Greetings, Everyone! The latest installment of the Bethlehem Lutheran Church records has been put online at http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com This is the group of marriages from 1850 - 1874. As always, you must have an open mind with respect to the spelling. Remember that in German B and P, F and V, W and V can be used interchangeably. There are several names that I recognize from Washington, Clinton and St. Clair Counties in Illinois. There are also a couple of Madison County names in here. Good luck in your searches. Gloria

Thanks Gary for looking. It is an easy name to mis-spell which is part of the problem of tracking him. As far as I know he didn't marry until he finally ended up in Elko, NV where he spent the rest of his life. Family lore also says he had a freight company in either San Francisco or Sacramento which I can't find either!! I DO know he was a gold miner in Plumas County California as I did find him there after he left St. Louis. Thanks again Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Stoltman To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com ; jglaser@surewest.net Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] GGrandfather Glaser Jane: Didn't find a Mathias or Johann/John Glaser in 1850 StL. Below is listed as MATHIS in Cincinnati. Looks like he's the MATHIAS who served in the Civil War and his wife's name looks to be Katherine. Might be a father or uncle Mathias who looks to have been born in 1810 per 1870 census. There is only one Glazer found in Buffalo and is Joseph, 29, a laborer, with Teresa 35, both from Germany (City of Buffalo, pg. 485) 1850 census. Database: 1850 United States Federal Census ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Name: Glaser, Mathis Year: 1850 Copy County: Montgomery Township: Harrison Twp State: Ohio Page: 294 Not available Source Information: Jackson, Ronald V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp. 1850 United States Federal Census. [database on-line] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 1999-. Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the 1850 U.S. Federal Decennial Census.1850 United States Federal Census. [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2001. Data imaged from National Archives and Records Administration. 1850 Federal Population Census. M432, 1,009 rolls. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration. ------------------------------------------------------ ---------- Good hunting Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Glaser" <jglaser@surewest.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] GGrandfather Glaser > I guess my next step would be to look in the LDS microfiche > Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Doerr > To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] GGrandfather Glaser > > > St. Louis City directories on LDS microfiche go back to 1822. Well, 1822 was > reprinted in the 1854 or so. > > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cslimmiemc" <cslimmiemc@netzero.net> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] GGrandfather Glaser > > > > I was at the main library in St. Louis today. Unfortunately, the city > > directories only go back to 1860. Maybe someone else has an idea or two. > > Carol in St. Louis > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jane Glaser" <jglaser@surewest.net> > > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:36 PM > > Subject: [Germans-STL] GGrandfather Glaser > > > > > > > Am trying to find the way west of my husbands GGrandfather Mathias > Glaser. > > Family lore says he left Buffalo in 1848 and stayed in St. Louis until > 1852 > > when he moved on to the gold fields in California. 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Hi Laura, Thanks for looking . Quite possible GG Grandpa Henry ROAK / ROKE and family headed for Grundy Co. Morris ILL by 1863. Henry's children were all young during the Civil War. Fred was b. 1849 Charles b.March , 1850 /51 William b. 1855 and young Henry b. 1856/ 57 . Depending on what census or document you believe. I also looked to see if any other member of the family may have fought in the War , but found nothing . Henry was a Coal Miner along with his Sons . The boys later Owned and operated Saloons and remained in that field , as far as I have found . Thanks again for your help and suggestions , they are definitely appreciated. Joyce joycespike@geneseo.net

Jane: Didn't find a Mathias or Johann/John Glaser in 1850 StL. Below is listed as MATHIS in Cincinnati. Looks like he's the MATHIAS who served in the Civil War and his wife's name looks to be Katherine. Might be a father or uncle Mathias who looks to have been born in 1810 per 1870 census. There is only one Glazer found in Buffalo and is Joseph, 29, a laborer, with Teresa 35, both from Germany (City of Buffalo, pg. 485) 1850 census. Database: 1850 United States Federal Census ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Name: Glaser, Mathis Year: 1850 Copy County: Montgomery Township: Harrison Twp State: Ohio Page: 294 Not available Source Information: Jackson, Ronald V., Accelerated Indexing Systems, comp. 1850 United States Federal Census. [database on-line] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 1999-. Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the 1850 U.S. Federal Decennial Census.1850 United States Federal Census. [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2001. Data imaged from National Archives and Records Administration. 1850 Federal Population Census. M432, 1,009 rolls. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration. ------------------------------------------------------ ---------- Good hunting Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Glaser" <jglaser@surewest.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] GGrandfather Glaser > I guess my next step would be to look in the LDS microfiche > Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Doerr > To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:25 PM > Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] GGrandfather Glaser > > > St. Louis City directories on LDS microfiche go back to 1822. Well, 1822 was > reprinted in the 1854 or so. > > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cslimmiemc" <cslimmiemc@netzero.net> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] GGrandfather Glaser > > > > I was at the main library in St. Louis today. Unfortunately, the city > > directories only go back to 1860. Maybe someone else has an idea or two. > > Carol in St. Louis > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jane Glaser" <jglaser@surewest.net> > > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:36 PM > > Subject: [Germans-STL] GGrandfather Glaser > > > > > > > Am trying to find the way west of my husbands GGrandfather Mathias > Glaser. > > Family lore says he left Buffalo in 1848 and stayed in St. Louis until > 1852 > > when he moved on to the gold fields in California. 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I guess my next step would be to look in the LDS microfiche Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Doerr To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] GGrandfather Glaser St. Louis City directories on LDS microfiche go back to 1822. Well, 1822 was reprinted in the 1854 or so. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ----- Original Message ----- From: "cslimmiemc" <cslimmiemc@netzero.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] GGrandfather Glaser > I was at the main library in St. Louis today. Unfortunately, the city > directories only go back to 1860. Maybe someone else has an idea or two. > Carol in St. Louis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Glaser" <jglaser@surewest.net> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:36 PM > Subject: [Germans-STL] GGrandfather Glaser > > > > Am trying to find the way west of my husbands GGrandfather Mathias Glaser. > Family lore says he left Buffalo in 1848 and stayed in St. Louis until 1852 > when he moved on to the gold fields in California. Any way I can find him in > St. Louis in this time period? > > Thanks, Jane Glaser > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list > mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > (digest mode) – Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list > related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) – Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Thanks Carol for looking. I have been slowly going through the census. Lots of folks in St Louis in 1850!! ----- Original Message ----- From: cslimmiemc To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] GGrandfather Glaser I was at the main library in St. Louis today. Unfortunately, the city directories only go back to 1860. Maybe someone else has an idea or two. Carol in St. Louis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Glaser" <jglaser@surewest.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: [Germans-STL] GGrandfather Glaser > Am trying to find the way west of my husbands GGrandfather Mathias Glaser. Family lore says he left Buffalo in 1848 and stayed in St. Louis until 1852 when he moved on to the gold fields in California. Any way I can find him in St. Louis in this time period? > Thanks, Jane Glaser > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) – Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) – Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Carol , How often did the City Directories come out ? . Do you recall if there were any for 1863/ 64 or 65 ? . I am having the same problem, found my Henry ROAK / ROKE in St Louis Census 1860 . Don't know exactly when they came there . Census say 1857 family came to US . Can't find them on any ship . Think they docked in Louisiana , but no proof . Found them in Grundy Co, Morris ILL census 1870 " ROKE ". From then on name was ROAK . Does your Library have much info on immigrants who lived in St Louis at that time ? . Thanks for any info you might have , will be greatly appreciated . Sincerely Joyce joycespike@geneseo.net

St. Louis City directories on LDS microfiche go back to 1822. Well, 1822 was reprinted in the 1854 or so. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ----- Original Message ----- From: "cslimmiemc" <cslimmiemc@netzero.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] GGrandfather Glaser > I was at the main library in St. Louis today. Unfortunately, the city > directories only go back to 1860. Maybe someone else has an idea or two. > Carol in St. Louis > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Glaser" <jglaser@surewest.net> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:36 PM > Subject: [Germans-STL] GGrandfather Glaser > > > > Am trying to find the way west of my husbands GGrandfather Mathias Glaser. > Family lore says he left Buffalo in 1848 and stayed in St. Louis until 1852 > when he moved on to the gold fields in California. Any way I can find him in > St. Louis in this time period? > > Thanks, Jane Glaser > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list > mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > (digest mode) – Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list > related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) – Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I was at the main library in St. Louis today. Unfortunately, the city directories only go back to 1860. Maybe someone else has an idea or two. Carol in St. Louis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Glaser" <jglaser@surewest.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 10:36 PM Subject: [Germans-STL] GGrandfather Glaser > Am trying to find the way west of my husbands GGrandfather Mathias Glaser. Family lore says he left Buffalo in 1848 and stayed in St. Louis until 1852 when he moved on to the gold fields in California. Any way I can find him in St. Louis in this time period? > Thanks, Jane Glaser > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) – Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Am trying to find the way west of my husbands GGrandfather Mathias Glaser. Family lore says he left Buffalo in 1848 and stayed in St. Louis until 1852 when he moved on to the gold fields in California. Any way I can find him in St. Louis in this time period? Thanks, Jane Glaser

Hello list, I am hoping someone on here can help me. I just bought a book at a flea market, it is in all German, hand written, it appears too me minutes or some kind of record for an Womans orgainization in St. Louis.. The first dates in it are Mar 1912. It is a large book much like court records were hand written in. I went on line and typed part of what is on page one to get a translation. Protokoll Buch des Schweizer Frauen Verein Edelweiss gergrundet den 17den Mar 2 1912 in der Schweizerhall Arsenal St. and Iowa Ave. St. Louis Mo. Frauen Sektion des Nerd Amerikanischen Schweizerbundes vom ST. Louis Grutle Verein. TRANSLATION was: Protocol book of the Swiss woman society white gergrundet the 17den Mar 2,1912 in the Swiss hall arsenal St. and Iowa Ave. St. Louis Mo. Women section of the Nerd of American Swiss alliance of the ST. Louis Grutle society. Does anyone know of this organization? There were also four more books that look like maybe dues, I am assuming they are of the same group. There are many womens names mentioned. Sharon

I want to thank everyone who has been so kind as to point me some very good directions in my search. You are a very good list to join. Karen Moore Kerr __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

Tanks so much for your reply. Yes, The Wakenhauser you found from Shelbyville, Illinois marriage license is my great great grandfather. I'm trying to find his parents, he was born on the ship Hercules in 1836 or 37 and they settled in Highland area, I guess that would be Illinois or Missouri, he lived the first 19 years of his life in the Highland area.He was Joseph Wikenhauser although the name was spelled wrong on the marriage license, I think his father was Laurence Wikenhauser but know nothing on his mother. The Wickenhauser you found are probably my family , will have to dig deeper. I am searching from the 1850's.But Anything is appreciated.on that name or the different spellings. Johnnie J. jjaustin@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Stoltman" <stopan@optonline.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Wikenhauser > Hi Johnnie: > > Found no Wikenhausers. There was a H. Wickenhauser in Wood River who ran for > a poitical posision 2 Mar 1934 as reported by the Edwardsville > Intellingencer. John W. was mentioned in a real estate transaction in 1937. > You didn't provide a time period but these are probably too late. Yours from > the 1850s? > > Found a Wakenhauser. > > Database: Illinois Marriage Records, 1851-1900 > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > Name Spouse Marriage Date County State > > WAKENHAUSER, JOSEPH KENNEDY, SARAH ANN 4 Dec 1856 Shelby IL > > > Source Information: > Dodd, Jordan R., Liahona Research, comp. Illinois Marriage > Records, 1851-1900. [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2001-. > Original data: See extended description for original data sources listed by > county. > ----------------------------------------------------- > > There were also Wikenhouser's in the area but not reported until 1930s > > Good hunting > > Gary Stoltman > Mercerville, NJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jjaustin" <jjaustin@comcast.net> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 12:18 PM > Subject: [Germans-STL] Wikenhauser > > > > Looking for my great great grandfather Laurence > Wikenhauser/Wickenhauser/Wakenhauser/Wikenhouser > > this is all the different spellings I have ran across. > > I'm pretty sure they settled around St.Louis and Highland area from > Prussia. Any info would be helpful. Thank you in advance. > > Johnnie J. > > jjaustin@comcast.net > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > GERMAN-SURNAMES-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, > cultural or historical interest in German surnames, given names, etc. To > subscribe click on > mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) > or mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest > Mode) > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Johnnie: Found no Wikenhausers. There was a H. Wickenhauser in Wood River who ran for a poitical posision 2 Mar 1934 as reported by the Edwardsville Intellingencer. John W. was mentioned in a real estate transaction in 1937. You didn't provide a time period but these are probably too late. Yours from the 1850s? Found a Wakenhauser. Database: Illinois Marriage Records, 1851-1900 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Name Spouse Marriage Date County State WAKENHAUSER, JOSEPH KENNEDY, SARAH ANN 4 Dec 1856 Shelby IL Source Information: Dodd, Jordan R., Liahona Research, comp. Illinois Marriage Records, 1851-1900. [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2001-. Original data: See extended description for original data sources listed by county. ----------------------------------------------------- There were also Wikenhouser's in the area but not reported until 1930s Good hunting Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "jjaustin" <jjaustin@comcast.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 12:18 PM Subject: [Germans-STL] Wikenhauser > Looking for my great great grandfather Laurence Wikenhauser/Wickenhauser/Wakenhauser/Wikenhouser > this is all the different spellings I have ran across. > I'm pretty sure they settled around St.Louis and Highland area from Prussia. Any info would be helpful. Thank you in advance. > Johnnie J. > jjaustin@comcast.net > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-SURNAMES-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German surnames, given names, etc. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

I don't know if this will be of any help to you or not, but at http://www.genealogienetz.de/misc/emig/pass1.html you will find a long list. The top part of the list is for the name. This microfilm will tell you a date and I guess, a page number. Then, look for that date at the bottom of this link for another roll of microfilm. This is a copy of the passport application. If nothing else, perhaps it will narrow down your time frame. I looked, hoping it was from Germany to America, but it seems to be the other way. Perhaps someone else knows more about this, and can add something to this. Carol from St. Louis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen K" <kerrweinc2002@yahoo.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 1:44 PM Subject: [Germans-STL] German Emmigrants > I think that I have a unique problem in tracing my gg > grandfather's part of the tree. His name was Peter > Mueller/Miller. The information that I have pieced > together from the Family Bible,census,and marriage > records seems to be that he came to the U.S. with his > parents before 1850 and they were in St.Louis. In 1865 > he married in Perry Co. Mo. I found him on the 1870 > census. It says he was from Prussia. By 1880 his > American wife had died. He left his two young children > with friends in two different Mo. counties and > returned to Germany. I found each of them on the > census. My g grandmother always told me that she had > expected him to come back and get her, but he never > returned. Suprisingly, I find that just before she had > married my g grandfather(in 1890) she lived in a house > in Madison Co. Mo. full of people named Miller? This > information was from a letter she had written to her > fiance. Does anyone on the list have any idea how you > find records of people that returned to their homeland > in Germany? Are there ship lists for that type of > thing? I have no idea of an exact date to search. Just > a within + or - 10 years sort of thing. > Thanks for any help or suggestions. Karen Moore Kerr > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German traditions. Anything that concerns traditions, culture, folklore, heritage, or why not old recipes and daily life in ancient times in Germany or former German areas is an appropriate topic. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

First, many thanks to the wonderful folks who have been so helpful in locating William Weitz and family in the time frame around 1910. This is one of the most helpful web sites I have found. Secondly, one very kind person found in a St. Louis, MO, city directory in 1910 that William Weitz was vice-president of the Western Cloth Glove Company, 3113 S. Broadway. My question: Could someone please tell me if this company is still in business or if it has changed its name or been bought up by some other company. Also, what kind of business would this company have been in 1910? What would the 3113 S. Broadway neighborhood have been in 1910 and today. I guess this is more than one question. Thank you so much and in advance for all your help. Frances

My G gfather WILLIAM FREDERICH UMBACH (b. Apr 4 1846) was a barber who came from Wittenberg,Germany to St. Louis......He married ELIZABETH THERESA WAX Feb 27, 1866......He also went by the name of WILLIAM BAUERLEIN--think his mother might have re-married at some point and took his step-father's last name--and later went back to UMBACH... Was wondering IF anyone would have access to newspapers from that time--and IF barbers would have put ads in the papers then.....Thanks........ ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

I think that I have a unique problem in tracing my gg grandfather's part of the tree. His name was Peter Mueller/Miller. The information that I have pieced together from the Family Bible,census,and marriage records seems to be that he came to the U.S. with his parents before 1850 and they were in St.Louis. In 1865 he married in Perry Co. Mo. I found him on the 1870 census. It says he was from Prussia. By 1880 his American wife had died. He left his two young children with friends in two different Mo. counties and returned to Germany. I found each of them on the census. My g grandmother always told me that she had expected him to come back and get her, but he never returned. Suprisingly, I find that just before she had married my g grandfather(in 1890) she lived in a house in Madison Co. Mo. full of people named Miller? This information was from a letter she had written to her fiance. Does anyone on the list have any idea how you find records of people that returned to their homeland in Germany? Are there ship lists for that type of thing? I have no idea of an exact date to search. Just a within + or - 10 years sort of thing. Thanks for any help or suggestions. Karen Moore Kerr __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools

Looking for my great great grandfather Laurence Wikenhauser/Wickenhauser/Wakenhauser/Wikenhouser this is all the different spellings I have ran across. I'm pretty sure they settled around St.Louis and Highland area from Prussia. Any info would be helpful. Thank you in advance. Johnnie J. jjaustin@comcast.net

Some links that may be of help to you: http://www.slcl.lib.mo.us/slcl/sc/sc-ev-uc-alpha.htm http://stlouis.missouri.org/neighborhoods/history/compton/churches10.htm Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: <LuvKUHawks@aol.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 9:46 AM Subject: [Germans-STL] Compton Hill Congregational Church > Is anyone familiar with Compton Hill Congregational Church? I just found > some papers that show that my grandparents, William and Helena Gaul Weitz, went > there back in 1907 and probably were married there in 1905. Is it still in > existence and where might it be located? > Thank you in advance for any help. > Frances > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German traditions. Anything that concerns traditions, culture, folklore, heritage, or why not old recipes and daily life in ancient times in Germany or former German areas is an appropriate topic. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >