Hello List Members: I joined the list yesterday, so posting my names today. I am looking for a Margareth Schueren? born abt 1825 Prussia, married #1 Nicolai Eckert before 1858, married #2 Mathias Himmer Apr 26, 1858 St. Louis. I'm not sure of the spelling of Margareth's surname, getting it from a copy of their marriage record which is in latin and old script, but looks like Schueren to me. They were married at Shrine of St. Joseph's Church. Diana Lutz, FL

Leslie, Thank you for your help. I will try that suggestuib, Teri --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time.

Is anyone doing research on the Scholl, Pfaff, Gromm, or Fischar families? Most lived in Carondolet. Karen

If anyone has any of these persons in their line, please let me know. Anton Schubert, bur. 24 Mar 1879, 67 yrs. old Concordia Schubert bur. 3 April 1900, 81 yrs old C. Schubert, bur. 17 May 1863, 3 mos. old Edw. Schubert, bur. 6 Oct 1862 3 yrs. old Edw. Schubert, bur. 31 July 1875, 3 yrs old Ida Schubert, bur 8 Sept 1875, 4 mos old Wilhelmina Schubert, bur. 9 Mar 1878, 30 yrs old Ida Schubert, bur 9 Sept 1915, 2 yrs old John C. Schubert, bur. 6 July 1917, 1-1/2 yrs. old Louise Schubert, bur. 29 Mar 1919, 12 yrs. 9 mos. William F. Schubert, bur. 14 April 1911, 30 yrs. old Julius Schubert, bur 11 Oct 1891, 66 yrs old Louise Schubert, bur 27 April 1893, 74 yrs. old Herman Schubert, bur. 15 May 1916, 37 yrs old Thanks, Lorraine Rehmer

Teresa, Seifert is one of my family names. My g-grandmother was Anna Katherina Seifert. I am still getting info from Germany, but the story is that all 8 Seifert siblings came to America, starting in the late 1880s, which would fit your timeframe. Several settled in NYC. This line originated in Erbach, Hessen-Darmstadt, Germany. You might do a surname cluster search (check the Hessen List archives for more info on this) to find out if there is another part of Germany that also has lots of Seiferts. Good luck. Leslie Bouvier

The surname of Lena is spelled WIELAND in the Sts. Peter & Paul Cemetery Records Sts. Peter & Paul Cemetery St. Louis, City, Missouri Section 027, Lot 0047S, Lot ID AB06, Length 20.0, Width 10.0 Purchase No. 01, Alvin Hohenstein, WIELAND, LENA, Grave 00006, Depth R02, Age 59, Female, Date of Burial 8 April 1922, Southern Funeral Home. There are 7 Burials on this lot: 5 HOHENSTEIN 1 WILLIAMS and the above WIELAND. As of 30 June 1990, there was one available grave. This is a 6 grave lot, Lena is in one grave buried extra deep The Williams infant is buried at the head or foot of grave 4 which also contains a Hohenstein infant Bill Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

In a message dated 3/28/2004 11:04:37 PM Central Standard Time, GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: I have a Lena Wieland/Weiland , a patient at the > Psychiatric Hospital on Arsenal Street in St. Louis, MO who died in April, 1922. >From Bethlehem Lutheran Church Baptisms - St. Louis: Child's name: WEILAND, Anna Henriette Born: 4 Nov 1859 Baptized: 1 Jul 1860 Father: Carl Mother: BIELEFELD, Sophie Sponsors: Henriette Charlotte HOTMARS & Wilhelmine Bielefeld Hope this helps you. Gloria

Friends, i am seeking information of Frank SEIFERT & Minnie BAUMEISTER. Minnie is the daughter of William BAUMEISTER & Louisa MINCKE, (married in STL, 24 Nov 1868). Minnie was born in 1870. I am guessing Frank & Minnie were married abt 1900. I saw the census of a couple of their daughters in StL, 1930 census. They did have 1 son named Fred, who died in PA. They had 5 daughters: Marie, Ann, Theresa,Margaret & Louise. According to one of the daughters death certificate, Frank was born in Germany. I have no other information on Frank. I do not know his given name nor date of birth & date of death nor occupation nor immigration. I do not know who his parents are. I tried going through the census records, but cannot find any which fit. Any help will be appreciated. Teri --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time.

Doesn't look like it takes the link I sent. Sorry.

Click here: Catholic Cemeteries of the Archdiocese of St. Louis - Lot detail - Interment Search - Cemetery Search - Burial Sea See if this works for you. Jeff St. Louis

Bill, I thank you very much for this information. Knowing that Southern Funeral Home was involved in her burial is very important. This is a great list! Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland Researching Goedeker, Wieland, and Schott of Apple Creek, MO -----Original Message----- From: kimbuc4@juno.com [mailto:kimbuc4@juno.com] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:58 AM To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Germans-STL] Re: Lena WIELAND The surname of Lena is spelled WIELAND in the Sts. Peter & Paul Cemetery Records Sts. Peter & Paul Cemetery St. Louis, City, Missouri Section 027, Lot 0047S, Lot ID AB06, Length 20.0, Width 10.0 Purchase No. 01, Alvin Hohenstein, WIELAND, LENA, Grave 00006, Depth R02, Age 59, Female, Date of Burial 8 April 1922, Southern Funeral Home. There are 7 Burials on this lot: 5 HOHENSTEIN 1 WILLIAMS and the above WIELAND. As of 30 June 1990, there was one available grave. This is a 6 grave lot, Lena is in one grave buried extra deep The Williams infant is buried at the head or foot of grave 4 which also contains a Hohenstein infant Bill Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Kathlyn, > Can you help me? I have a Lena Wieland/Weiland , a patient at the > Psychiatric Hospital on Arsenal Street in St. Louis, MO who died in April, > 1922. > > I requested a death certificate for her from the city of St. Louis and was > told there wasn't one. > > I do have a burial permit listed in the St. Louis Post Dispatch on April 12, > 1922. Is it possible to get a copy of the burial permit? I'm hoping for > reason of death information etc. There was no obituary, and I can't find > if a mortuary was involved either. I would appreciate any help or advice. FWIW. A Lena Weiland was buried at SS. Peter and Paul Catholic cemetery at age 59. The date was 8 Apr 1922, but it is not clear whether that is death or burial date. I may be able to find out more on Tuesday when I will be at the St. Louis Genealogical Society office. I actually have a GUncle that died at that same institution, although much later. Bob Emnett

Try the coroner's office and the Hospital itself. There may be something in either place. http://stlouis.missouri.org/government/medex.html http://stlouis.missouri.org/neighborhoods/history/thehill/institutions13.htm about the hospital http://www.dmh.missouri.gov/faccontact.htm Good luck. Laura > [Original Message] > From: Kathy Wieland <kathy@craftsbykathy.com> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 3/27/2004 3:16:22 PM > Subject: [Germans-STL] Lena Wieland 1922 > > Friends, > > Can you help me? I have a Lena Wieland/Weiland , a patient at the > > Psychiatric Hospital on Arsenal Street in St. Louis, MO who died in April, > 1922. > > I requested a death certificate for her from the city of St. Louis and was > told there wasn't one. > > I do have a burial permit listed in the St. Louis Post Dispatch on April 12, > > > 1922. Is it possible to get a copy of the burial permit? I'm hoping for > > reason of death information etc. There was no obituary, and I can't find > > if a mortuary was involved either. I would appreciate any help or advice. > > > > Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland > > Goedeker, Wieland, Schott from Apple Creek, MO. > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) � Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Friends, Can you help me? I have a Lena Wieland/Weiland , a patient at the Psychiatric Hospital on Arsenal Street in St. Louis, MO who died in April, 1922. I requested a death certificate for her from the city of St. Louis and was told there wasn't one. I do have a burial permit listed in the St. Louis Post Dispatch on April 12, 1922. Is it possible to get a copy of the burial permit? I'm hoping for reason of death information etc. There was no obituary, and I can't find if a mortuary was involved either. I would appreciate any help or advice. Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland Goedeker, Wieland, Schott from Apple Creek, MO.

Hi Karen: Have a little info on a George Pfaff - he was a gymnastic teacher for the Swiss National Turner Society of StL in the 1890s. Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Meng" <kmeng@charter.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 7:01 PM Subject: [Germans-STL] Gromm, Pfaff, Scholl > > Is anyone researching these families? I am looking for The GROMM, > PFAFF, and SCHOLL families living in Carondelet or in the 2nd ward in > St. Louis. > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German traditions. Anything that concerns traditions, culture, folklore, heritage, or why not old recipes and daily life in ancient times in Germany or former German areas is an appropriate topic. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

I am trying to find descendants of Hermann Pfaff (b. abt. 1865 in Germany) and his wife, Charlotte C. W. Riefenberg (b. March, 1866 in Carlinville, IL). Their residence in 1910 was 2704 S. Tenth St. St. Louis. I don't know if that is Carondelet or 2nd Ward. Keith Karen Meng wrote: >Is anyone researching these families? I am looking for The GROMM, >PFAFF, and SCHOLL families living in Carondelet or in the 2nd ward in >St. Louis. > > > >==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== >GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German traditions. Anything that concerns traditions, culture, folklore, heritage, or why not old recipes and daily life in ancient times in Germany or former German areas is an appropriate topic. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >. > > >

My apologies to the list! I just realized after sending the last email that when I hit reply it went to the list instead of only replying to Lorraine. Will make future queries or replies much shorter when addressing the list. Judy

Lorraine, Thanks so much for replying. I just joined the list last night so was excited to get your email. I have been working on my husband's lines in early KY and my mother's family in England and decided that i needed to learn more about my father's birth father and his family. My dad, Edward Eugene Salzmann, was born 9-21-1911 in St. Louis, MO to Edward Salzmann and Laura Stuhlmann. I'm pretty sure he was baptized Lutheran. I will try to find his baptismal record and check the church name. My dad's dad (the elder Edward Salzmann) died of consumption or TB on Christmas Eve in 1917. I found his death date on the MO GenWeb St. Louis Public Library in their obit index. I remember being told he died on Christmas Eve when my dad was very young. My grandmother's brother, George Stuhlmann, wrote in his family history only the wedding date for Edward and Laura (Nov. 2, 1910) and that he was a shoe worker. He also wrote that my grandmother, Laura, was buried next to her first husband in Mt.Zion Cemetery, St. Louis, MO, when she died. (could be a Mt. Zion church where my dad was baptized Lutheran?) My grandmother, Laura, remarried a Hungarian emigrant, Steven Schnell,June 1, 1918, and my dad was adopted by him soon after. My grandmother died when I was 16 and I don't remember her talking about her first husband or his family. My 2 sisters and I were born in St. Louis, MO, in 1941, 1943 and 1945. We remember visiting a person we called "HeeHee Grandma" because she evidently was a happy person and laughed a lot. We must have named her when we were very little. Our memories include a remembrance of a two-story type narrow row house or brownstone (though probably frame) building and sitting outside during the visit(s) on the back stairs or stoop(wooden) that was maybe a two-story stair. I remember this Grandma (who would have been our great-grandmother) was being cared for at home and was probably not too well off on that remembered visit. For some reason, one of my memories is of a wooden straight chair with an open seat.It must have been when she was close to dying. I have a photograph of a kind-looking tall, slim lady with white hair tied loosely up on top of her head. On the back, in my mother's handwriting, it says "Grandma Schubert at 70 yrs of age. Born 11-24-1860 Died 12-6-1949 at 89 yrs." I wish so much I had asked my now deceased parents more about my dad's real family and who this person was. There is another family I remember visiting and sending Christmas cards to...Bill and Martha (born Dec. 6, 1897) Jenny and their son, David, who was wounded in the eye during WW2. Our family called them Uncle Bill and Aunt Martha. They had another son, named Bill. I do not know how these people fit into our family. We just took them as "relatives" when we were smaller. I know they are not part of my dad's mother's Stuhlmann relatives nor of my mother's families. My dad was transferred to Michigan in 1951/52 and, though we made visits to St. Louis to visit relatives, we didn't see them as often. We were very close to my grandmother's Stuhlmann brothers and their families and Dad kept in contact with his cousins from that side of the family. They are all German names, but my grandmother's brother wrote a family history (genealogy) before he died and there is no Schubert or Jenny connected with them. I found a Salzmann family group in the 1880 St. Louis census and there is an Edward Salzmann, age 2, in the household of Charles and Anna (born in Hanover and Prussia respectively). This could be my Dad's real dad, although I'd have to prove or disprove that. Since this "census" Anna (whose maiden name I do not know) was born in 1844 (as per the 1880 census) it can't be the "Grandma Schubert" that my mom has a birth date of 11-24-1860 for...plus this Anna would most likely have been too old to still be alive when I was born. So, I wonder if Charles and Anna Salzmann would be the right parents for my dad's dad. I'm giving you lots of info (probably lots more than you want or need) only because I know so little about this Grandma Schubert. Thought if I gave you some more peripheral details, something might connect. I'm sorry to take so long to tell you that I know nothing more about this "Grandma Schubert". Hopefully, we will find out that there is a connection. Do you know if your Schuberts had any connection to Mt. Zion...church or cemetery? Thanks. Judy Stone

Is anyone researching these families? I am looking for The GROMM, PFAFF, and SCHOLL families living in Carondelet or in the 2nd ward in St. Louis.

Judy, Schubert was my maiden name. I do not know of anyone in my relationship that had those b. & d. dates. BUT I am interested in finding out if there is a connection between our ancestors. My gr-grandfather was John Conrad Schubert b. Aug 1834 in Oberfranken and died Feb 1891 in St. Louis. His siblings were: Peter, Eva Maria, Henry, George, Edward (Charlie) and possibly Minnie. Let me know if this sounds familiar. Lorraine weber5227@sbcglobal.net