<< a street in Clayton named Carondelet>> Hi Paulette: The folks in Clayton pronounce it the same way. During my time theree, I never heard it differently. Welcome back. Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: <RiverbluffBlues@aol.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 1:17 AM Subject: [Germans-STL] Carondelet > Hi everyone, after almost a year (hard drive crashed) I've finally gotten > back on line. Nobody could be happier than me. I noticed the emails about > Carondelet. Since I grew up there and my Dad's family lived there before it was > annexed by St. Louis (1870), I thought I would jump in. Residents always > called it Carondele"t" nor "Carondelay". The town was named for the Spanish > governor who actually was Flemish (see below-also correct pronunciation). My family > never referred to themselves as living in South St. Louis. They always > referred to themselves as living in Carondelet. I can't remember the name of the > movie, it escapes me now - it was the one with Kevin Costner and the JFK murder > conspiracy. Anyway, in the movie the street in New Orleans by that named was > also pronounced Carondele"t". like the area in South St. Louis. The only > time I have ever heard it pronounced Carondelay was in a bookstore in Clayton. > There is a street in Clayton named Carondelet. It was named after the town of > Carondelet so I would think the correct pronunciation would be what the > natives of Carondelet called it. Not that that couldn't be wrong - look at the way > the River des Peres is mispronounced. Was it Tom Brokaw who pronounced it > correctly in 1993 (the flood) and created a stir? > > Nice to be back, > Paulette > > FROM: > http://reference.allrefer.com/encyclopedia/C/Carondel.html > Carondelet, Francisco Luis Hector, baron de[frAnthEs´kO lOOEs´ ektOr´ bArOn´ > dA kArOndAlet´], c.1748–1807, governor of Louisiana (1791–97) and West > Florida (1791–95), b. Noyelles, Flanders. He married into the Las Casas family, > prominent in Spanish colonial affairs. He came to New Orleans from the > governorship of Salvador and was unfortunately not well informed about Louisiana > problems. Ignorant of the English language and local customs, and faced with > conflicting rumors of American hostility, he became convinced in 1792 that the > Americans were planning to invade Louisiana. With unwarranted aggressiveness, he > stirred up the Native Americans of the Southwest, concluding an alliance with four > great tribes and establishing Spanish posts in their territory. He revived > intrigues with Kentucky frontiersmen looking toward the establishment of an > independent state in the West. Relations between Spain and the United States were > severely taxed. After Carondelet was replaced by Manuel Gayoso de Lemos, he was > made president of the audiencia and governor-general of Quito (1799–1807). > See A. P. Whitaker, The Spanish-American Frontier, 1783–1795 (1927, repr. > 1969). > > From: > http://gatewayno.com/history/Carondelet.html > > Francisco Luis Hector de Carondelet, b. July 29, 1747, d. Aug. 10, 1807, was > the Spanish governor-general of Louisiana and West Florida in the period > following the American Revolution. A Fleming, he was named Spanish governor of San > Salvador in 1789. Then, in 1791, he was posted to New Orleans. By military > reorganization, the construction of forts, and an alliance (1793) with the > Southern Indian tribes, Carondelet kept the American frontiersmen from advancing > westward for a decade. He continued the so-called Spanish Conspiracy with he U.S. > double-agent James Wilkinson. At the same time, he quelled attempts to > overthrow the government in Louisiana and West Florida and made notable economic > improvements in these Spanish provinces, particularly in New Orleans and its > environs. Leaving Louisiana in 1797, Carondelet was president of Quito from 1799 > to 1807. > Bibliography: Holmes, J. D. L., Gayoso: The Life of a Spanish Governor in the > Mississippi Valley 1789-1799 (1965); Whitaker, A. P., The Spanish-American > Frontier, 1783-1795 (1927; repr. 1969) > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A virus that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., go please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ >