In a message dated 2/10/04 6:51:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, ThomaGene@aol.com writes: > My grandfather, Erven Thake was a Mason I believe my cousin, Shonee Sandherr is from this same family. Her father, Erven Sandherr married my aunt, Huldah Kerkmann. His mother was a Thake I believe. There's a website that lists the Thake family with Hudlah and Erven included.