I just received a copy of a 1920 obituary for Christian Schmid. It states that he was a member of Brewers' Union, Local No. 6, and St. Louis Schwabenverein. Can someone please tell me what the Schwabenverein might be? Thank you in advance for your help. Frances

on 6/7/04 10:44 PM, LuvKUHawks@aol.com at LuvKUHawks@aol.com wrote: > I just received a copy of a 1920 obituary for Christian Schmid. It states > that he was a member of Brewers' Union, Local No. 6, and St. Louis > Schwabenverein. > Can someone please tell me what the Schwabenverein might be? > Thank you in advance for your help. > Frances > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical > interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from > earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, > phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe > to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or > mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > Frances -- Others may have more information but I feel the Schwabenverein was an organization for German-speakers who came from Hungary, what now is Yugoslavia, and Romania. These folks are known as Donauschawben -- they got the name because they took the Donau (Danube) from parts of Germany, Alsace-Lorraine etc. to settle areas that were part of the Austro-Hungarian empire in the mid-1700s primarily. I know the Donauschwaben still have an active organization and have a nice facility on Jefferson Ave. in South St. Louis. They built the facility from money selling bratwursts at St. Louis' big German festival, the Strassenfest. I forgot to mention that Germans who settled throughout eastern Europe were also called Volksdeutsch. My grandfather was a Donauschwab and he may have been unusualy be he always identified himself as Hungarian and not German, although his written and spoken language was German. Culturally he didn't associate with other "true" Germans in St. Louis but socialized with other "Schwobs" as they're often called. Hope this helps. Mark Wiehe, Columbia, MO.

My mother is from Bavaria and the dialect she speaks is called Schwaben. The language is very close to Yiddish. When my dad was in the service he said the soldiers from New York who spoke Yiddish had no trouble communicating with the locals. I was told once that Schwabens were hillbilly Germans. Needless to say a fight started. When I would speak to my grandmother I could understand the regular German but as soon as she switched to the dialect I was lost. Is this language the same as the name of the organization? Just wondering. Lisa Dunn Washougal, Washington Gateway to the Columbia River Gorge Searching for Becker, Saeger, Kramer, Eberle and Schwinn On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, at 08:28 AM, Mark Wiehe wrote: > on 6/7/04 10:44 PM, LuvKUHawks@aol.com at LuvKUHawks@aol.com wrote: > >> I just received a copy of a 1920 obituary for Christian Schmid. It >> states >> that he was a member of Brewers' Union, Local No. 6, and St. Louis >> Schwabenverein. >> Can someone please tell me what the Schwabenverein might be? >> Thank you in advance for your help. >> Frances >> >> >> ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== >> LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or >> historical >> interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin >> from >> earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin >> words, >> phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send >> subscribe >> to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or >> mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> > Frances -- Others may have more information but I feel the > Schwabenverein > was an organization for German-speakers who came from Hungary, what > now is > Yugoslavia, and Romania. These folks are known as Donauschawben -- > they got > the name because they took the Donau (Danube) from parts of Germany, > Alsace-Lorraine etc. to settle areas that were part of the > Austro-Hungarian > empire in the mid-1700s primarily. I know the Donauschwaben still have > an > active organization and have a nice facility on Jefferson Ave. in > South St. > Louis. They built the facility from money selling bratwursts at St. > Louis' > big German festival, the Strassenfest. I forgot to mention that > Germans who > settled throughout eastern Europe were also called Volksdeutsch. My > grandfather was a Donauschwab and he may have been unusualy be he > always > identified himself as Hungarian and not German, although his written > and > spoken language was German. Culturally he didn't associate with other > "true" > Germans in St. Louis but socialized with other "Schwobs" as they're > often > called. Hope this helps. Mark Wiehe, Columbia, MO. > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, > cultural or historical interest in German traditions. Anything that > concerns traditions, culture, folklore, heritage, or why not old > recipes and daily life in ancient times in Germany or former German > areas is an appropriate topic. To subscribe click on > mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe > (Mail Mode) or > mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe > (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >