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    1. [GERMANS-WI] GERMANS-WI caravan arrivals - send yours in too!
    2. Gary Rebholz
    3. Interpreting one of my German ancestor "caravan" arrivals on an 1856 ship list of the Belgique Port of Embarkation: Trinidad Date of Arrival: Oct 27, 1856 It's unlikely the average family researcher could figure these family relationships out without getting to know the family first. (One online tree owner made a stab at it by faking the information in his tree.) Line 174 - Peter Schumacher – then his wife ... Line 175 - Clara Elisabeth (Koenen) Schumacher ... Line 176 - Gertrude Schumacher, their daughter Line 182 - Adam Schumacher - Peter's father ... Line 183 - Agnes (Hamacher) Schumacher, Adam's wife ... Line 184 - Peter [Joseph] Esser, Adam & Agnes' son-in-law ... Line 185 - Margaret (Schumacher) Esser, Peter Jos. ’s wife, daughter of Adam & Agnes (Hamacher) ... Line 186 - Margaret Esser, their daughter Line 187 - Eva Esser, their daughter I'm interpreting their stated destination "Wilwauki", as Milwaukee. The family settled in the old Town of Lake, around the "New Coeln" settlement. Sadly, early records at the old St. Stephen's Catholic Church that was an anchor of that unincorporated community were destroyed by fire (a couple of times). Another project with this caravan group is to follow the route of the Belgique with it's stop in Trinidad (?).

    02/04/2020 11:56:16
    1. [GERMANS-WI] Evolution of a GERMANS-WI maiden name
    2. Gary Rebholz
    3. Showing the evolution of a GERMANS-WI maiden name "Endress" ... an example of why some of us use church records religiously to increase accuracy in our research AND more family detail. - 1822: Endress; Margarethe Endress's christening in Eschenau, Bavaria church records - 1851: Endress; christening record for son Conrad, named Conrad Endress because there was no record of a marriage; father Johann Härtl; mother Margarethe Endress is named along with her parent's names and their house No. 63 (a really helpful detail in German records). Baptism sponsor was Conrad Conrad (see 1857) - 1857: Anderes; Mr. & Mrs. Härtl are sponsors for the Jun 14 baptism of John Conrad, son of fellow Eschenau emigrants Conrad & Elis. (Dexheimer) Conrad, settlers in New Berlin, Waukesha Co., WI - 1860: Enderes; baptism of 3 Haertel sibs (sponsored by an adult Franz Haertel) - 1861: Anderes; baptism of Maria Louise Haertel (sponsored by an adult Maria Louise Haertel). Her cousin Anna Amelia Rauh's baptism (later Mrs. Andrew Rebholz) was on the same day. That cousin relationship was the catalyst for this research. - 1863: Enderes; 19 Oct 1863 baptism of son "Ador Johann" Haertel (John Sperber was sponsor) - 1894: Andrea; per son Conrad's biography in "Portrait and Biographical Record of Waukesha County, Wisconsin". Now known as Conrad A. Haertel, he would've been more accurate using Conrad E. Haertel since he was born an Endress. - 2000s: Andrea; 2 online trees are matched to German "Andrea" records. The records look pretty good, except that they're not for Margarethe (Endress) Haertel. Source info.: unrestricted home access with registration at the familysearch site: Evangelical Reformed Church, Erste Evangelical Reformed Church, New Berlin & Waukesha, Wisconsin 1845-1942 (Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1983), UW-Milwaukee Golda Meir Library-A.R.C., Milwaukee WI, LDS Film: 1392599. "Contains constitution; baptisms; confirmations; number of communicants1849-1865; marriages 1850-1864, 1891-1939; deaths; families 1845- 1865; history; members 1864-1890; and officers 1864-1867." This congregation was merged with the U.C.C. in 1950 and is now called The Evangelical Reformed United Church of Christ.

    02/03/2020 07:02:23
    1. [GERMANS-WI] Positive follow-up on messaging online trees ...
    2. Gary Rebholz
    3. I'm grateful to GERMANS-WI listers about their experiences with research found online and the difficulty to get changes made. I have long-standing examples of that too. Some general statistics from my "challange" effort: from January 1-28 I've sent 178 messages and received 76 replies regarding Public Member Trees. Nearly 100% of responses were positive. This is a good project to recommend in any local research community. One example: the toughest "sell" remains getting multiple tree owners to correct a maiden name quoted from a husband's 1868 obituary from Margarethe "Andrea" to "Endress". Better misspellings of the Endress name like "Enderes" are found in Waukesha, WI baptism records. It's "Endress" in Bavarian church records at archion.de. Also, Margarethe gained a fictional birthplace when someone matched the "Andrea" surname in Ancestry's German records. I chose this example to follow on a surname hunch. One old Waukesha County church is an example of chain and caravan migration of multiple families from the villages of the Erlangen-Hochstädt District in Bavaria; including my Rauh ancestor and 2 siblings. Here are a couple of quotes from among the 76 replies: - From a German: "...It is the first time that someone has written to me. Most of the time, people don't want contact ..." - "I guess I didn't quite have his first name typed in correctly. :) Thank you for this information." - "Thank for the heads up! If you provide her real parents names..." - "Vielen Dank für Ihre Informationen..." - "I had no idea their names! You helped me break my brick wall..." - "I've made the change..thank you..." - " Done. Thank you very much for letting me know. " One person who remains reluctant to make a change wrote: "Well thanks for the information and your opinion" Both Ancestry and now Findagrave have members that post to be helpful, but without even general source information included. Count-down: this list shuts down 2 Mar 2020!

    01/28/2020 08:55:35
    1. [GERMANS-WI] The pain and heartache ...
    2. Gary Rebholz
    3. The pain and heartache of projected missed search results of Ancestry Member Trees. It causes many people to pack in a bunch of names in the Given Name field; maiden and married names, nicknames, GERMAN-WI spelling variations. It's all due to the bad reputation and mistrust of Ancestry's search algorithm. If I followed the trend, my ancestor Carl August Heinrich Manthey (he signed Mantheÿ, trans. as Manthei) might look like this: Given Name: Carl "Karl" August "Aug." Heinrich "Henry" "Heinr." "Mantheÿ" "Manthei" Surname: Manthey "Mantheÿ" "Manthei" Ancestry offers the "also known as" feature found on the Profile Page -> Facts Column -> +Add button -> Add Fact or Event -> Select an event type -> Other facts: -> Also known as A Texan challenged me on using "also known as" for multiple names; he said the search algorithm doesn't use that field. Fair enough. I unchecked ALL of the "exact" boxes before searching the Public Member Trees. (My new hobby.) The result included 16 member trees with the 4-5 spelling variations for Margarethe Endress whose maiden name has been posted and copied as "Andreas" (from her husband's obit.). Her married name is found as Haertel and I've now thrown the German version Härtl into the Ancestry mix, from her son Conrad's German baptism record in Eschenau, Bavaria. Baptism research for her children born in Waukesha, WI USA would've got the average researcher closer to the Endress spelling ;-)

    01/20/2020 10:26:50
    1. [GERMANS-WI] Re: Practical research tip for using Hansen's "Guide to German Parish Registers..." series
    2. Barbara Zanzig
    3. I use the Meyers gazetteer with the Google map overlay of Atlas des Deutschen Reichs a lot: http://s.meyersgaz.org/ . It wouldn't be good for large-scale map printing but I use it all the time to check spelling variants and relative locations. Their Google API key currently has a problem but you can click through to the map anyway. On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 9:20 AM Gary Rebholz <gary.rebholz@gmail.com> wrote: > I was stymied by Hansen's use of simple map outlines that probably kept his > publishing costs down. I was finally successful finding all the Catholic > and Protestant parishes for my 100% German ancestry by using map prints > showing the 19th c. cities within Hansen's map outlines. (Does anyone > remember finding the same information online in the early 2000s? The books > date from 2014, and I was not able to find the online information > anywhere.) > Thanks to Barb Z. for her help with volume 41; my library now knows that > the missing volume needs to be purchased to complete their series. > > -- Barbara Zanzig

    01/18/2020 11:00:12
    1. [GERMANS-WI] Practical research tip for using Hansen's "Guide to German Parish Registers..." series
    2. Gary Rebholz
    3. I was stymied by Hansen's use of simple map outlines that probably kept his publishing costs down. I was finally successful finding all the Catholic and Protestant parishes for my 100% German ancestry by using map prints showing the 19th c. cities within Hansen's map outlines. (Does anyone remember finding the same information online in the early 2000s? The books date from 2014, and I was not able to find the online information anywhere.) Thanks to Barb Z. for her help with volume 41; my library now knows that the missing volume needs to be purchased to complete their series.

    01/18/2020 07:19:01
    1. [GERMANS-WI] change of address
    2. Bill Eull
    3. Please change my email address from the sympatico carrier to billeull@gmail.com Thanks Bill

    01/16/2020 10:32:00
    1. [GERMANS-WI] Re: GERMANS-WI Digest, Vol 14, Issue 6
    2. Maramun
    3. Gary, Oshkosh Public Library owns the full map guide set.   Ask them:https://www.oshkoshpubliclibrary.org/usingthelibrary/ask They are short on staff right now, but members of the Winnebagoland Genealogical Society volunteer to help with requests (mostly obits).  You are welcome to tell them I sent you.  I'm out of town or I'd do it myself.  Mara Munroe -----Original Message----- From: germans-wi-request <germans-wi-request@rootsweb.com> To: germans-wi <germans-wi@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Jan 15, 2020 3:40 am Subject: GERMANS-WI Digest, Vol 14, Issue 6 Send GERMANS-WI mailing list submissions to germans-wi@rootsweb.com To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body subscribe to germans-wi-request@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and body unsubscribe to germans-wi-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at germans-wi-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of GERMANS-WI digest..." Today's Topics:   1. "Challenge" replies & German newspaper steamship advertisements       (Gary Rebholz)   2. Look-up request "Map Guide to German Parish Registers" Vol41       (Gary Rebholz) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:37:43 -0600 From: Gary Rebholz <gary.rebholz@gmail.com> Subject: [GERMANS-WI] "Challenge" replies & German newspaper steamship     advertisements To: GERMANS-WI is a list for finding resources or families connected     with German immigration to Wisconsin <germans-wi@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:     <CAHSMVVbUz3fgihaPeuZpZHkZqCMHPFSuyXOOJmCvJbRjw9FrwA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Replies from the owners of Ancestry Member Trees continue to trickle in. Really. A poster's profile page lists the past time they signed which can indicate likelihood of a response. I'll post statistics before the list shuts down in March 2020. Years ago I posted information how in some eras German-WI families could watch regular newspaper columns to see when relatives or friends on a known ship & travel date left a German port and arrived at a US port, almost in real time. (Transatlantic telegraph cable was first installed in the 1850s, but reliably successful in 1860s-1870s). You can also collect advertisements in the German language newspapers that may match your family's ocean travels. The Norddeutschen Lloyd Line advertised in Milwaukee papers. Their 1870s advert. includes pending trips & dates for ships named: Braunschweig (Capt. Undütsch), Nürnberg (Capt. Jäger), Liepzig (Capt. Hoffmann), Ohio (Capt. Meyer), Berlin (Capt. Pohle), Baltimore (Capt. Andressen). Ticket prices were: Cabin passengers, $100 Gold Below deck passengers $30 currency Children 1-10 years, half-price Infants $2 The steamship company's promotion infers how a German-WI ancestor may have traveled from Baltimore to Wisconsin ... [translated] "The Baltimore landing berths of these steamers is also the depot of the Baltimore & Ohio Railway, which carries passengers to and from the West at cheaper prices than any railroad from New York and Philadelphia." US Railway adverts. are found in many decades of publishing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2020 20:03:06 -0600 From: Gary Rebholz <gary.rebholz@gmail.com> Subject: [GERMANS-WI] Look-up request "Map Guide to German Parish     Registers" Vol41 To: GERMANS-WI is a list for finding resources or families connected     with German immigration to Wisconsin <germans-wi@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:     <CAHSMVVY0-U9WKeBUyqyMz-Yw5-nq4bTG5Eh1gvLfhbwb4=EMTw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" My library is somehow missing a volume of the series: Guide to German Parish Registers; Kingdom of Prussia; Prov. of Brandenburg I, Vol. 41; K. Hansen. If anyone has ready access to Vol 41, can you identify the parish for the town of Reetz found there? I already have the information on the Reetz found in Vol. 42. If possible, I'd appreciate a scan of the title page and the parish info. that includes Reetz. I'm zeroing in on a brick wall for my GERMANS-WI Manthey family. Thanks in advance, Gary Rebholz gary.rebholz@gmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to %(real_name)s-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the GERMANS-WI mailing list -- germans-wi@rootsweb.com, send an email to %(real_name)s@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to %(real_name)s-request@%(host_name)s with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ------------------------------ End of GERMANS-WI Digest, Vol 14, Issue 6 *****************************************

    01/15/2020 09:46:47
    1. [GERMANS-WI] Look-up request "Map Guide to German Parish Registers" Vol41
    2. Gary Rebholz
    3. My library is somehow missing a volume of the series: Guide to German Parish Registers; Kingdom of Prussia; Prov. of Brandenburg I, Vol. 41; K. Hansen. If anyone has ready access to Vol 41, can you identify the parish for the town of Reetz found there? I already have the information on the Reetz found in Vol. 42. If possible, I'd appreciate a scan of the title page and the parish info. that includes Reetz. I'm zeroing in on a brick wall for my GERMANS-WI Manthey family. Thanks in advance, Gary Rebholz gary.rebholz@gmail.com

    01/14/2020 07:03:06
    1. [GERMANS-WI] "Challenge" replies & German newspaper steamship advertisements
    2. Gary Rebholz
    3. Replies from the owners of Ancestry Member Trees continue to trickle in. Really. A poster's profile page lists the past time they signed which can indicate likelihood of a response. I'll post statistics before the list shuts down in March 2020. Years ago I posted information how in some eras German-WI families could watch regular newspaper columns to see when relatives or friends on a known ship & travel date left a German port and arrived at a US port, almost in real time. (Transatlantic telegraph cable was first installed in the 1850s, but reliably successful in 1860s-1870s). You can also collect advertisements in the German language newspapers that may match your family's ocean travels. The Norddeutschen Lloyd Line advertised in Milwaukee papers. Their 1870s advert. includes pending trips & dates for ships named: Braunschweig (Capt. Undütsch), Nürnberg (Capt. Jäger), Liepzig (Capt. Hoffmann), Ohio (Capt. Meyer), Berlin (Capt. Pohle), Baltimore (Capt. Andressen). Ticket prices were: Cabin passengers, $100 Gold Below deck passengers $30 currency Children 1-10 years, half-price Infants $2 The steamship company's promotion infers how a German-WI ancestor may have traveled from Baltimore to Wisconsin ... [translated] "The Baltimore landing berths of these steamers is also the depot of the Baltimore & Ohio Railway, which carries passengers to and from the West at cheaper prices than any railroad from New York and Philadelphia." US Railway adverts. are found in many decades of publishing.

    01/13/2020 04:37:58
    1. [GERMANS-WI] Mailing Lists functionality, beginning 2 March 2020
    2. Gary Rebholz
    3. Beginning March 2nd, 2020 the Mailing Lists functionality on RootsWeb will be discontinued. Users will no longer be able to send outgoing emails or accept incoming emails. Additionally, administration tools will no longer be available to list administrators and mailing lists will be put into an archival state. (And the memo doesn't use the approved date format used in genealogy research circles!)

    01/10/2020 09:14:45
    1. [GERMANS-WI] List going away
    2. Christina Wilson
    3. Apparently Rootsweb has announced that the email lists are going away in March. Several of the groups I'm on have already migrated to io groups. You can check them out at: https://groups.io/groups Christina

    01/10/2020 08:00:23
    1. [GERMANS-WI] GERMANS-WI cousin matches in DNA results?
    2. Gary Rebholz
    3. Have you used the "Birth location in matches' trees" search option within you DNA matches at the Ancestry site? 23andMe offers the search, but subscribers there are less likely to fill in locations, or surnames. I've used both "Milwaukee", and a wider search of "Wisconsin" at Ancestry-DNA. Even the distant 5th-8th degree cousin matches are providing the interesting results. I'm also picking through specific German towns or their "Kreis" / county. I'm continuing to send messages at Ancestry (Public Member Trees) & 23andMe with any possible connection to my tree: asking questions, offering corrections or additional detail to poster's research. The response rate so far isn't bad.

    01/09/2020 07:41:04
    1. [GERMANS-WI] Re: A challenge for the GERMANS-WI list in 2020 ...
    2. Gary Rebholz
    3. The 3 replies here to the 'challenge' illustrate the point. As a test I've sent out many Ancestry messages in the past 3 weeks. Some were about mismatched ancestors, blended families; some offering to share parents names; some also about aggravating name entries, or using names that are found in records, but are an actual early "misnamer". ;-) I've had some personal replies, some thanks, and some corrections were made. Oddly, no one said "show me the proof", as we should all expect. A cousin-who-shall-remain-nameless asked why my sources do not show in my posted tree (he only corresponds with me through his elderly mother). I provide source information upon request. Anyone else enjoy seeing the Given Name field used to record a string of names?: nicknames, consonant variations, ethnic variations, contractions of ethnic variations, church Latin names (baptisms); married or maiden surname consistently entered _in_the_given_name_field; spelling variations found in non-legal census/church/civil records; you name it. Ancestry has a newer feature (to me) that should help stop members sabotaging the search algorithm*: the "also known as" in the "add event" drop-down field. If members see it, "aka" should help those with trust issues; Ancestry's sometimes overzealous algorithms* have provided varied and frustrating service over the years. These active message boards are folding up BUT being archived in March 2020. I think I'm going to binge before then. *Algorithm : a process or set of rules to be followed in calculations or other problem-solving operations, especially by a computer. On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 9:45 PM Neal Degner <ndegner@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Hi Gary, > I noticed this issue a couple of years ago, when I looked at both > Ancestry and Familysearch. When doing my tree, there has to be documented > proof of connections. It was amazing to me how much incorrect information > was out there. Just as you mentioned people trying to link up, but not > caring if the data was correct or not. I had an even worse experience when > I looked at Findagrave. Someone had taken a picture of my grandparents > grave and linked him to another person that had the same last name that was > buried in the same cemetery. Someone else left flowers that they wished > they could have known my grandfather as their grandmother was his sister. > They then added parents to my grandfather. My grandfather had 3 brothers > and no sisters and I have the records for his parents. It took me some > time and messages to the party who took the picture to release the data so > I could put in the correct information and take control of his grave site. > I realize the person was trying to build a family tree but just checking > the local records, my grandfather died in 1985, would have shown he was no > relative, just had the same last name. I have been struggling to get > corrections in records in both Ancestry and Familysearch and Findagrave but > it is a big task,Good luck > > Neal Degner > > mail@guth-degner.com > > > On Thursday, December 19, 2019, 08:58:29 AM CST, Gary Rebholz < > gary.rebholz@gmail.com> wrote: > > Are you serious about your German-American family research? > If you belong to a genealogy organization you might want to consider this > simple project: ask 3-4 like-minded members to look for their own families > in the 'members trees' posted at Ancestry and familysearch or other sites > and record results of 'tree accuracy'. Then ask your org. to host a panel > discussion on the findings. > > After a casual search, I've taken a month's subscription at ancestry just > to be able to send messages to offer corrections to a dozen online trees. > That's just a start: I'm going to spend the entire month sending messages. > > The linking of bad information from tree to tree is one of the main > problems. However it's clear some users are just guessing based on similar > names and dates with no concern for accuracy. The desperation of one family > to claim their German origins has 3-4 generations of my Schumacher tree in > Milwaukee pasted on their Iowa tree. There's no actual connection and I > know that my family came directly from the Köln area to Milwaukee, WI USA. > A Lederer family researcher has tried to change my ancestor's name to fit > their tree so they can claim his Bavarian origins as their own - there's no > evidence of any connection at all other than Ozaukee County, WI, and > there's clear contradiction of the families religious culture. > > Ancestry is clearly aware of this issue over the years. They've added the > 'tag' feature recently which is helpful and I'm using it. I think they > should include a 'disputed connection' tag for others to steer someone in > the right direction. Or have all entries marked as 'research in progress' > until switched to 'confirmed'. How about awarding 'accuracy' awards to > member trees based on the thoroughness of legitimate sources and citations? > We know there are other suggestions that would minimize some of the really > bad postings. > > Any takers to the challenge? Any further suggestions? > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germans-wi@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germans-wi@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

    01/08/2020 09:08:10
    1. [GERMANS-WI] Re: A challenge for the GERMANS-WI list in 2020
    2. Christina Wilson
    3. I've tried. My great grandmother listed her parents on both her marriage certificates (so far this and a listing in the 1850 mortality census are the only documentation I've found). Her mother was listed as Mary on both marriage certificates. Yet I find a number of people list it as Jane. No one can tell me why they list it as Jane, except that is how it is listed on someone else's tree. I tried (politely) explaining why it is not Jane. Nothing, except for one person telling me my great grandmother lied. Which, from what I've learned about her, is possible. I had someone contact me that we were  some sort of cousins. Her mother had done the research. They were descended from a brother of my 2great grandfather. A man who as near as I could tell never married or had children. Let alone had never gone to the US. So I did some work on him. He'd died a bachelor in the parish where his brother was a priest (in Denmark). I never heard from the researcher again--and she never changed her information. People are just too enamored of their information. So, I wish you all the best--and if you can get one person to change their information, you have succeeded. Happy New Year, Christina

    01/03/2020 08:56:34
    1. [GERMANS-WI] Re: A challenge for the GERMANS-WI list in 2020
    2. Barbara Bower
    3. I found on Ancestry someone claimed my great grandparents (include a photo I have). They had them living someplace other than Wisconsin and even add another wife to my great grandfather. I have the Family bible that my great grandfather started and he had written a little autio bio in the front. He immigrated to Wisconsin in 1868 and lived Fr Atkinson the rest of his life. My mother lived in Ft Atkinson and knew her grandparents. I did send a message and he corrected his tree. Other people have other great grandfather's stepmother as his mother. I have his auto bio and it states that his mother mother died when he was six and his father remarried. I tried to correct all these people but some just ignore me. Barbara Bower On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 9:58 AM Gary Rebholz <gary.rebholz@gmail.com> wrote: > Are you serious about your German-American family research? > If you belong to a genealogy organization you might want to consider this > simple project: ask 3-4 like-minded members to look for their own families > in the 'members trees' posted at Ancestry and familysearch or other sites > and record results of 'tree accuracy'. Then ask your org. to host a panel > discussion on the findings. > > After a casual search, I've taken a month's subscription at ancestry just > to be able to send messages to offer corrections to a dozen online trees. > That's just a start: I'm going to spend the entire month sending messages. > > The linking of bad information from tree to tree is one of the main > problems. However it's clear some users are just guessing based on similar > names and dates with no concern for accuracy. The desperation of one family > to claim their German origins has 3-4 generations of my Schumacher tree in > Milwaukee pasted on their Iowa tree. There's no actual connection and I > know that my family came directly from the Köln area to Milwaukee, WI USA. > A Lederer family researcher has tried to change my ancestor's name to fit > their tree so they can claim his Bavarian origins as their own - there's no > evidence of any connection at all other than Ozaukee County, WI, and > there's clear contradiction of the families religious culture. > > Ancestry is clearly aware of this issue over the years. They've added the > 'tag' feature recently which is helpful and I'm using it. I think they > should include a 'disputed connection' tag for others to steer someone in > the right direction. Or have all entries marked as 'research in progress' > until switched to 'confirmed'. How about awarding 'accuracy' awards to > member trees based on the thoroughness of legitimate sources and citations? > We know there are other suggestions that would minimize some of the really > bad postings. > > Any takers to the challenge? Any further suggestions? > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germans-wi@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

    01/02/2020 04:13:52
    1. [GERMANS-WI] Re: A challenge for the GERMANS-WI list in 2020
    2. Sandy Maloof
    3. Bravo for doing this! I am so glad I am not the only one that is so annoyed with Ancestry these days.  I, like you, only add to my tree when I find evidence that proves the fact!  So many people have parts of my tree in their trees which yet to be proven we are related.  I spend lots of time looking at hints which part of my tree is linked to others who haven't verified facts!  Your idea of tagging, "disputed", "research", or "verified" would be great....be nice if the hints would show which it was too to avoid wasting time in them.  The only would be the additional effort for someone (or Ancestry) other than the person who owns the tree.   Unless Ancestry could somehow come up with some algorithm that see what file of theirs is linked to the data in the tree.  As you see "hint leaf" is derived that way and is not necessarily accurate. I recently did the Ancestry DNA and am disappointed there with the same problem.  Yes, I may be related, but they have no substantial documentation to show it or what they have is incorrect!  Either I see them having incorrect, unverified trees or no tree at all. While I am on disappointments, has anyone else been disappointed with not being able to get film from the LDS familsearch.org info they provide.  I used to be able to do interlibrary loans from them to my local library.  Apparently, LDS in Utah no longer lend their films out.  They said they have most of it scanned in and available on their site.  Unfortunately, none of the German records and any Wisconsin records I have found are available on their site.  My biggest findings was from LDS film several years ago when I found ggrandmother's baptismal and her 9 siblings baptismal from Kronenbug, Rheinland Prussia.  This led me to their parents name and many new findings! When I get motivated back into my genealogy again, I will also help in pushing Ancestry to take more action in people having "verified" trees and start commenting back to the ones who don't have evidence.  I have emailed a few in the past, already.  Of course, you get no response.  Ancestry needs to definitely work on their leaf hints as well. Thanks again for your efforts!  All of us old time genealogist need to get Ancestry to look into this making this more effective than just enticing people with memberships and finding leaf hints. On Thursday, December 19, 2019, 09:58:25 AM EST, Gary Rebholz <gary.rebholz@gmail.com> wrote: Are you serious about your German-American family research? If you belong to a genealogy organization you might want to consider this simple project: ask 3-4 like-minded members to look for their own families in the 'members trees' posted at Ancestry and familysearch or other sites and record results of 'tree accuracy'. Then ask your org. to host a panel discussion on the findings. After a casual search, I've taken a month's subscription at ancestry just to be able to send messages to offer corrections to a dozen online trees. That's just a start: I'm going to spend the entire month sending messages. The linking of bad information from tree to tree is one of the main problems. However it's clear some users are just guessing based on similar names and dates with no concern for accuracy. The desperation of one family to claim their German origins has 3-4 generations of my Schumacher tree in Milwaukee pasted on their Iowa tree. There's no actual connection and I know that my family came directly from the Köln area to Milwaukee, WI USA. A Lederer family researcher has tried to change my ancestor's name to fit their tree so they can claim his Bavarian origins as their own - there's no evidence of any connection at all other than Ozaukee County, WI, and there's clear contradiction of the families religious culture. Ancestry is clearly aware of this issue over the years. They've added the 'tag' feature recently which is helpful and I'm using it. I think they should include a 'disputed connection' tag for others to steer someone in the right direction. Or have all entries marked as 'research in progress' until switched to 'confirmed'. How about awarding 'accuracy' awards to member trees based on the thoroughness of legitimate sources and citations? We know there are other suggestions that would minimize some of the really bad postings. Any takers to the challenge? Any further suggestions? _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germans-wi@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    01/01/2020 11:27:26
    1. [GERMANS-WI] Re: A challenge for the GERMANS-WI list in 2020
    2. Neal Degner
    3. Hi Gary,  I noticed this issue a couple of years ago, when I looked at both Ancestry and Familysearch.  When doing my tree, there has to be documented proof of connections.  It was amazing to me how much incorrect information was out there. Just as you mentioned people trying to link up, but not caring if the data was correct or not.  I had an even worse experience when I looked at Findagrave.  Someone had taken a picture of my grandparents grave and linked him to another person that had the same last name that was buried in the same cemetery.  Someone else left flowers that they wished they could have known my grandfather as their grandmother was his sister.  They then added parents to my grandfather.  My grandfather had 3 brothers and no sisters and I have the records for his parents.  It took me some time and messages to the party who took the picture to release the data so I could put in the correct information and take control of his grave site.  I realize the person was trying to build a family tree but just checking the local records, my grandfather died in 1985, would have shown he was no relative, just had the same last name.  I have been struggling to get corrections in records in both Ancestry and Familysearch and Findagrave but it is a big task,Good luck  Neal Degner mail@guth-degner.com On Thursday, December 19, 2019, 08:58:29 AM CST, Gary Rebholz <gary.rebholz@gmail.com> wrote: Are you serious about your German-American family research? If you belong to a genealogy organization you might want to consider this simple project: ask 3-4 like-minded members to look for their own families in the 'members trees' posted at Ancestry and familysearch or other sites and record results of 'tree accuracy'. Then ask your org. to host a panel discussion on the findings. After a casual search, I've taken a month's subscription at ancestry just to be able to send messages to offer corrections to a dozen online trees. That's just a start: I'm going to spend the entire month sending messages. The linking of bad information from tree to tree is one of the main problems. However it's clear some users are just guessing based on similar names and dates with no concern for accuracy. The desperation of one family to claim their German origins has 3-4 generations of my Schumacher tree in Milwaukee pasted on their Iowa tree. There's no actual connection and I know that my family came directly from the Köln area to Milwaukee, WI USA. A Lederer family researcher has tried to change my ancestor's name to fit their tree so they can claim his Bavarian origins as their own - there's no evidence of any connection at all other than Ozaukee County, WI, and there's clear contradiction of the families religious culture. Ancestry is clearly aware of this issue over the years. They've added the 'tag' feature recently which is helpful and I'm using it. I think they should include a 'disputed connection' tag for others to steer someone in the right direction. Or have all entries marked as 'research in progress' until switched to 'confirmed'. How about awarding 'accuracy' awards to member trees based on the thoroughness of legitimate sources and citations? We know there are other suggestions that would minimize some of the really bad postings. Any takers to the challenge? Any further suggestions? _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/germans-wi@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    12/20/2019 06:32:59
    1. [GERMANS-WI] A challenge for the GERMANS-WI list in 2020
    2. Gary Rebholz
    3. Are you serious about your German-American family research? If you belong to a genealogy organization you might want to consider this simple project: ask 3-4 like-minded members to look for their own families in the 'members trees' posted at Ancestry and familysearch or other sites and record results of 'tree accuracy'. Then ask your org. to host a panel discussion on the findings. After a casual search, I've taken a month's subscription at ancestry just to be able to send messages to offer corrections to a dozen online trees. That's just a start: I'm going to spend the entire month sending messages. The linking of bad information from tree to tree is one of the main problems. However it's clear some users are just guessing based on similar names and dates with no concern for accuracy. The desperation of one family to claim their German origins has 3-4 generations of my Schumacher tree in Milwaukee pasted on their Iowa tree. There's no actual connection and I know that my family came directly from the Köln area to Milwaukee, WI USA. A Lederer family researcher has tried to change my ancestor's name to fit their tree so they can claim his Bavarian origins as their own - there's no evidence of any connection at all other than Ozaukee County, WI, and there's clear contradiction of the families religious culture. Ancestry is clearly aware of this issue over the years. They've added the 'tag' feature recently which is helpful and I'm using it. I think they should include a 'disputed connection' tag for others to steer someone in the right direction. Or have all entries marked as 'research in progress' until switched to 'confirmed'. How about awarding 'accuracy' awards to member trees based on the thoroughness of legitimate sources and citations? We know there are other suggestions that would minimize some of the really bad postings. Any takers to the challenge? Any further suggestions?

    12/19/2019 07:57:05
    1. [GERMANS-WI] [EXTERNAL] "Rebholz" surname
    2. Tom Kohn
    3. Although I’m sure you’ve done much research on your family, I thought you might be interested in the meaning in German: the woody portion of a grape vine; related to “Rebstock,” a cutting for planting a new vine. Thomas Kohn Sent from the tomPhone 937.271.1484 > On Nov 20, 2019, at 01:22, germans-wi-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > "Rebholz" surname

    11/20/2019 05:30:20