Hi, Gary - Not a thing - Here's the whole entry as it appears in the index that's at the St Louis Public Library. "This certifys that I joined together in the holy matrimony Mr John Friedrich Soelder & Louisa Hugon St. Louis, 24th August 1855. Chas Hollmann, Min. of the Gospel" I'm back to working on the particular brick wall of identifying my gggrandmother's family. This record shows yet another variant of the spelling of her maiden name. (Notice the spelling of Solter) I'm hoping I might make a St. Louis church connection.Identifying Chas. Hollmann is a shot-in-the-dark maneuver. Phyllis Solter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Stoltman" <stopan@optonline.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] HOLLMANN - Identification of a minister > Hi Phyliss: > > Do you have any addresses or an area of town? > > Gary Stoltman > Mercerville, NJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phyllis Solter" <pkessel@olywa.net> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:56 PM > Subject: [Germans-STL] HOLLMANN - Identification of a minister > > > > My gggrandfather was married to his second wife (my gggrandmother) in St. > Louis in 1855. The minister who performed the ceremony was Chas. Hollmann. > Can anyone identify this man? What church was he affiliated with? I have the > marriage as recorded in the index in 1855 - I'd like to develop some > additional information. > > > > Phyllis Solter > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A virus > that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb > mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., go > please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-SURNAMES-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German surnames, given names, etc. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Phyllis, Do you think the Rev. Chas Hollmann might be in a city directory in St. Louis? Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland in St. Louis -----Original Message----- From: Phyllis Solter [mailto:pkessel@olywa.net] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:34 PM To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] HOLLMANN - Identification of a minister Hi, Gary - Not a thing - Here's the whole entry as it appears in the index that's at the St Louis Public Library. "This certifys that I joined together in the holy matrimony Mr John Friedrich Soelder & Louisa Hugon St. Louis, 24th August 1855. Chas Hollmann, Min. of the Gospel" I'm back to working on the particular brick wall of identifying my gggrandmother's family. This record shows yet another variant of the spelling of her maiden name. (Notice the spelling of Solter) I'm hoping I might make a St. Louis church connection.Identifying Chas. Hollmann is a shot-in-the-dark maneuver. Phyllis Solter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Stoltman" <stopan@optonline.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] HOLLMANN - Identification of a minister > Hi Phyliss: > > Do you have any addresses or an area of town? > > Gary Stoltman > Mercerville, NJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phyllis Solter" <pkessel@olywa.net> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:56 PM > Subject: [Germans-STL] HOLLMANN - Identification of a minister > > > > My gggrandfather was married to his second wife (my gggrandmother) in St. > Louis in 1855. The minister who performed the ceremony was Chas. Hollmann. > Can anyone identify this man? What church was he affiliated with? I have the > marriage as recorded in the index in 1855 - I'd like to develop some > additional information. > > > > Phyllis Solter > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A virus > that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb > mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., go > please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-SURNAMES-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German surnames, given names, etc. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Phyliss: All I've been able to find is Volume 7, pg 398 in the City marriage records. There were some Hugons in Crawford County (Osage). Both names look to be French & possibly from 1700s Canada. But, back to the search. These first two look to be candidates- St. Louis City Death Records, 1850-1908 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Name Death Date Birth Place Cemetery Address Charles Hollmann 23 May 1886 Poor House Chas Hollmann 11 Sep 1867 Usa Wesleyan 809 N 8th St Chas Hy Hollmann 16 May 1869 1829 S 10th Source Information: St. Louis Genealogical Society, comp. St. Louis City Death Records, 1850-1908. [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2001. Original data: St. Louis Genealogical Society. Index to Death Records in the City of St. Louis, 1850-1908. St. Louis, MO: St. Louis Genealogical Society, 1999. --------------------------------------------- Here's a thin one. There's a Charles C., 15 yrs. son of Henry C. & Kate of both males are listed as bricklayers in the 1880 census. They are from Washington, Mo. not far from StL. Henry & Kate were born in Germany. Charles is their eldest and was born in Mo so they've been there since at least 1865. Nephew? This might be your boy! 1880 United States Federal Census ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Name: Charles HOLLMANN Age: 58 Estimated birth year: <1822> Birthplace: LIPPE DETMOLD Occupation: Minister Of Gospel Relation: Self Home in 1880: Pepperton, Stevens, Minnesota Marital status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Head of household: Charles HOLLMANN Father's birthplace: DETMOLD Mother's birthplace: DETMOLD Cannot read/write: Blind: Deaf and dumb: Otherwise disabled: Idiotic or insane: Image Source: Year: 1880; Census Place: Pepperton, Stevens, Minnesota; Roll: T9_635; Family History Film: 1254635; Page: 183D; Enumeration District: 19; Image: 0372. -------------------------------------------------------------- My wife has one of these "traveling" ministers from the same Washington area. Never seemed to have much money and frequently moved. Some weren't associated with any church but performed ceremony at just about any ol' place. Of course, I'm not sure he's one of them but is quite possibly the brother of Henry. I'd look into the one that died in the poorhouse in 1886. ------------------------------------------ And then, there's this one: St. Louis, Missouri Directories, 1889-1890 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: John F. Hollmann Location 2: r. rear 2316 North Market Year: 1890 City: St. Louis State: MO Source Information: St. Louis City Directory, 1889. St. Louis, MO: Gould Directory Co., 1889. St. Louis City Directory, 1890. St. Louis, MO: Gould Directory Co., 1890. ---------------------------------------------------------- That's all I have. Good hunting Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Solter" <pkessel@olywa.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] HOLLMANN - Identification of a minister > Hi, Gary - Not a thing - Here's the whole entry as it appears in the index > that's at the St Louis Public Library. > "This certifys that I joined together in the holy matrimony Mr John > Friedrich Soelder & Louisa Hugon St. Louis, 24th August 1855. Chas Hollmann, > Min. of the Gospel" > > I'm back to working on the particular brick wall of identifying my > gggrandmother's family. This record shows yet another variant of the > spelling of her maiden name. (Notice the spelling of Solter) I'm hoping I > might make a St. Louis church connection.Identifying Chas. Hollmann is a > shot-in-the-dark maneuver. > > Phyllis Solter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Stoltman" <stopan@optonline.net> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] HOLLMANN - Identification of a minister > > > > Hi Phyliss: > > > > Do you have any addresses or an area of town? > > > > Gary Stoltman > > Mercerville, NJ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Phyllis Solter" <pkessel@olywa.net> > > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:56 PM > > Subject: [Germans-STL] HOLLMANN - Identification of a minister > > > > > > > My gggrandfather was married to his second wife (my gggrandmother) in > St. > > Louis in 1855. The minister who performed the ceremony was Chas. Hollmann. > > Can anyone identify this man? What church was he affiliated with? I have > the > > marriage as recorded in the index in 1855 - I'd like to develop some > > additional information. > > > > > > Phyllis Solter > > > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A > virus > > that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb > > mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., > go > > please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Gary - Thanks so much for all your good time on my Hollmann question. Now - if there's anyone out there who can identify Marie Isabel Hugen (married, St Louis Oct 1852 to Fred Klaver who died May 1883)and Louisa Hugon (married St Louis to Frederick Solter August 1855 - died 1873) as sisters - that would be my prize of the year. (Marie Hugen Klaver married Frederick Solter, widower, in St Louis in 1884 - Frederick got on the train and came from Sedgwick County, Kansas to marry her) I am sure they're sisters. I just can't document it.!! Phyllis Solter