end of this message > > Unsere Datenbanken zum Thema Auswanderung sind ein Gemeinschaftsprojekt > der Maus, Gesellschaft f?r Familienforschung Bremen, der Handelskammer > Bremen, des Staatsarchivs Bremen und des Vereins f?r Computergenealogie. > > Wir haben den Bestand um die Datenbank "Abfahrtsdaten von > Auswandererschiffen" von Bremen/Bremerhaven erweitert. Unter > http://www.passagierlisten.de > finden Sie den Men?punkt "Weitere Datenbanken" mit links zu > "Abfahrtsdaten von Auswandererschiffen", ebenso wie zu "Emigration > Bremer B?rger" und "Passregister". > > Eine Gruppe von 14 Freiwilligen, die sich Aus-Wanderer-M?use nennen, hat > vor allem aus den "Rechnungs-Belegen des Nachweisungs-Bureau f?r > Auswanderer", Archivgut der Handelskammer, Daten der Abfahrten von > Schiffen erfasst, die vonBremen/Bremerhaven aus Passagiere direkt oder > indirekt via England bef?rdert haben. Weitgehend ist auch die Anzahl der > Passagiere angegeben. > > Die Agenturen hatten je Passagier eine Geb?hr an das Nachweisungsb?ro zu > entrichten. Sie betrug > bis 1871 3 gt (Grote) > 1872-1880 12,5 Pf (Pfennige) > 1881-1885 4 Pf > ab 1913 10 Pf f?r direkt, 5 Pf f?r indirekt bef?rderte Personen. > F?r Kinder bis 14 Jahre musste der halbe Betrag gezahlt werden, f?r > S?uglinge nichts. > > 22 656 Fahrten konnten so f?r die Zeit von 1840 - 1945 erfasst werden. > In den fehlenden Jahren wurden in den Aufzeichnungen nur Betr?ge je > Agentur aufgef?hrt, die Namen der Schiffe und Abfahrtstage jedoch nicht. > > F?r die Aus-Wanderer-M?use > Karl Wesling > > > > The Mouse (Die Maus), Society for Family Research in Bremen, has added a > new database "Departures of emigration passages" from > Bremen/Bremerhaven. At http://www.passengerlists.de you find "More > databases" with links to "Departures of emigration passages", > "Emigration of Bremen citizens" and "Register of passports". > > Sources are mainly account records. The emigration agencies had to pay > fees for each passenger, for adults the full amount, for children the > half and nothing for babies. > > 22 656 voyages in the time from 1840-1945 are registered. For missing > years there is only the fee for agencies documented, no shipnames and > dates mentioned. > > Karl (Wesling) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 11:47:36 -0500 (EST) > From: Chas7116@aol.com > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] neue Datenbank / new database > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <63365.26352b62.3aa12028@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > Thank you for the links - Still seeking passenger Euchner, Johannes and 16 > - 1854 > > > In a message dated 3/3/2011 7:02:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, > kwesling@gmx.de writes: > > the english version at the end of this message > > Unsere Datenbanken zum Thema Auswanderung sind ein Gemeinschaftsprojekt > der Maus, Gesellschaft f?r Familienforschung Bremen, der Handelskammer > Bremen, des Staatsarchivs Bremen und des Vereins f?r Computergenealogie. > > Wir haben den Bestand um die Datenbank "Abfahrtsdaten von > Auswandererschiffen" von Bremen/Bremerhaven erweitert. Unter > http://www.passagierlisten.de > finden Sie den Men?punkt "Weitere Datenbanken" mit links zu > "Abfahrtsdaten von Auswandererschiffen", ebenso wie zu "Emigration > Bremer B?rger" und "Passregister". > > Eine Gruppe von 14 Freiwilligen, die sich Aus-Wanderer-M?use nennen, hat > vor allem aus den "Rechnungs-Belegen des Nachweisungs-Bureau f?r > Auswanderer", Archivgut der Handelskammer, Daten der Abfahrten von > Schiffen erfasst, die vonBremen/Bremerhaven aus Passagiere direkt oder > indirekt via England bef?rdert haben. Weitgehend ist auch die Anzahl der > Passagiere angegeben. > > Die Agenturen hatten je Passagier eine Geb?hr an das Nachweisungsb?ro zu > entrichten. Sie betrug > bis 1871 3 gt (Grote) > 1872-1880 12,5 Pf (Pfennige) > 1881-1885 4 Pf > ab 1913 10 Pf f?r direkt, 5 Pf f?r indirekt bef?rderte Personen. > F?r Kinder bis 14 Jahre musste der halbe Betrag gezahlt werden, f?r > S?uglinge nichts. > > 22 656 Fahrten konnten so f?r die Zeit von 1840 - 1945 erfasst werden. > In den fehlenden Jahren wurden in den Aufzeichnungen nur Betr?ge je > Agentur aufgef?hrt, die Namen der Schiffe und Abfahrtstage jedoch nicht. > > F?r die Aus-Wanderer-M?use > Karl Wesling > > > > The Mouse (Die Maus), Society for Family Research in Bremen, has added a > new database "Departures of emigration passages" from > Bremen/Bremerhaven. At http://www.passengerlists.de you find "More > databases" with links to "Departures of emigration passages", > "Emigration of Bremen citizens" and "Register of passports". > > Sources are mainly account records. The emigration agencies had to pay > fees for each passenger, for adults the full amount, for children the > half and nothing for babies. > > 22 656 voyages in the time from 1840-1945 are registered. For missing > years there is only the fee for agencies documented, no shipnames and > dates mentioned. > > Karl (Wesling) > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS list administrator, send an email > to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS mailing list, send an > email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 23 > ****************************************************** > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message