probably West Allis...?? jk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Nikkhah" <margnikkhah@yahoo.com> To: <GERMANS-WI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANS-WI] Wisconsin State Death Records The same problem with Sheboygan county. Sometimes under county it says "STCR" and the city is Sheboygan or Plymouth. Does anyone have any idea what city "Weal" in Milwaukee county is suppose to represent? Margaret Nikkhah --- > From: Tasha Treptow <tashat@tds.net> > > Make sure you watch the counties. There is a mix up with Shawano > county, some of them are entered as Sheboygan. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ==== GERMANS-WI Mailing List ==== Just a reminder Listers and Newbies, When "Replying" to a message, delete all except the most pertinent parts of the original message. It reduces the size of the mail and eliminates unnecessary re-reading of an already posted message.

The same problem with Sheboygan county. Sometimes under county it says "STCR" and the city is Sheboygan or Plymouth. Does anyone have any idea what city "Weal" in Milwaukee county is suppose to represent? Margaret Nikkhah --- > From: Tasha Treptow <tashat@tds.net> > > Make sure you watch the counties. There is a mix up with Shawano > county, some of them are entered as Sheboygan. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Make sure you watch the counties. There is a mix up with Shawano county, some of them are entered as Sheboygan. The county will say Sheboygan, but the city will say Shawano. I remember seeing a note about this when I visited the Area Research Center in Green Bay. When I looked one of my ancestors up from Shawano, I almost missed it because it was listed as Sheboygan, but then noticed the city was Shawano. However, not all of them have Shawano listed as the city!! Tasha Treptow

Forwarded by List Admin. >>Subj: [GERMANS-WI] Wisconsin State Death Records Date: 12/6/2002 1:41:36 PM Central Standard Time From: rloss@bellsouth.net To: GERMANS-WI-L@rootsweb.com Sent from the Internet (Details) I didn't say it was easy!...........just a little amazed that this (other than some local counties) was posted as a searchable item for us. By the way, Oregon and Washington also have the same type search procedure.....I believe from the same company. Regards, Robert Lipprandt Subject: [GERMANS-WI] Wisconsin State Death Records THANKS awesome site. I hope they add previous years back to 1907... << Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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THANKS awesome site. I hope they add previous years back to 1907... one can dream.. Found quite a few folks. A lot were born around 1879 and earlier. Lottie ( good advice to read the instructions.. makes it much faster to navigate.) <<Subject: Wisconsin State Death Records and Certificates http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/wi/_vitals/wideathm.htm >> 1959 -1979

I was successful in accessing the Wisconsin State Death Records suggested by Robert Lipprandt. I went to: http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/wi/_vitals/wideathm.htm and clicked on all the links for instructions and read them all and didn't understand. But eventually it dawned on me. This is long and detailed, but it will lead you step by step thru a process that is neither a highly automated search or very user friendly. Near the top of the opening page click on the word "here" below "1959-1979 Deaths". This should open an extra new window. At the bottom of this new window will be a box and a "Begin Search" button. To the left is a message that says "Enter your Surname here..." Click in the box at the left edge and type the surname that you are interested in and click begin search. This will get a new page. Click on "go to fiche". This will bring up a grid of 207 selectable virtual fiche pages. Now click on the tiny "idx" to the left of "01" and above "B". The brings up a new page that is a list of the first surname on each fiche page. Now figure out where your surname fits in this list and and look at the letter and number code to the right of the name that is just before your surname. Remember this code, for example, "M 04". Now press your browser's "Back" button to get back to that grid. Finally click on the "*" in the appropriate square and an image of a fiche page will appear that should have the surname that you are looking for on it. Ugly, but it works. By the way I was unable to print the page. I had to hand copy the information. Good luck. Bob Vircks

FORWARDED BY LIST ADMIN. >> Subj: [GERMANS-WI] Wisconsin vitals Date: 12/6/2002 5:17:33 AM Central Standard Time From: rloss@bellsouth.net To: GERMANS-WI-L@rootsweb.com Sent from the Internet (Details) Did you enter the surname at the very bottom of the home page in order to activate the procedure? Regards, Robert Lipprandt Subject: [GERMANS-WI] Wisconsin vitals > I tried this page and come up with nothing, > > < Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

I tried this page and come up with nothing,

FORWARDED BY LIST ADMIN. >>Subj: Wisconsin State Death Records and Certificates Date: 12/5/2002 7:21:14 AM Central Standard Time From: rloss@bellsouth.net To: WICLARK-L@rootsweb.com, GERMANS-WI-L@rootsweb.com, WI-ROLLCALL-L@rootsweb.com, WISHEBOY-L@rootsweb.com, 2skeeter@charter.net Sent from the Internet (Details) Subject: Wisconsin State Death Records and Certificates http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/wi/_vitals/wideathm.htm The above is something I just stumbled upon.......you have to read through the instructions first as the system (microfiche) may be a bit confusing (thank you Bob in Brookfield as this was attached to the Milwaukee County site). The limitations are that it is only a 20 year time span but, it works as I have found some loose ends! Regards, Robert Lipprandt (South Florida 78:....no snow)<< Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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FORWARDED BY LIST ADMIN. >>Subj: Re:ZARBROOK, ZARBUCK, ZAHRBAUCH, ZARBOCK, ZARBUK, SARBROOK, of Marquette Co, WI Date: 12/4/2002 8:33:59 AM Central Standard Time From: mhesser@uniontel.net To: GERMANS-WI-L@rootsweb.com Sent from the Internet (Details) Hello, I noted that one of your towns mentioned is Richford which is where I live. Richford is not in Marquette County. The other towns are on the border of Marquette and Waushara County as is Richford in Waushara. Just wondered if you searched Waushara County Records. If not - send me an email after the Holidays and I will try to help. Mary Simon Hesser Researching: SIMON, DEGENHARDT, ALTHEN, ALLWARDT, WILLIAMS, VANDENHOOGAN, and many others.<< Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

FORWARDED BY LIST ADMIN. >>Subj:Milwaukee County Cemetery Location Maps Date: 12/4/2002 6:07:53 AM Central Standard Time From: rloss@bellsouth.net To: GERMANS-WI-L@rootsweb.com Sent from the Internet (Details) Greetings Bob, Since you have inside working knowledge of cemetery locations of Milwaukee County, can you give me a downloadable (or search- able site) where all the cemeteries are located?? When a cemetery is mentioned (as with your Forest Home), I would assume that it is located off of Forest Home somewhere but not living in your area, I do not have a clue. I have a map of Milwaukee County but cemetery listings are not one of it's high points............ The Archdiocese has a great site as but none of my relatives are Catholic and the Protestant sites are less than helpful with a lack of names listed. At least, if the surnames/names were listed online, a researcher could then write to the cemetery office for further info. Wood also is very good but none of my relatives are there also. Is there a master list somewhere?? Regards, Robert Lipprandt (South Florida) Subject: [GERMANS-WI] Cemetery maps...... As many know on other rootsweb query/message boards know, I am a volunteer for one day at week at historic Forest Home Cemetery of Milwaukee. I also do quite a bit of reading into Milwaukee (City & County) history having read over 25 volumes of history todate (some large, some small).<< Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

As many know on other rootsweb query/message boards know, I am a volunteer for one day at week at historic Forest Home Cemetery of Milwaukee. I also do quite a bit of reading into Milwaukee (City & County) history having read over 25 volumes of history todate (some large, some small). You do not mention any given names for your LUICK family. Here are some of the names with that surname I find: Wm. G. Bruce in his 3rd of 3 volumes has a family history with these names: Marguerite (Mrs. Roman A. Drodesser, Maria Anna (Mrs. Peter Hirschbeoeck), Catherine, Mrs. John nee Monica Adler, John, Mrs. William F. nee Clara B. Bangs, Ida E. John Jr., Jr., William Ferdinand, Adolph J., Mrs. John (ii) nee Elizabeth Hoff, Jacob, Henry C., George F. Jr., Frank X, Mrs. Jacob nee Elisabeth, & Edna. The Scrapbooks of Forest Home Cemetery has mentioned mr. & Mrs. William (Clara Bang). John G. Gregory in his 1st of 4 volumes has William F. Western Historical Publishing Co.'s of 1881 has Joachim F. In regards to the Traub surname I only find: The Traub family in the Scrapbooks Mrs. Moritz H. nee Tillie Schlungbaum, M. H., Moritz H., Hugo, J.B., and Carl in Bruce's 1st & 2nd volumes. I have not had a chance to check the burial records of the cemetery which was founded in 1850 but will do so Friday if yoiu so desire. I do not charge anything for looking this information up. The only cost would be a $1.00 fee to the cemetery should you desire anything photocopied and mailed to you: this, of couirse, would cover photocopying costs, paper, envelope and postage charges. All of the above volumes of history are located in the private library of the cemetery and are not open to the public because of their fragile state. Some of the others are not at the cemetery butare ones I checked out of the Brookfield Public Library. I give all of the above information so that others on this message board who would want information searched by me in these sources will be aware of my willingness to do so. Bob of Brookfield

Mrs. Elizabeth (HALTIMON) MULL, b. VA - d. 14 JUN 1907, daughter of Geo. Haltimon/Halterman, buried in RUSSELL Cemetery. Where is Russell Cemetery??? Lived in Town of Summit, Langlade County, WI. Possible wife of Joseph MULL. Elizabeth MULL/MOLL b. IN wife of John (Sr.) KEOUGH b. Canada. also known as... Maggie, Margaretha, maybe Margaret. Both parents said to be born in Indiana on the 1880 Langlade County Census. Parents possibly Joseph and Josepha MOLL/MULL Whereabouts of both are unknown after 1880 Langlade County Census. Son- John Patrick KEOUGH was "abandonded" by father John (Sr.) in Lily, Langlade County, WI at about age 7. No trace of mother. Obit of son John Patrick KEOUGH says he had a brother and sister that preceded him in death by 1943. Names unknown. Possible parents for John KEOUGH Sr. are John & Ellen KEOUGH, Cornwell, Canada. 1880 census said parents b. Ireland/Canada. May have ended up in Michigan? Any lead is greatly appreciated on these elusive MULL, MOLL, KEOUGH, KEHOEs.. Deborah Slager Polo, IL slager@essex1.com

Looking to share info on the KOCH, OLDENBURG, FRANK, and NAU/NOW/, families of Langlade, Outagamie, Shawano, Oconto Counties and elsewhere in Wisconsin. Specifically looking for ancestors and descendants of: John NAW (NAU/NOW) b. Germany and wife "Unknown" GREEN b. PA daughter- Elizabeth "Libby" NOW KOCH, 01 APR 1866-04 JUL 1955 wife of Frank KOCH, buried Elmwood Cemetery, Langlade County, Antigo, WI Karl /Carl KOCH, b. Germany 15 MAR 1817 - 12 APR 1901, son of John and ??? KOCH married Minnie FRANK/FRANKE, residences Norwood & Antigo, Langlade Co, WI, occupation minister. Frank KOCH, b. WI, 05 MAR 1858 - 05 JUN 1922, son of Karl/Carl KOCH and Minnie FRANK both b. Germany Norman Elmer KOCH 15 AUG 1866 - 28 MAR 1967 buried Elmwood Cemetery, Antigo. Resident of Town of Norwood, Route 1 Antigo, WI. Son of Frank & Elizabeth (NOW) KOCH married Freida Helen OLDENBURG, 02 APR 1899 - 08 JUN 1962, daughter of John Wm OLDENBURG & Wilimina GLAWE Mrs. Anton FRITSCH, daughter of Frank & Elizabeth (NOW) KOCH Walter M. KOCH b. Racine, WI and wife Zelma BROOKS b. OH, lived in Lily, Langlade County, WI from Oct 16, 1923-Nov 5, 1923 (perhaps longer), death of child Mary J. KOCH. Willamina OLDENBURG b. Germany 1855- 27 JUL 1934 buried Antigo Cemetery, wife of John OLDENBURG, death informant, Mrs. August MARMES of Antigo, WI Deborah Slager great -granddaughter of Norman and Freida (OLDENBURG) KOCH Polo, IL

Looking to share info on ZARBROOK, ZARBUCK, ZAHRBAUCH, ZARBOCK, SARBROOK, ZARBUK, and other variations of same family of Marquette County and elsewhere in Wisconsin. They likely came to America between 1852 - 1856 Juliana ZARBUCK, 27 JAN 1824 - 20 MAR 1911 , b. Germany Father: Mike MADDANCE b. Germany Mother: unknown widow, husband unknown , buried in Mecan Cemetery, Marquette Co. WI place of death Town of Shields, Marquette Co, WI informant on death certificate Christ SCHUMAN of Montello, WI Julia ZARBUCK, 08 MAY 1833 - 10 Feb 1910 b. Germany place of death Township of Harris Father: Andrew SHWARK/SHWANK b. Germany Mother: Julia WAND/WANT b. Germany Married: Buried: Harrisville Cemetery Gotleb (Gottlieb, Gotlieb) Henry ZARBROOK/ZARBUCK, 09 NOV 1856 - 15 Feb 1928 place of death Township of Packwaukee - burial Old City CemeteryMontello, WI - retired farmer Father: Daniel Mother: Julia Madden (another source says father: Daniel ZARBUK mother: Juliana MODANZAN) Married: Auguste ZARBROOK (Gustie/Auguste JAHNKE/YONKE) 21 Mar 1878 Informant: Amanda Cragin (Mrs.) (Daughter) Bertha Pauline ZARBROOK KLAWITTER, b. WI 11 Dec 1882 - 18 JUN 1964 Father: Gottlieb ZARBROOK Mother: Auguste (Guste) JAHNKE Married: Emil Ludwig KLAWITTER, son of Ludwig KLAWITTER & Louise SCHAUER Burial: Montello City Cemetery Informant: Leona Ingraham, daughter Sons: Ed KLAWITTER & Herbert H. KLAWITTER of Montello, WI William ZARBROOK, b. Shields, WI , 05 Aug 1860 - 26 Jan 1948, widow Parents: unknown Informant: Mrs. Sommerfeldt, Waupun, WI burial: Montello, WI Wife: Auguste SCHMIDT (grandfather of Mrs.John ( Adeline KOENKE) ZACHARIAS Gusta ZARBOCK, b. unknown- age 35 years Germany, d. 27 Jan 1904 Shield, Wi Maiden Name: Gusta SCHMIDT Husband: Wm ZARBOCK died in childbirth, buried in Montello, WI Father: Charles SCHMIDT b. Germany Mother: Valina SCHMIDT b. Germany "Child" ZARBROCK, age 30 days b. Shields 11 MAR 1903 - 10 Apr 1903 d. whooping cough Father: Wm. ZARBROCK, b. WI Mother: Gusta ZARBROCK, b. WI Jerome Gilbert ZARBUCK, b. Montello 9 Jan 1929 - 16 Feb 1929 of polio Father: Gust ZARBUCK b. Richford Mother Clara ??? b. Milwaukee buried Montello August ZARBROCK, 08 Feb 1895 - 1913 age 18.3.13 single buried Ev. Lutheran Cemetery on May 23, 1913 Father: Wm ZARBROCK b. Shields, WI Mother: Auguste SCHMIDT b. WI Informant: Wm ZARBROOK/ZARBROCK Gravestone in Mecan, Marquette County, WI Cemetery reads Daniel ZAHRBAUCH & Julia MODANZEN (believed to be Daniel and Juliana Zarbrook shown above) Compiled by Deborah (Klawitter) Slager Polo, IL slager@essex1.com great-granddaughter of Bertha Pauline ZARBROOK KLAWITTER more info on request

Hi Clarine, My great-great-great-grandfather Ludwig BELZER was married to a Maria Elizabeth TRAUB. They came from Hessen-Darmstadt in 1848 to Germantown, Washington Co.,WI and moved to Lomira, Dodge Co.,WI. Then after Maria's death, Ludwig moved to LaPorte City, Blackhawk Co. IA The reason I mention this is Germantown is very close to Milwaukee and family letters mention others from the area traveling there. Maria was born 2 Oct 1811. I have often wondered if any of her family came over with her or not. Lottie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andresen" <sax-cma@swbell.net> To: <GERMANS-WI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: [GERMANS-WI] LUICK, TRAUB Hi The family names that I am researching in Wisconsin are Luick and Traub in Milwaukee County. There is conflicting info on where in Germany the Luicks originated, and Johan "Jacob" Traub (1821 - 1905) was born at Heilingen, Donau Kreis, Wurttemburg. Any information will be cherished. Sincerely, Clarine Andresen in Texas

Hi The family names that I am researching in Wisconsin are Luick and Traub in Milwaukee County. There is conflicting info on where in Germany the Luicks originated, and Johan "Jacob" Traub (1821 - 1905) was born at Heilingen, Donau Kreis, Wurttemburg. Any information will be cherished. Sincerely, Clarine Andresen in Texas

Neal, Thanks for the response. IF!!! we are talking about one Philip (variant spellings: German "Philipp") Eckel, born 15. 09. 1824 at Bechhofen, Rheinbayern (now Homburg, Saarland), he was son of Jakob Eckel, born c. 1799 Bechhofen? (son of Michael Eckel & Eva nee Fink); died after 1860 (not at Belgium town?), married 20. 04. 1826 Bechhofen to Catharina Menzner, daughter of Philipp Menzner, musician, died 16. 2. 1818 Mittelberg & Margaretha Wollenweber, died 27. 04. 1814 also at Mittelberg. Other Eckel children should be at Belgium: Theresia Maria Elisabetha born 15. 05. 1827 Bechhofen and Johann George Eckel, born 01. 05. 1831 also at Bechhofen. The father, Jakob Eckel is named "Jakob Eckel II" at births of Theresia and Johann Georg (may be "Rufname" George in later life). Jakob Eckel (perhaps the "first"), Ackersmann (farmer) at Bechhofen, was 32 years old in 1823, married to Elisabetha Clemann (30 years old in 1823), parents of one Johannes Eckel, born 16. 06. 1823 in Bechhofen. Jacob Eckel and wife Catharina are listed in US census for Ozaukee Co., WI 1860: page 93, No. 766, Family No. 656, enumeration date 30. 06. 1860 in the town of Belgium. Jacob "Ekel" age 61 years, male, white, farmer, native of "Bavaria", real-estate value (land $1,500, personal property $300); Catharina "Ekel" , age 63 years, female, white, native of Bavaria. The family were neighbors to Philipp Bold (1800-1881) married to Theresia Eckel! This Philipp is my second great-grandfather. I believe Jakob Eckel (wife Catharina) in Belgium WI was brother to this Theresia Eckel Bold. Philipp Bold and wife Theresia Eckel settled in Belgium in 1846. I don't know (but would like to find out) which family came first, or did they perhaps travel together? What were other circumstances of that immigration. Besides Jakob and Theresia there was also a Friedrich Eckel , born about 1788 in Bechhofen (another brother?) I could find no other Eckels in the area. I have no information on the descent of Philipp Eckel born 1824. Could he indeed be the Eckel you looked for in Washington Co.? (Ozaukee was part of that county at the time). Do the pieces fit? I would be anxious for any additional information. The Eckel records I mention are from the Standesamt at Homburg, Saarland. They can be accessed through the Mormon library (I did my feeble research years ago before any of that was available!). I, too, have looked for years for Eckel descent and a connection in WI. I would be delighted if this pans out! I believe the Eckels must have left the Belgium area after the 1860s. Let me know. Joe in Oakland CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal W. Degner" <edegner@execpc.com> To: <GERMANS-WI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANS-WI] BOLD, ECKEL, ZIRBES > Is the Eckel family you are researching the descendents of Phillip Eckel who > settled in Port Washington? I have looked for many years for the connections > to the Jungs and Eckels in the town of Addison in Washington County. These > came from the about the same area in Rhineland-Pfalz near Ulmet and St. > Julian. > > Neal Degner > Germantown, WI > > > > ==== GERMANS-WI Mailing List ==== > Just a reminder Listers and Newbies, > > When "Replying" to a message, delete all except the most pertinent parts of the original message. It reduces the size of the mail and eliminates unnecessary re-reading of an already posted message. >