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    1. [GERMANS-WI] A challenge for the GERMANS-WI list in 2020
    2. Gary Rebholz
    3. Are you serious about your German-American family research? If you belong to a genealogy organization you might want to consider this simple project: ask 3-4 like-minded members to look for their own families in the 'members trees' posted at Ancestry and familysearch or other sites and record results of 'tree accuracy'. Then ask your org. to host a panel discussion on the findings. After a casual search, I've taken a month's subscription at ancestry just to be able to send messages to offer corrections to a dozen online trees. That's just a start: I'm going to spend the entire month sending messages. The linking of bad information from tree to tree is one of the main problems. However it's clear some users are just guessing based on similar names and dates with no concern for accuracy. The desperation of one family to claim their German origins has 3-4 generations of my Schumacher tree in Milwaukee pasted on their Iowa tree. There's no actual connection and I know that my family came directly from the Köln area to Milwaukee, WI USA. A Lederer family researcher has tried to change my ancestor's name to fit their tree so they can claim his Bavarian origins as their own - there's no evidence of any connection at all other than Ozaukee County, WI, and there's clear contradiction of the families religious culture. Ancestry is clearly aware of this issue over the years. They've added the 'tag' feature recently which is helpful and I'm using it. I think they should include a 'disputed connection' tag for others to steer someone in the right direction. Or have all entries marked as 'research in progress' until switched to 'confirmed'. How about awarding 'accuracy' awards to member trees based on the thoroughness of legitimate sources and citations? We know there are other suggestions that would minimize some of the really bad postings. Any takers to the challenge? Any further suggestions?

    12/19/2019 07:57:05
    1. [GERMANS-WI] Re: A challenge for the GERMANS-WI list in 2020
    2. Neal Degner
    3. Hi Gary,  I noticed this issue a couple of years ago, when I looked at both Ancestry and Familysearch.  When doing my tree, there has to be documented proof of connections.  It was amazing to me how much incorrect information was out there. Just as you mentioned people trying to link up, but not caring if the data was correct or not.  I had an even worse experience when I looked at Findagrave.  Someone had taken a picture of my grandparents grave and linked him to another person that had the same last name that was buried in the same cemetery.  Someone else left flowers that they wished they could have known my grandfather as their grandmother was his sister.  They then added parents to my grandfather.  My grandfather had 3 brothers and no sisters and I have the records for his parents.  It took me some time and messages to the party who took the picture to release the data so I could put in the correct information and take control of his grave site.  I realize the person was trying to build a family tree but just checking the local records, my grandfather died in 1985, would have shown he was no relative, just had the same last name.  I have been struggling to get corrections in records in both Ancestry and Familysearch and Findagrave but it is a big task,Good luck  Neal Degner mail@guth-degner.com On Thursday, December 19, 2019, 08:58:29 AM CST, Gary Rebholz <gary.rebholz@gmail.com> wrote: Are you serious about your German-American family research? If you belong to a genealogy organization you might want to consider this simple project: ask 3-4 like-minded members to look for their own families in the 'members trees' posted at Ancestry and familysearch or other sites and record results of 'tree accuracy'. Then ask your org. to host a panel discussion on the findings. After a casual search, I've taken a month's subscription at ancestry just to be able to send messages to offer corrections to a dozen online trees. That's just a start: I'm going to spend the entire month sending messages. The linking of bad information from tree to tree is one of the main problems. However it's clear some users are just guessing based on similar names and dates with no concern for accuracy. The desperation of one family to claim their German origins has 3-4 generations of my Schumacher tree in Milwaukee pasted on their Iowa tree. There's no actual connection and I know that my family came directly from the Köln area to Milwaukee, WI USA. A Lederer family researcher has tried to change my ancestor's name to fit their tree so they can claim his Bavarian origins as their own - there's no evidence of any connection at all other than Ozaukee County, WI, and there's clear contradiction of the families religious culture. Ancestry is clearly aware of this issue over the years. They've added the 'tag' feature recently which is helpful and I'm using it. I think they should include a 'disputed connection' tag for others to steer someone in the right direction. Or have all entries marked as 'research in progress' until switched to 'confirmed'. How about awarding 'accuracy' awards to member trees based on the thoroughness of legitimate sources and citations? We know there are other suggestions that would minimize some of the really bad postings. Any takers to the challenge? Any further suggestions? _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germans-wi@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    12/20/2019 06:32:59
    1. [GERMANS-WI] Re: A challenge for the GERMANS-WI list in 2020 ...
    2. Gary Rebholz
    3. The 3 replies here to the 'challenge' illustrate the point. As a test I've sent out many Ancestry messages in the past 3 weeks. Some were about mismatched ancestors, blended families; some offering to share parents names; some also about aggravating name entries, or using names that are found in records, but are an actual early "misnamer". ;-) I've had some personal replies, some thanks, and some corrections were made. Oddly, no one said "show me the proof", as we should all expect. A cousin-who-shall-remain-nameless asked why my sources do not show in my posted tree (he only corresponds with me through his elderly mother). I provide source information upon request. Anyone else enjoy seeing the Given Name field used to record a string of names?: nicknames, consonant variations, ethnic variations, contractions of ethnic variations, church Latin names (baptisms); married or maiden surname consistently entered _in_the_given_name_field; spelling variations found in non-legal census/church/civil records; you name it. Ancestry has a newer feature (to me) that should help stop members sabotaging the search algorithm*: the "also known as" in the "add event" drop-down field. If members see it, "aka" should help those with trust issues; Ancestry's sometimes overzealous algorithms* have provided varied and frustrating service over the years. These active message boards are folding up BUT being archived in March 2020. I think I'm going to binge before then. *Algorithm : a process or set of rules to be followed in calculations or other problem-solving operations, especially by a computer. On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 9:45 PM Neal Degner <ndegner@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Hi Gary, > I noticed this issue a couple of years ago, when I looked at both > Ancestry and Familysearch. When doing my tree, there has to be documented > proof of connections. It was amazing to me how much incorrect information > was out there. Just as you mentioned people trying to link up, but not > caring if the data was correct or not. I had an even worse experience when > I looked at Findagrave. Someone had taken a picture of my grandparents > grave and linked him to another person that had the same last name that was > buried in the same cemetery. Someone else left flowers that they wished > they could have known my grandfather as their grandmother was his sister. > They then added parents to my grandfather. My grandfather had 3 brothers > and no sisters and I have the records for his parents. It took me some > time and messages to the party who took the picture to release the data so > I could put in the correct information and take control of his grave site. > I realize the person was trying to build a family tree but just checking > the local records, my grandfather died in 1985, would have shown he was no > relative, just had the same last name. I have been struggling to get > corrections in records in both Ancestry and Familysearch and Findagrave but > it is a big task,Good luck > > Neal Degner > > mail@guth-degner.com > > > On Thursday, December 19, 2019, 08:58:29 AM CST, Gary Rebholz < > gary.rebholz@gmail.com> wrote: > > Are you serious about your German-American family research? > If you belong to a genealogy organization you might want to consider this > simple project: ask 3-4 like-minded members to look for their own families > in the 'members trees' posted at Ancestry and familysearch or other sites > and record results of 'tree accuracy'. Then ask your org. to host a panel > discussion on the findings. > > After a casual search, I've taken a month's subscription at ancestry just > to be able to send messages to offer corrections to a dozen online trees. > That's just a start: I'm going to spend the entire month sending messages. > > The linking of bad information from tree to tree is one of the main > problems. However it's clear some users are just guessing based on similar > names and dates with no concern for accuracy. The desperation of one family > to claim their German origins has 3-4 generations of my Schumacher tree in > Milwaukee pasted on their Iowa tree. There's no actual connection and I > know that my family came directly from the Köln area to Milwaukee, WI USA. > A Lederer family researcher has tried to change my ancestor's name to fit > their tree so they can claim his Bavarian origins as their own - there's no > evidence of any connection at all other than Ozaukee County, WI, and > there's clear contradiction of the families religious culture. > > Ancestry is clearly aware of this issue over the years. They've added the > 'tag' feature recently which is helpful and I'm using it. I think they > should include a 'disputed connection' tag for others to steer someone in > the right direction. Or have all entries marked as 'research in progress' > until switched to 'confirmed'. How about awarding 'accuracy' awards to > member trees based on the thoroughness of legitimate sources and citations? > We know there are other suggestions that would minimize some of the really > bad postings. > > Any takers to the challenge? Any further suggestions? > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germans-wi@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germans-wi@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

    01/08/2020 09:08:10
    1. [GERMANS-WI] Re: A challenge for the GERMANS-WI list in 2020
    2. Sandy Maloof
    3. Bravo for doing this! I am so glad I am not the only one that is so annoyed with Ancestry these days.  I, like you, only add to my tree when I find evidence that proves the fact!  So many people have parts of my tree in their trees which yet to be proven we are related.  I spend lots of time looking at hints which part of my tree is linked to others who haven't verified facts!  Your idea of tagging, "disputed", "research", or "verified" would be great....be nice if the hints would show which it was too to avoid wasting time in them.  The only would be the additional effort for someone (or Ancestry) other than the person who owns the tree.   Unless Ancestry could somehow come up with some algorithm that see what file of theirs is linked to the data in the tree.  As you see "hint leaf" is derived that way and is not necessarily accurate. I recently did the Ancestry DNA and am disappointed there with the same problem.  Yes, I may be related, but they have no substantial documentation to show it or what they have is incorrect!  Either I see them having incorrect, unverified trees or no tree at all. While I am on disappointments, has anyone else been disappointed with not being able to get film from the LDS familsearch.org info they provide.  I used to be able to do interlibrary loans from them to my local library.  Apparently, LDS in Utah no longer lend their films out.  They said they have most of it scanned in and available on their site.  Unfortunately, none of the German records and any Wisconsin records I have found are available on their site.  My biggest findings was from LDS film several years ago when I found ggrandmother's baptismal and her 9 siblings baptismal from Kronenbug, Rheinland Prussia.  This led me to their parents name and many new findings! When I get motivated back into my genealogy again, I will also help in pushing Ancestry to take more action in people having "verified" trees and start commenting back to the ones who don't have evidence.  I have emailed a few in the past, already.  Of course, you get no response.  Ancestry needs to definitely work on their leaf hints as well. Thanks again for your efforts!  All of us old time genealogist need to get Ancestry to look into this making this more effective than just enticing people with memberships and finding leaf hints. On Thursday, December 19, 2019, 09:58:25 AM EST, Gary Rebholz <gary.rebholz@gmail.com> wrote: Are you serious about your German-American family research? If you belong to a genealogy organization you might want to consider this simple project: ask 3-4 like-minded members to look for their own families in the 'members trees' posted at Ancestry and familysearch or other sites and record results of 'tree accuracy'. Then ask your org. to host a panel discussion on the findings. After a casual search, I've taken a month's subscription at ancestry just to be able to send messages to offer corrections to a dozen online trees. That's just a start: I'm going to spend the entire month sending messages. The linking of bad information from tree to tree is one of the main problems. However it's clear some users are just guessing based on similar names and dates with no concern for accuracy. The desperation of one family to claim their German origins has 3-4 generations of my Schumacher tree in Milwaukee pasted on their Iowa tree. There's no actual connection and I know that my family came directly from the Köln area to Milwaukee, WI USA. A Lederer family researcher has tried to change my ancestor's name to fit their tree so they can claim his Bavarian origins as their own - there's no evidence of any connection at all other than Ozaukee County, WI, and there's clear contradiction of the families religious culture. Ancestry is clearly aware of this issue over the years. They've added the 'tag' feature recently which is helpful and I'm using it. I think they should include a 'disputed connection' tag for others to steer someone in the right direction. Or have all entries marked as 'research in progress' until switched to 'confirmed'. How about awarding 'accuracy' awards to member trees based on the thoroughness of legitimate sources and citations? We know there are other suggestions that would minimize some of the really bad postings. Any takers to the challenge? Any further suggestions? _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germans-wi@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/01/2020 11:27:26
    1. [GERMANS-WI] Re: A challenge for the GERMANS-WI list in 2020
    2. Barbara Bower
    3. I found on Ancestry someone claimed my great grandparents (include a photo I have). They had them living someplace other than Wisconsin and even add another wife to my great grandfather. I have the Family bible that my great grandfather started and he had written a little autio bio in the front. He immigrated to Wisconsin in 1868 and lived Fr Atkinson the rest of his life. My mother lived in Ft Atkinson and knew her grandparents. I did send a message and he corrected his tree. Other people have other great grandfather's stepmother as his mother. I have his auto bio and it states that his mother mother died when he was six and his father remarried. I tried to correct all these people but some just ignore me. Barbara Bower On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 9:58 AM Gary Rebholz <gary.rebholz@gmail.com> wrote: > Are you serious about your German-American family research? > If you belong to a genealogy organization you might want to consider this > simple project: ask 3-4 like-minded members to look for their own families > in the 'members trees' posted at Ancestry and familysearch or other sites > and record results of 'tree accuracy'. Then ask your org. to host a panel > discussion on the findings. > > After a casual search, I've taken a month's subscription at ancestry just > to be able to send messages to offer corrections to a dozen online trees. > That's just a start: I'm going to spend the entire month sending messages. > > The linking of bad information from tree to tree is one of the main > problems. However it's clear some users are just guessing based on similar > names and dates with no concern for accuracy. The desperation of one family > to claim their German origins has 3-4 generations of my Schumacher tree in > Milwaukee pasted on their Iowa tree. There's no actual connection and I > know that my family came directly from the Köln area to Milwaukee, WI USA. > A Lederer family researcher has tried to change my ancestor's name to fit > their tree so they can claim his Bavarian origins as their own - there's no > evidence of any connection at all other than Ozaukee County, WI, and > there's clear contradiction of the families religious culture. > > Ancestry is clearly aware of this issue over the years. They've added the > 'tag' feature recently which is helpful and I'm using it. I think they > should include a 'disputed connection' tag for others to steer someone in > the right direction. Or have all entries marked as 'research in progress' > until switched to 'confirmed'. How about awarding 'accuracy' awards to > member trees based on the thoroughness of legitimate sources and citations? > We know there are other suggestions that would minimize some of the really > bad postings. > > Any takers to the challenge? Any further suggestions? > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germans-wi@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

    01/02/2020 04:13:52