Hi Ginny: You might have better luck searching for the Court order that put Lena there to begin with. Hopefully she was a citizen of Farmington - not StL - try looking in the St. Francois County Probate records (Farmington is the County seat, I believe) as there would have been a hearing. There should be quite a bit of information available in this file and will give you a starting point - much easier than trying to work backwards. Good hunting Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginny C" <ggineil@cybertrails.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on Arsenal Street, St. Louis > Hi Kathy and All, > There must be a way here. My mother's uncle was in Farmington for many > years(died there in 1960), and they told me I needed a lawyer to get a court > order. In fact, my last letter to them was returned, even tho it had the > same address as the first letter telling me I needed the lawyer. His only > two brothers died many years ago, and my mother and an aunt were the > "caretakers" and they have both been gone since 1982 and 1991. The uncle had > a wife from whom he had separated but never had children. I have about given > up. I am wondering if anyone in the St. Louis Genealogy Society would be of > any help. > Ginny in AZ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Wieland" <kathy@craftsbykathy.com> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:54 AM > Subject: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on > Arsenal Street, St. Louis > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > I would like to obtain records for Lena Wieland, a patient in 1910 at the > > > > State Hospital #4 in Farmington, MO. In 1920 Lena is a resident at > > > > the Sanitarium on Arsenal Street. > > > > > > > > I have been told that her records from these institutions may be > > > > available to family members with a court order. Can anyone tell me > > > > what kind of court order I need or how to proceed with this? > > > > > > > > This list has always been a great source of information, and I'm > > > > hoping that someone out there can guide me. > > > > > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland > > > > Researching Goedeker, Wieland, Hohenstein, Guelker, Timmer, Jennings > > > > and Schott of Apple Creek, MO > > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > OLD-GERMAN-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or > historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in > German from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old > German words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To > subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:OLD-GERMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail > Mode) or mailto:OLD-GERMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > OLD-GERMAN-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in German from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old German words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:OLD-GERMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:OLD-GERMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Gary, I put the question out about Lena Wieland. Lena was living in St. Louis at the time she was committed. Where in St. Louis should I look for the court order? Great idea, Gary. Thank you for your insight. Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland in St. Louis, MO Researching Goedeker, Wieland, Guelker, Hohenstein, Reeder, and Schott of Apple Creek, MO -----Original Message----- From: Gary Stoltman [mailto:stopan@optonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:43 PM To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on Arsenal Street, St. Louis Hi Ginny: You might have better luck searching for the Court order that put Lena there to begin with. Hopefully she was a citizen of Farmington - not StL - try looking in the St. Francois County Probate records (Farmington is the County seat, I believe) as there would have been a hearing. There should be quite a bit of information available in this file and will give you a starting point - much easier than trying to work backwards. Good hunting Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginny C" <ggineil@cybertrails.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on Arsenal Street, St. Louis > Hi Kathy and All, > There must be a way here. My mother's uncle was in Farmington for many > years(died there in 1960), and they told me I needed a lawyer to get a court > order. In fact, my last letter to them was returned, even tho it had the > same address as the first letter telling me I needed the lawyer. His only > two brothers died many years ago, and my mother and an aunt were the > "caretakers" and they have both been gone since 1982 and 1991. The uncle had > a wife from whom he had separated but never had children. I have about given > up. I am wondering if anyone in the St. Louis Genealogy Society would be of > any help. > Ginny in AZ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Wieland" <kathy@craftsbykathy.com> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:54 AM > Subject: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on > Arsenal Street, St. Louis > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > I would like to obtain records for Lena Wieland, a patient in 1910 at the > > > > State Hospital #4 in Farmington, MO. In 1920 Lena is a resident at > > > > the Sanitarium on Arsenal Street. > > > > > > > > I have been told that her records from these institutions may be > > > > available to family members with a court order. Can anyone tell me > > > > what kind of court order I need or how to proceed with this? > > > > > > > > This list has always been a great source of information, and I'm > > > > hoping that someone out there can guide me. > > > > > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland > > > > Researching Goedeker, Wieland, Hohenstein, Guelker, Timmer, Jennings > > > > and Schott of Apple Creek, MO > > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > OLD-GERMAN-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or > historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in > German from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old > German words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. 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Ginny: Never tried to dig that sort of info out of StL but the Probate court records have them in other Missouri counties. I'm sending to the StL rootsweb list for others to comment. Gary Stoltman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Wieland" <kathy@craftsbykathy.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 7:33 AM Subject: RE: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on Arsenal Street, St. Louis > Hi Gary, > I put the question out about Lena Wieland. Lena was living in St. Louis at > the time she was committed. Where in St. Louis should I look for the court > order? > > Great idea, Gary. Thank you for your insight. > > Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland in St. Louis, MO > Researching Goedeker, Wieland, Guelker, Hohenstein, Reeder, > and Schott of Apple Creek, MO > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Stoltman [mailto:stopan@optonline.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:43 PM > To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on > Arsenal Street, St. Louis > > Hi Ginny: > > You might have better luck searching for the Court order that put Lena there > to begin with. Hopefully she was a citizen of Farmington - not StL - try > looking in the St. Francois County Probate records (Farmington is the County > seat, I believe) as there would have been a hearing. There should be quite a > bit of information available in this file and will give you a starting > point - much easier than trying to work backwards. Good hunting > > Gary Stoltman > Mercerville, NJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ginny C" <ggineil@cybertrails.com> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on > Arsenal Street, St. Louis > > > > Hi Kathy and All, > > There must be a way here. My mother's uncle was in Farmington for many > > years(died there in 1960), and they told me I needed a lawyer to get a > court > > order. In fact, my last letter to them was returned, even tho it had the > > same address as the first letter telling me I needed the lawyer. His only > > two brothers died many years ago, and my mother and an aunt were the > > "caretakers" and they have both been gone since 1982 and 1991. The uncle > had > > a wife from whom he had separated but never had children. I have about > given > > up. I am wondering if anyone in the St. Louis Genealogy Society would be > of > > any help. > > Ginny in AZ > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kathy Wieland" <kathy@craftsbykathy.com> > > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:54 AM > > Subject: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on > > Arsenal Street, St. Louis > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > I would like to obtain records for Lena Wieland, a patient in 1910 at > the > > > > > > State Hospital #4 in Farmington, MO. In 1920 Lena is a resident at > > > > > > the Sanitarium on Arsenal Street. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been told that her records from these institutions may be > > > > > > available to family members with a court order. Can anyone tell me > > > > > > what kind of court order I need or how to proceed with this? > > > > > > > > > > > > This list has always been a great source of information, and I'm > > > > > > hoping that someone out there can guide me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks, > > > > > > Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland > > > > > > Researching Goedeker, Wieland, Hohenstein, Guelker, Timmer, Jennings > > > > > > and Schott of Apple Creek, MO > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > > OLD-GERMAN-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or > > historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in > > German from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old > > German words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. 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