Lorraine, Thanks so much for replying. I just joined the list last night so was excited to get your email. I have been working on my husband's lines in early KY and my mother's family in England and decided that i needed to learn more about my father's birth father and his family. My dad, Edward Eugene Salzmann, was born 9-21-1911 in St. Louis, MO to Edward Salzmann and Laura Stuhlmann. I'm pretty sure he was baptized Lutheran. I will try to find his baptismal record and check the church name. My dad's dad (the elder Edward Salzmann) died of consumption or TB on Christmas Eve in 1917. I found his death date on the MO GenWeb St. Louis Public Library in their obit index. I remember being told he died on Christmas Eve when my dad was very young. My grandmother's brother, George Stuhlmann, wrote in his family history only the wedding date for Edward and Laura (Nov. 2, 1910) and that he was a shoe worker. He also wrote that my grandmother, Laura, was buried next to her first husband in Mt.Zion Cemetery, St. Louis, MO, when she died. (could be a Mt. Zion church where my dad was baptized Lutheran?) My grandmother, Laura, remarried a Hungarian emigrant, Steven Schnell,June 1, 1918, and my dad was adopted by him soon after. My grandmother died when I was 16 and I don't remember her talking about her first husband or his family. My 2 sisters and I were born in St. Louis, MO, in 1941, 1943 and 1945. We remember visiting a person we called "HeeHee Grandma" because she evidently was a happy person and laughed a lot. We must have named her when we were very little. Our memories include a remembrance of a two-story type narrow row house or brownstone (though probably frame) building and sitting outside during the visit(s) on the back stairs or stoop(wooden) that was maybe a two-story stair. I remember this Grandma (who would have been our great-grandmother) was being cared for at home and was probably not too well off on that remembered visit. For some reason, one of my memories is of a wooden straight chair with an open seat.It must have been when she was close to dying. I have a photograph of a kind-looking tall, slim lady with white hair tied loosely up on top of her head. On the back, in my mother's handwriting, it says "Grandma Schubert at 70 yrs of age. Born 11-24-1860 Died 12-6-1949 at 89 yrs." I wish so much I had asked my now deceased parents more about my dad's real family and who this person was. There is another family I remember visiting and sending Christmas cards to...Bill and Martha (born Dec. 6, 1897) Jenny and their son, David, who was wounded in the eye during WW2. Our family called them Uncle Bill and Aunt Martha. They had another son, named Bill. I do not know how these people fit into our family. We just took them as "relatives" when we were smaller. I know they are not part of my dad's mother's Stuhlmann relatives nor of my mother's families. My dad was transferred to Michigan in 1951/52 and, though we made visits to St. Louis to visit relatives, we didn't see them as often. We were very close to my grandmother's Stuhlmann brothers and their families and Dad kept in contact with his cousins from that side of the family. They are all German names, but my grandmother's brother wrote a family history (genealogy) before he died and there is no Schubert or Jenny connected with them. I found a Salzmann family group in the 1880 St. Louis census and there is an Edward Salzmann, age 2, in the household of Charles and Anna (born in Hanover and Prussia respectively). This could be my Dad's real dad, although I'd have to prove or disprove that. Since this "census" Anna (whose maiden name I do not know) was born in 1844 (as per the 1880 census) it can't be the "Grandma Schubert" that my mom has a birth date of 11-24-1860 for...plus this Anna would most likely have been too old to still be alive when I was born. So, I wonder if Charles and Anna Salzmann would be the right parents for my dad's dad. I'm giving you lots of info (probably lots more than you want or need) only because I know so little about this Grandma Schubert. Thought if I gave you some more peripheral details, something might connect. I'm sorry to take so long to tell you that I know nothing more about this "Grandma Schubert". Hopefully, we will find out that there is a connection. Do you know if your Schuberts had any connection to Mt. Zion...church or cemetery? Thanks. Judy Stone