FORWARDED BY LIST ADMIN. >>Hinkel-Radloff Date: 1/20/2003 4:23:20 PM Central Standard Time From: jcfoster@snowcrest.net To: Germans-WI-D@rootsweb.com Sent from the Internet (Details) ----- Original Message ----- From: June Foster To: German-WI-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 2:16 PM Subject: Hinkel-Radloff Addition to list of Germans in Wisconsin: Christian Frederick HINKEL, born in Pommern 27 Feb. 1851, arrived in New York from Pommern in May, 1876. He became a naturalized citizen in Wisconsin in 1880. The same year he married Ernestine Fredericke Augusta RADLOFF on November 26 at Ev. St. Johannes Geminde Church (now St. John's United Church of Christ) in Cecil, Washington Tshp., Shawano County. Their children were: Ludwika (1881); Josephine (1883); Robert (1886); Ernestine (1888); Otto (1889); Olga (1891); John (1893); August (1895); Martha (1897); Louis (1899) and Hannah (1901). All were born in Washington Township. Ernestine RADLOFF was the daughter of Ludwig Johann RADLOFF and Augusta Hanna Caroline KLOEHN (KLEIN). Ludwig was born in Neusarnow, Cammin, Pommern on 05 Sept. 1831. Augusta was born 20 April 1836 in Medewitz, Cammin, Pommern. Ludwig and Augusta and four of their children (Wilhelm-1858; Ernestine-1861; August-1863; and Albert 1866) arrived in New York in July, 1868. Ludwig took out natualization papers in Shawano County on 6 April, 1874. Four children were born to them in Wisconsin: Carl (1869); Ernest (1872); Max (1874) and Anne (1876). Both the HINKEL and RADLOFF parents lived out their days in Washington Tshp Shawano County, WI.and are buried in local cemeteries.<< Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com

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Hi All if anyone has any connections to this family please contact me. wehling@rushmore.com Steven C. Wehling Rapid City SD Descendants of Paul Wehling WEHLING First Generation 1. Paul Wehling WEHLING-[26389] was born about 1865 in Germany. Paul married Katherine WOLTERMANN-[26390] [MRIN:9084]. Children from this marriage were: 2 M i. Frank WEHLING-[24481] was born on 13 Oct 1889 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio and died in Jun 1967 in Ohio, at age 77. Frank married Clara-[26438] [MRIN:9101]. 3 F ii. Anna WEHLING-[26435] was born in 1891 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. Anna married Charles WILLETT-[26436] [MRIN:9100] about 1909 in May have been Married in Cincinnati, Ohio. 4 F iii. Rosaline WEHLING-[26432] was born in 1896 in Ohio. Rosaline married Ed POND-[26439] [MRIN:9102]. 5 M iv. Paul WEHLING-[26388] was born on 30 Nov 1897 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, died on 2 Dec 1988 in V.A. Nursing Home, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, at age 91, and was buried in Spring Grove Cemetery, Cincinnati, Ohio. Paul married Lillian GAMBREL-[26391] [MRIN:9085]. 6 F v. Martha WEHLING-[26433] was born on 22 Feb 1903 in Cincinnati, Ohio. Martha married Herman Walter ALBACH III-[26440] [MRIN:9103]. 7 F vi. Emma WEHLING-[26434] was born in 1907 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. Second Generation 2. Frank WEHLING-[24481] was born on 13 Oct 1889 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio and died in Jun 1967 in Ohio, at age 77. Research Notes: Frank resided in Mt. Adams, Cincinnati and worked at the US Postal Service for many years. Frank married Clara-[26438] [MRIN:9101]. 3. Anna WEHLING-[26435] was born in 1891 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. Anna married Charles WILLETT-[26436] [MRIN:9100] about 1909 in May have been Married in Cincinnati, Ohio. Children from this marriage were: 8 M i. Charles WILLETT-[26437] . 4. Rosaline WEHLING-[26432] was born in 1896 in Ohio. Research Notes: Lived in Mt. Orb, Ohio, and worked as a nurse at the Longview Mental Hospital in Cincinnati, Ohio. Rosaline married Ed POND-[26439] [MRIN:9102]. 5. Paul WEHLING-[26388] was born on 30 Nov 1897 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, died on 2 Dec 1988 in V.A. Nursing Home, Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio, at age 91, and was buried in Spring Grove Cemetery, Cincinnati, Ohio. Research Notes: Paul was a WWI vet Paul married Lillian GAMBREL-[26391] [MRIN:9085], daughter of Milton Proctor GAMBREL-[26392] and Nancy-[26393]. 6. Martha WEHLING-[26433] was born on 22 Feb 1903 in Cincinnati, Ohio. Martha married Herman Walter ALBACH III-[26440] [MRIN:9103]. Children from this marriage were: 9 F i. Olivia ALBACH-[26441] . 10 F ii. Catherine ALBACH-[26442] . 11 F iii. Audrey ALBACH-[26443] . 12 F iv. Virginia ALBACH-[26444] . 13 M v. Herman Walter ALBACH III-[26445] . Herman married (name unknown). 7. Emma WEHLING-[26434] was born in 1907 in Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio. Third Generation 8. Charles WILLETT-[26437] . Research Notes: Charles made a fortune inventing some kind of simulator apparatus for the Military. 9. Olivia ALBACH-[26441] . 10. Catherine ALBACH-[26442] . 11. Audrey ALBACH-[26443] . 12. Virginia ALBACH-[26444] . 13. Herman Walter ALBACH III-[26445] . Herman married (name unknown).

This is by no means complete but the families listed here for the most part came to Cincinnati and on to Wisconson Texas and where ever. Rieste is on the Dutch German border. Steven C. Wehling ----- Original Message ----- Descendants of Bernard KRAMER First Generation 1. Bernard KRAMER-[25992] was born in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany. Bernard married Anna Maria STRICKER-[25993] [MRIN:8972]. Children from this marriage were: 2 M i. Herman Heinrich KRAMER-[25987] was born in 1806 in Rieste, Germany, died on 5 May 1859 in Rieste, Germany, at age 53, and was buried on 8 May 1859 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. Herman married Maria Elisabeth Creuzman-[25988] [MRIN:8971] in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany. 3 M ii. Bernard Heinrich KRAMER-[26002] was born on 8 Aug 1815 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, died on 9 Oct 1866 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, at age 51, and was buried on 11 Oct 1866 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. Bernard married Anna Maria BULTMANN-[26003] [MRIN:8974] on 10 Nov 1841 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. Second Generation 2. Herman Heinrich KRAMER-[25987] was born in 1806 in Rieste, Germany, died on 5 May 1859 in Rieste, Germany, at age 53, and was buried on 8 May 1859 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. Herman married Maria Elisabeth Creuzman-[25988] [MRIN:8971] in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany. Children from this marriage were: 4 F i. Catharina Maria KRAMER-[25986] was born on 28 Jun 1833 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, died on 25 May 1872 in Rieste, Hannover, Germany, at age 38, and was buried on 28 May 1872 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. Catharina married Johann Bernard Rudolph WALTER-[25985] [MRIN:8970] on 9 Nov 1856 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. 5 F ii. Anna Maria Catharina KRAMER-[26004] was born on 16 May 1843 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany. Anna married Heinrich Joseph TORBECKE-[26005] [MRIN:8975] on 27 Nov 1866 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. 6 F iii. Maria Catharina Elisabeth KRAMER-[26006] was born on 26 Apr 1840 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany. Maria married Gerhard Heinrich Beckman-[26007] [MRIN:8976] on 28 Nov 1866 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany. 3. Bernard Heinrich KRAMER-[26002] was born on 8 Aug 1815 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, died on 9 Oct 1866 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, at age 51, and was buried on 11 Oct 1866 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. Bernard married Anna Maria BULTMANN-[26003] [MRIN:8974] on 10 Nov 1841 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. Children from this marriage were: 7 M i. Herman Heinrich KRAMER-[26014] was born on 26 Dec 1844 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, died on 19 Aug 1870, at age 25, and was buried on 24 Aug 1870 in Moselle, Germany. Third Generation 4. Catharina Maria KRAMER-[25986] was born on 28 Jun 1833 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, died on 25 May 1872 in Rieste, Hannover, Germany, at age 38, and was buried on 28 May 1872 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. Death Notes: 38 years, 11 Months Catharina married Johann Bernard Rudolph WALTER-[25985] [MRIN:8970], son of Bernard Heinrich WALTER-[21507] and Catharina Maria SCHNEITHORST-[21508], on 9 Nov 1856 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. Marriage Notes: Witnesses: Heinrich Feldkamp, Margaretha Bruns both from Rieste. Children from this marriage were: 8 F i. Maria Catharina Elisabeth WALTER-[25991] was born on 13 Sep 1859 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, was christened on 15 Sep 1859 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany, died on 3 Jul 1870 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, at age 10, and was buried on 6 Jul 1870 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. 9 M ii. Bernard Heinrich WALTER-[25998] was born on 29 May 1864 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, was christened on 1 Jun 1864 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany, died on 15 Apr 1871 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, at age 6, and was buried on 18 Apr 1871 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. 10 F iii. Anna Maria Catharina WALTER-[26001] was born on 12 Sep 1866 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany and was christened on 13 Sep 1866 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. 11 F iv. Josaphine Elisabeth WALTER-[26015] was born on 28 Oct 1869 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, died on 11 Apr 1871 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, at age 1, and was buried on 14 Apr 1871 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. 5. Anna Maria Catharina KRAMER-[26004] was born on 16 May 1843 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany. Anna married Heinrich Joseph TORBECKE-[26005] [MRIN:8975], son of Heinrich TORBECKE-[21651] and Catharina KOTTE-[21652], on 27 Nov 1866 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. Marriage Notes: Witnesses: Joseph Kramer and Regina Möllman in Rieste, Germany Children from this marriage were: 12 F i. Margaretha Catharina TORBECKE-[26010] was born on 13 Oct 1867 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany and was christened on 16 Oct 1867 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. 13 M ii. Johann Gerhard Joseph TORBECKE-[26012] was born on 25 Aug 1869 in Rieste, Hannover, Germany and was christened on 28 Aug 1869 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. 6. Maria Catharina Elisabeth KRAMER-[26006] was born on 26 Apr 1840 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany. Maria married Gerhard Heinrich Beckman-[26007] [MRIN:8976], son of Bernard Heinrich BECKMANN-[26008] and Anna Gertrude DÜSING-[26009], on 28 Nov 1866 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany. Marriage Notes: Witnesses: Friedrich Grawe from Westerholte and Regina Möllman in Rieste, Germany 7. Herman Heinrich KRAMER-[26014] was born on 26 Dec 1844 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, died on 19 Aug 1870, at age 25, and was buried on 24 Aug 1870 in Moselle, Germany. Fourth Generation 8. Maria Catharina Elisabeth WALTER-[25991] was born on 13 Sep 1859 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, was christened on 15 Sep 1859 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany, died on 3 Jul 1870 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, at age 10, and was buried on 6 Jul 1870 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. Christening Notes:Catharina Krämer and Elisabeth Kramer both from Rieste Burial Notes: 8 Years, 4 Months, 3 Days 9. Bernard Heinrich WALTER-[25998] was born on 29 May 1864 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, was christened on 1 Jun 1864 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany, died on 15 Apr 1871 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, at age 6, and was buried on 18 Apr 1871 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. Christening Notes:Godparents: Bernard Colon Barlage and Heinrich Colon Hülsman both from Rieste, Germany Death Notes: 6 Years, 10 Months, 2 Days 10. Anna Maria Catharina WALTER-[26001] was born on 12 Sep 1866 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany and was christened on 13 Sep 1866 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. Christening Notes:Godparents: Catharina Walter and Catharina Kramer both from Rieste, Germany 11. Josaphine Elisabeth WALTER-[26015] was born on 28 Oct 1869 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, died on 11 Apr 1871 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany, at age 1, and was buried on 14 Apr 1871 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. Death Notes: 1 Year, 6 Months, 16 Days 12. Margaretha Catharina TORBECKE-[26010] was born on 13 Oct 1867 in Rieste, , Hannover, Germany and was christened on 16 Oct 1867 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. Christening Notes:Godparents: Catharina Torbecke and Margaretha Creuzman both from Rieste, Germany 13. Johann Gerhard Joseph TORBECKE-[26012] was born on 25 Aug 1869 in Rieste, Hannover, Germany and was christened on 28 Aug 1869 in Lage Catholic Church, Rieste, Germany. Christening Notes:Godparents: Joseph Möllman and Gerhard Belm both from Rieste, Germany From: "Pam Mix" <pammix@attbi.com> To: <GERMANS-WI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:30 PM Subject: [GERMANS-WI] KRAEMER > I'm looking for information on my Kraemer family. The doors just opened > a little wider for me and I'm hoping there are some other Kraemer's out > there doing research on their family as well. > > My Grandma is the last of the Kraemer's along her line (we follow down > through the Michael Kraemer line below). We were at a standstill with > Jakob Kraemer in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin until we received some census > information about the other children that they had. > > We do not know when they came to the U.S. from Germany, but we think it > may have been around the late 1840's. We believe that they made a stop > in Cincinnati, Ohio (due to census records) before moving on to Fond du > Lac, Wisconsin. We do not know where they came from in Germany. > > Please let me know if you have links to my family. > > Father: Jakob Kraemer (or Kremer) born: Abt. 1808 died: 10/17/1892 > Mother: Anna Maria (Peters) Kraemer born: Abt. 1820 died: 08/11/1891 > Son: Michael Kraemer born: 01/12/1846 died: 02/25/1908 > married: Gertrud Gross on 04/08/1866 in Mt. Calvary, WI > Son: John Kraemer born: Abt. 1848 > Son: Peter Kraemer born: Abt. 1850 > married: Margarethe Zens on 07/26/1870 in Mt. Calvary, WI > Son: Joseph Kraemer born: Abt. 1852 > Son: Bartel Kraemer born: Abt. 1854 > Son: Nicholas Kraemer born: Abt. 1856 > Son: Christian Kraemer born: Abt. 1859 > > Thanks for your help. I look forward to making a Kraemer (Kremer) > family connection! > > Pam > pammix@attbi.com > > > ==== GERMANS-WI Mailing List ==== > ABSOLUTELY NO Advertising is allowed on this list and will be cause for immediate removal from the list. > >

I'm looking for information on my Kraemer family. The doors just opened a little wider for me and I'm hoping there are some other Kraemer's out there doing research on their family as well. My Grandma is the last of the Kraemer's along her line (we follow down through the Michael Kraemer line below). We were at a standstill with Jakob Kraemer in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin until we received some census information about the other children that they had. We do not know when they came to the U.S. from Germany, but we think it may have been around the late 1840's. We believe that they made a stop in Cincinnati, Ohio (due to census records) before moving on to Fond du Lac, Wisconsin. We do not know where they came from in Germany. Please let me know if you have links to my family. Father: Jakob Kraemer (or Kremer) born: Abt. 1808 died: 10/17/1892 Mother: Anna Maria (Peters) Kraemer born: Abt. 1820 died: 08/11/1891 Son: Michael Kraemer born: 01/12/1846 died: 02/25/1908 married: Gertrud Gross on 04/08/1866 in Mt. Calvary, WI Son: John Kraemer born: Abt. 1848 Son: Peter Kraemer born: Abt. 1850 married: Margarethe Zens on 07/26/1870 in Mt. Calvary, WI Son: Joseph Kraemer born: Abt. 1852 Son: Bartel Kraemer born: Abt. 1854 Son: Nicholas Kraemer born: Abt. 1856 Son: Christian Kraemer born: Abt. 1859 Thanks for your help. I look forward to making a Kraemer (Kremer) family connection! Pam pammix@attbi.com

Wanted: Any information, pictures (Especially pictures, since I have none of this man) of a John Siebert (Sometimes spelled Seibert, depending on which document you're looking at) and his time in the Milwaukee Wisconsin area. This is what I have on him so far via Civil War pension papers, newspaper articles about his wife, and marriage records: John Siebert ----------------- Born July 15, 1840 and died approximately anywhere from February 10th-15th, 1907 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin Joined the Civil War PA Infantry (Why PA? My guess is that maybe he was originally from PA) in B Company 31st Regimen of the Pennsylvania Infantry and then his pension papers also state that he was in the 82nd PA Infantry. After his stunt in PA, he apparently met a Celia Gambur (Yambur--I've seen it pronounced 3 ways now) in Milwaukee, where she grew up. Then they went down to Springfield, IL. and married on June 15, 1865. They spent a few years there, then tried their luck in Chicago, IL. Unfortunately, as John was an alcoholic, Celia kicked him out either in Chicago or Springfield. Neither divorced, but Celia stayed in Springfield, IL. and John moved to Milwaukee where he originally met Celia, and spent the rest of his life there. I know his last residence was at 540 National Avenue and I know that his original career was that of a carpenter. If anyone ever comes across any more information pertaining to this man, please let me know! My Great Great Grandpa's somewhat of a mystery. Brent

Hello. I am new to this list, and I need lots of help!!! In 1842 Mathias GERHARDS or GERHARTZ (in Germany) or GERHART (US), b. 1800, emigrated from Ditscheid, Rhein-Pfalz, Prussia with his wife, Maria SCHMITT, b. 1810, and a son, Michel. There was another Maria with them and an Eva as well. I'm not sure how the latter two were related, but one may have been Michel's wife and the other Mathias' daughter. Mathias' and Maria's dau, Catherine, was not with the group on the passenger list, but she was only 2 y.o. then, so maybe ignored. I do not find any of these folks until I find a Mathias Gerhart in a 1869 Chicago, IL directory. I never again was able to find him. And I've never found Michel, either, let alone any of the women. I believe they may have gone to Fond-du-Lac as there are records showing that other family members went there at an earlier time. Related family names are Pitzen and Härig. 1. Does anyone know anything about any of these folks? 2. What suggestions do you have as to where I should search in order to find them...especially Mathias and his (2nd) wife, Maria. I've already done the obvious things like Google and Familysearch and censuses. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Jane in AZ

I sent this to a friend, a couple people have looked at it and this is what they send back, hope it helps, Jackie Tama kuvaanatetter Heinakuun (or Heinakwn) 20 jr 1896 Lingdan jnd Amerika > ja > mina (or minii) olin jillan 38 vuaden ja g kunja (or kwnja) 3 jraivan > > Hi Ginny! > I think it's supposed to be Finnish. There are a lot of mistakes and > strange > words in it so it's really hard to figure out what is meant. I can only > figure out pieces of it: > This picture... July 20 ..1896 ...America and I was... 38 years (old?) > and... > It could also be Estonian though, since Finnish and Estonian are related. > Barney > -- Hi Bev.  I sent the text to a friend of Bettina's who is learning Finnish. At least she knew a little.  Hope it helps.  +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more  http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen! Tama kuvaanatetter Heinakuun (or Heinakwn) 20 jr 1896 Lingdan jnd Amerika ja mina (or minii) olin jillan 38 vuaden ja g kunja (or kwnja) 3 jraivan

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I have a friend who may be able to translate that, if nobody else can do it right away, Jackie

In a message dated 1/9/2003 8:44:35 AM Central Standard Time, Maramun@aol.com writes: > Looks like Finnish to me. I know a Finnish-born woman and will run it by > her > at the next opportunity. > This message was on the GERMANS-WI message board and was deleted because it had nothing to do with GERMANS in WISCONSIN. Please also keep in mind that a Message board post that is gatewayed to the list needs to be replied to on the board. Most board users are not list subscribers and will never see a reply to their post otherwise. Or you can use the address of that person which is in the message gateway and e-mail them privately. A reminder: We all generally just "reply" to whatever message is on the screen, since that is how we normally communicate on this List. However, it's important to realize that SOME of the messages are "gatewayed" to us from the corresponding surname Message Board. We receive the benefit of seeing messages posted about this surname, without needing to visit the web page. Some -- perhaps many -- of those who post messages there are NOT subscribers to this List. What we need to remember, then, is that if we want to be certain our message reaches the original poster, we must click on the link provided in the message that comes to the List. That will take us to the Message Board where the original message resides. At that point, we will be able to "reply" to the message, so that it "threads" itself into that series, and also it will be gatewayed to the List, thus coming back to us here. Always digging for my roots, Kathie Harrison - List & Board Admin. GERMANS-WI ------- Lancaster Co. Coordinator, NEGenWeb Project http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishrose/lancindex.html

Looks like Finnish to me. I know a Finnish-born woman and will run it by her at the next opportunity.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Kantaaha? Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/sSC.2ACIAE/5 Message Board Post: I bought this picture at a rummage sale. Does anyone know what it means? Any help appreciated. Thanks in advance! I can't get my scanner to work so here's what it looks like to me(it looks like it is in cursive). ---------------------- Tama kuvaanatetter Heinakuun (or Heinakwn) 20 jr 1896 Lingdan jnd Amerika ja mina (or minii) olin jillan 38 vuaden ja g kunja (or kwnja) 3 jraivan Aleksander Kantaaha

FORWARDED BY LIST ADMIN. >>Subj: {not a subscriber} Georg M�LLER Date: 1/7/2003 12:32:28 PM Central Standard Time From: ahnenforschung@heininger.org To: GERMANS-WI-L@rootsweb.com Sent from the Internet (Details) Hello, I am a German member of the mailing list and have no experience in genealogical research outside of Germany. I am looking for the ggg-grandfather of my wife. His name is Georg M�LLER, born 18.4.1830 in Ried, Bavaria, Germany. He was married with Maria SCHROTT, born 21.2.1830 in H�rbach, Bavaria. They had five children: Theresia, born 18.10.1860 Georg, born 4.4.1862 Elisabeth, born 8.7.1865 Anton, born 133.6.1867, died 2.7.1867 Johann Baptist, born 10.5.1869 Georg M�LLER was the chief of a famous gang of robbers in Bavaria and was sentenced to prison, but in 1868 he escaped and fled to Wisconsin. There he wanted to begin a �normal� life. His wife and his children came later to Wisconsin. Perhaps Georg M�LLER used the false name P�TZINGER. In 2.12.1869 their child Johann Baptist died in Milwaukee, Wisconsin (we know this from a letter of Georg M�LLER to his Priest in Bavaria). I want to find out, whether Georg M�LLER really lived a �normal� life in the USA or became a criminal person again. Does anybody of the members of this mailing list have an idea, how I can continue my search in Wisconsin? -------------------------------------------------------------- With kind regards Gerhard Heininger Munich, Germany <mailto:ahnenforschung@heininger.org> ahnenforschung@heininger.org <http://www.heininger.org/> www.heininger.org<< Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com

Why do state records differ from those found in the individual counties. In 1980 I went to Friendship in Adams County, Wisconsin and photocopied a birth certificate that listed the town that my great grandfather came from in Prussia. Recently, I ordered the Adams county birth registry film from the FHC in order to decipher the name of the town. Much to my surprise, the record that I found on the film was completely different than the one I photocopied in 1980. That is to say that the record on the film did not list the name of the town or province but merely the country of mygrandfather. What should I make of this decrepancy? It would appear to me that the county records sometimes contain more information than the state records. If so, doesn't this makes state records inherently untrustworthy since you can't totally rely on the state records for a complete and full disclosure of the information given by the parents upon the birth of a child. D.Demske

I started genealogy in Sept when I retired, and am looking for my ggrandmother Susanne Shlunegger. She came from New Glarus area and married George Klassy. Any information would be appreciated. Thank you.

Dear Bob of Brookfield, Have you ever run across the name of Soergel? Johann Soergel was a blacksmith in Milwaukee and they came from Bavaria. I would love to find out some more on this family. My gg grandmother, Anna Soergel, married my gg grandfather, Rudolph Hansche, of Racine in the late 1850's sometime. Carol

In a message dated 1/4/2003 7:02:32 PM Central Standard Time, kleinke@thesurf.com writes: > Galabinska. You can check the list archives for any previous posts on the list. <A HREF="http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GERMANS-NE-IA">http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GERMANS-NE-IA</A> Rooting for the past --Kathie Harrison - List Admin. 19 lists Board Admin. 25 message boards at Rootsweb Thunder is good. Thunder is impressive. But it's the lightning does the work. ~Mark Twain

Sorry if this sound dumb but I must have delited a message about someone searching for the name Galabinska. If this is the right list, please repost as I found an obit for Clarence Galabinski in Oseala Twp.,Fond du Lac, Co. Diane

James, thank you for your response. I have searched for naturalization records for Johann and Joseph Birler but the Milwaukee Historical Society says it could not find any records. I have not found ship records and think that will be what I have to concentrate on now. Again, thanks for your suggestions. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ufgtrs19@aol.com> To: <GERMANS-WI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANS-WI] Birler/Mayer/Meyer > I had experienced similar difficulties. Although you provide a great deal of > information about the family, have you found any records regarding any of > their naturalizations, which may be informative for their place of birth? > Also has a record of ship arrival been found for them? Likely coming as > early as they did their arrival port would have been Milwaukee, but this is > just a guess. Knowing about their arrival, a departure passenger ship list > can be found if they left from Hamburg. A person's 'place of birth'/'last > residence' was recorded in Hamburg for each emigrant. Lastly, start looking > for possible relatives that also immigrated and thoroughly investigate the > places of birth recorded for them on Wisconsin records. > > One thing Wisconsin records have provided me with have been a phonetic place > name in Pommern for a younger brother of my gr-grandfather. Also, having > studied the more established Heidel family from Green Lake County (mine > migrated to Minnesota, Kansas & Oregon) who came "to the Green Lake prairie" > shortly after my gr-gr-grandfather had started farming there has given the > best lead yet for Kreis Demmin to have been the place in Pommern where my > Heidels emigrated. Since making this discovery I have found other Heidels > whose forefather had emigrated from there, as well. > > James Heidel > > > ==== GERMANS-WI Mailing List ==== > The GERMANS-WI-L Mail List Home Page is: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishrose/germans-wi-l.htm >