In a message dated 4/16/2004 10:39:46 AM Central Daylight Time, dunbar2912@ec.rr.com writes: Anna Maria SUNDER in 1856 in St Louis. I have a little on the Sunder Family in St. Louis about the same area. Maude Maria Armstrong married George Sunder Jr. in St. Louis George was living at 1435 Destrehan St. and Maude was living at 3441 N 14th St., both in St. Louis City, MO when they got married in 1901. His fathers name was George Sunder Sr (b 1 May 1839 d 1 May 1917)who signed for him to be married.George Sr. wife name was Christina. Maude had a sister named Bessie Roseanna Armstrong who happens to be my ggrandmother. Hope this might connect with your Sunder Family. Would love to share info. Carol A tree will whither if no one tends to the roots...

I have been able rescue a Photo Album of Members of St. Louis Chapter #8, Royal Arch Masons of the York Rite of the State of Missouri. Many of these men were also members of Moolah Shrine, Scottish Rite Masons and Alhambra Grotto, as well as all of the other Masonic Groups. I will post these in 40 photo increments, please don't ask me to check for a specific name until I post it. Provide the page number as well as the name. There are 464 photographs in this album, Photographer Ashen - Brenner Studios, 820 North Grand Blvd. St. Louis, Missouri Each photo is a 3.5 x 5.5 Sepia Tone, about 95 percent are in excellent condition. Best guess on the year is between 1920 and 1940 Yours for Postage and Handling, Please contact me off list for details. Bill ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /////////////////////////////// Anderson, Peter, Jr. 69 Arhelger, Martin W. 64 Bang, A.E. 64 Berglund, G.A. 68 Cammack, J.W. 67 Dixon, R.L. 68 Falkenhainer, H.J. 67 Frankenthal, Al. 65 Freund, A.M. 62 Gill, Andrew J. 69 Grate, W.E. 63 Heinsmann, H.B. 70 Johnston, J.T. 65 Jude, R.F. 70 Kimberling, H.R. 70 Klein, W.A. 62 Kreiger, A.A. 70 Lantz, G. 63 Lawson, A.T. 68 Levin, Joe 61 Loder, O.H. 65 Luehm, Fred 63 MacCubbin Chas. 69 Miller, G.E. 65 Morey, Arthur S. 61 Painter, D.H. 64 Peeler, Dr. James 66 Pries, E.L. 68 Rosen, Max 67 Rueminer, A.G. 66 Scherrer, F.W. 61 Senniger, E.P. 62 Shoemaker, S.D. 66 Sievers, Hugo S. 62 Stoppelmann, Frank L. 67 Taylor William D. 69 Thompson, G.F. 64 Twellman, A.F. 63 Walo, Alois T. 66 Wertheimer J.J. 61 ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /////////// Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN

Friends, I have St. Louis City Directory pages for Weiland/Wieland families for the following years: 1866 - 1885, 1889 - 1901, 1910, 1919, 1921, 1928, 1929, 1930. I would be happy to do look-ups. Kathy@craftsbykathy.com Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland in St. Louis, MO

Thank you very much Kathy. Actually I already have that info. The 'T' is actually an 'F' even though that is what is written. This George is the son of the captain that I wrote about. The son was a drummer boy in the union army. The Andrew is my great grandfather and that is all I can find on him. If you have any other info, please write me. Thanks again for your interest and help. Andrew >>> kathy@craftsbykathy.com 4/15/2004 12:09:49 PM >>> Hello, I find George T. Weckherlin, age 33, salesman, his wife Minnie, age 32, keeping house, son William, age 10, son Charles, age 7, son Andrew, age 5, and daughter Mary, age 2 in the 1880 Census, MO, St. Louis City. They are living on Allen Avenue. You can probably see the entry for yourself at familysearch.org. Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland in St. Louis Researching Goedeker, Wieland, Schott of Apple Creek, MO, and Reeder -----Original Message----- From: Frederick Weckherlin [mailto:weckhfa@mail.bay.k12.fl.us] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 10:37 AM To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Germans-STL] Georg Friedrich Weckherlin Help! I am searching for any information about my great-great-great grandfather, Georg Friedrich Weckherlin and also my great grandfather, Andreas (Andrew) Weckherlin. Georg moved to Hermann, MO. in 1850 from Wurttemburg, Germany. Obviously he was one of the 48ers. He was a lieutenant in the army in Germany in Ludwigsburg and later a captain in the union army in St. Louis. Benton Hussars. After that I have no idea what happened to him. Andreas just disappeared. It is said he drowned in the Mississippi River. He was from St. Louis too. He had a son, Frederick Andrew Weckherlin (my grandfather) in 1896. I would really like to know something about my great grandfather so if you know something, pleaae write me or tell me where I could find some information. Thanks! Frederick Andrew ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German traditions. Anything that concerns traditions, culture, folklore, heritage, or why not old recipes and daily life in ancient times in Germany or former German areas is an appropriate topic. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi, I am researching these families UNLAND/MOSS/BEUMER /SUNDER they lived in North St. Louis . If anyone has infromation on these families I would love to share. My GrGrGrandfather John UNLAND married Anna Maria SUNDER in 1856 in St Louis. I just found his will and probate in a file online. It is a wonderful find. He owed a land hauling business located on 14th St. Thank You, Betty

Help! I am searching for any information about my great-great-great grandfather, Georg Friedrich Weckherlin and also my great grandfather, Andreas (Andrew) Weckherlin. Georg moved to Hermann, MO. in 1850 from Wurttemburg, Germany. Obviously he was one of the 48ers. He was a lieutenant in the army in Germany in Ludwigsburg and later a captain in the union army in St. Louis. Benton Hussars. After that I have no idea what happened to him. Andreas just disappeared. It is said he drowned in the Mississippi River. He was from St. Louis too. He had a son, Frederick Andrew Weckherlin (my grandfather) in 1896. I would really like to know something about my great grandfather so if you know something, pleaae write me or tell me where I could find some information. Thanks! Frederick Andrew

Hi David, If you feel that it is possible that your family settled in the Quad-City area of Davenport, Iowa, I suggest that you visit the following site: celticcousins.com Just type in your surnames & be amazed. I found 231 Walsh & 68 Kahl entries. Both families were very prominent there. Do not let the name "Celtic Cousins" through you. All my German Westendorf kin are there as well as the Irish. I would like to hear from you if you have a connection to the Walshes of Walsh Construction Co. I have family pictures which I would be pleased to share. Jo Westendorf Banks

I am sorry but I don't know a lot about my Walsh family I have been working on it for about three years. My Gfather's name Francis Walsh went by Frank most ot the time. He was suposed have come to California from New York as young man with a young lady is one of the stories I've heard. He settled around Holister California. He was married there twice. He is supose to have had brother named Bill? Owned a red wood saw mill in Fresno County California. His Father's name was Michael Mother was Emelia Nolon. From Ireland. Were is Frank was born don't . What I am thinking whith what little I he may have been bornaround San Benito County California 1865. It would be nice if we are conected. But I think we are not to the Walsh Constrution. I wish I could find some one. Thank You ----- Original Message ----- From: <Josiebanks@aol.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 7:14 AM Subject: [Germans-STL] Re: Walsh & Kahl ATTN: David Walsh & others with possible IA connections Hi David, If you feel that it is possible that your family settled in the Quad-City area of Davenport, Iowa, I suggest that you visit the following site: celticcousins.com Just type in your surnames & be amazed. I found 231 Walsh & 68 Kahl entries. Both families were very prominent there. Do not let the name "Celtic Cousins" through you. All my German Westendorf kin are there as well as the Irish. I would like to hear from you if you have a connection to the Walshes of Walsh Construction Co. I have family pictures which I would be pleased to share. Jo Westendorf Banks ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Thank you Gary. But family sounds like they did it backwards they came to New York 1849 went to Chicago then to Milwaukee and the into St. Louis. My Grand father George was born in there in 1850 in1855 they came to California My grandfather Jacob his brother Leonard and son William came by wagon Anna Maria and the kids came by ship around the horn. I am trying to find the wagon train and ship, the ship must have come from New Orleans. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary Stoltman <stopan@optonline.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Kahl Family > Hi David: > > Only name of the four given was this - "Annie" - which, if she was from > Germany would be doubtful. > > From the dates given, sounds like they may have been some of the many who > came thru New Orleans for the Midwest. In the 50s, three of four German > immigrants came through St. Louis. They may have gone west or to farms in > Illinois, Iowa or continued north to Minnesota, North Dakota, etc. although > they probably would have come thru NY if that was their original > destination. > > There were two Jacobs that fought in Civil War from NY and one from Ohio - > Cincinnati was a large German town. Of the 58 Kahl's that show as Civil War > soldiers, there are none shown from Missouri but several (6-7) from > Illinois. > > There were anumber of Kahls in PA but these arrived in the 1760-90 period - > the first large German emigration. > > A Jacob Kahl of Ft. Atkinson attended the Mondern Workman convention in > Osshkosh, WI in1890 > > The second list is of all Kahls listed in the 1889-90 Directory. > > The third is of a William H. 1890 land purchase in Louisiana. A stretch but > it wasn't uncommon for some to return to New Orleans if there was family > there. > > The 4th is of the two Jacob Kahl's listed in the 1860 census. These are the > only two showing birth in Germany. > > #5 is from the 1880 census and are the only two old enough to have traveled > from Germany with a wife in 1850. > > Good hunting > > Gary Stoltman > Mercerville, NJ > ---------------------------------------------------------- > St. Louis City Death Records, 1850-1908 > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > > #1 > > Name: Annie Kahl > Death Date: 17 Aug 1893 > Address: St John's Hospital > Volume: 29 > Page: 175 > County Library: RDSL 38 > Missouri Archive: C 10394 > SLGS Rolls: 325 > > > > > > > Source Information: > St. Louis Genealogical Society, comp. St. Louis City Death > Records, 1850-1908. [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2001. > Original data: St. Louis Genealogical Society. Index to Death Records in the > City of St. Louis, 1850-1908. St. Louis, MO: St. Louis Genealogical Society, > 1999. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > #2 St. Louis, Missouri Directories, 1889-1890 > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name Location 1 Location 2 Occupation > > August Kahl boards 3130 N. Jefferson avenue driver > George L. Kahl r. 1504 Pine clerk > Henry Kahl r. 1710 S. 12th plumber > > > Source Information: > St. Louis City Directory, 1889. St. Louis, MO: Gould > Directory Co., 1889. St. Louis City Directory, 1890. St. Louis, MO: Gould > Directory Co., 1890. > > -------------------------------------------------------------- - > > > > #3 Louisiana Land Records > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Name Land Office Total Acres Issue Date > > WILLIAM H KAHL NEW ORLEANS 147.5 January 28, 1890 > > > Source Information: > United States. Bureau of Land Management. Louisiana Land > Records. [database on-line] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 1997-. Original > electronic data from: United States. Bureau of Land Management. Louisiana > Pre-1908 Homestead and Cash Entry Patents, General Land Office Automated > Records Project, 1993. > -------------------------------------------------------------- -- > > > #4 Jacob Kahl In United States > > > > > Name Age in 1860 Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Race Home in > 1860 > (City,County,State) Gender > > Jacob 31 1828 Oldenburg > Marietta, Washington, Ohio > > Jacob Kahl 34 1825 Bavaria / Bayern Township 2, Tuolumne, > California > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > --------- > #5 1880 Census > > Jacob KAHL 45 <1835> GER Self Married White Male New York > (Manhattan), New York City-Greater > > > Jacob KAHL 49 <1831> NASAU Self Married White Male > Waterbury, New Haven,Ct > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Walsh" <honeybear@oregonfast.net> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 5:58 PM > Subject: [Germans-STL] Kahl Family > > > > Anyone that knows anything about the Jacob and Anna Maria Kahl, or his > brother Lenard Kahl and his son William. , They were in st. Louis 1849 to > 1855. Please contact me Dave Walsh honeybear@oregonfast.net. Thank you > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > GERMAN-SURNAMES-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, > cultural or historical interest in German surnames, given names, etc. To > subscribe click on > mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) > or mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest > Mode) > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Phyliss: All I've been able to find is Volume 7, pg 398 in the City marriage records. There were some Hugons in Crawford County (Osage). Both names look to be French & possibly from 1700s Canada. But, back to the search. These first two look to be candidates- St. Louis City Death Records, 1850-1908 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Name Death Date Birth Place Cemetery Address Charles Hollmann 23 May 1886 Poor House Chas Hollmann 11 Sep 1867 Usa Wesleyan 809 N 8th St Chas Hy Hollmann 16 May 1869 1829 S 10th Source Information: St. Louis Genealogical Society, comp. St. Louis City Death Records, 1850-1908. [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2001. Original data: St. Louis Genealogical Society. Index to Death Records in the City of St. Louis, 1850-1908. St. Louis, MO: St. Louis Genealogical Society, 1999. --------------------------------------------- Here's a thin one. There's a Charles C., 15 yrs. son of Henry C. & Kate of both males are listed as bricklayers in the 1880 census. They are from Washington, Mo. not far from StL. Henry & Kate were born in Germany. Charles is their eldest and was born in Mo so they've been there since at least 1865. Nephew? This might be your boy! 1880 United States Federal Census ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Name: Charles HOLLMANN Age: 58 Estimated birth year: <1822> Birthplace: LIPPE DETMOLD Occupation: Minister Of Gospel Relation: Self Home in 1880: Pepperton, Stevens, Minnesota Marital status: Married Race: White Gender: Male Head of household: Charles HOLLMANN Father's birthplace: DETMOLD Mother's birthplace: DETMOLD Cannot read/write: Blind: Deaf and dumb: Otherwise disabled: Idiotic or insane: Image Source: Year: 1880; Census Place: Pepperton, Stevens, Minnesota; Roll: T9_635; Family History Film: 1254635; Page: 183D; Enumeration District: 19; Image: 0372. -------------------------------------------------------------- My wife has one of these "traveling" ministers from the same Washington area. Never seemed to have much money and frequently moved. Some weren't associated with any church but performed ceremony at just about any ol' place. Of course, I'm not sure he's one of them but is quite possibly the brother of Henry. I'd look into the one that died in the poorhouse in 1886. ------------------------------------------ And then, there's this one: St. Louis, Missouri Directories, 1889-1890 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: John F. Hollmann Location 2: r. rear 2316 North Market Year: 1890 City: St. Louis State: MO Source Information: St. Louis City Directory, 1889. St. Louis, MO: Gould Directory Co., 1889. St. Louis City Directory, 1890. St. Louis, MO: Gould Directory Co., 1890. ---------------------------------------------------------- That's all I have. Good hunting Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Solter" <pkessel@olywa.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] HOLLMANN - Identification of a minister > Hi, Gary - Not a thing - Here's the whole entry as it appears in the index > that's at the St Louis Public Library. > "This certifys that I joined together in the holy matrimony Mr John > Friedrich Soelder & Louisa Hugon St. Louis, 24th August 1855. Chas Hollmann, > Min. of the Gospel" > > I'm back to working on the particular brick wall of identifying my > gggrandmother's family. This record shows yet another variant of the > spelling of her maiden name. (Notice the spelling of Solter) I'm hoping I > might make a St. Louis church connection.Identifying Chas. Hollmann is a > shot-in-the-dark maneuver. > > Phyllis Solter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Stoltman" <stopan@optonline.net> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] HOLLMANN - Identification of a minister > > > > Hi Phyliss: > > > > Do you have any addresses or an area of town? > > > > Gary Stoltman > > Mercerville, NJ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Phyllis Solter" <pkessel@olywa.net> > > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:56 PM > > Subject: [Germans-STL] HOLLMANN - Identification of a minister > > > > > > > My gggrandfather was married to his second wife (my gggrandmother) in > St. > > Louis in 1855. The minister who performed the ceremony was Chas. Hollmann. > > Can anyone identify this man? What church was he affiliated with? I have > the > > marriage as recorded in the index in 1855 - I'd like to develop some > > additional information. > > > > > > Phyllis Solter > > > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A > virus > > that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb > > mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., > go > > please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Gary - Thanks so much for all your good time on my Hollmann question. Now - if there's anyone out there who can identify Marie Isabel Hugen (married, St Louis Oct 1852 to Fred Klaver who died May 1883)and Louisa Hugon (married St Louis to Frederick Solter August 1855 - died 1873) as sisters - that would be my prize of the year. (Marie Hugen Klaver married Frederick Solter, widower, in St Louis in 1884 - Frederick got on the train and came from Sedgwick County, Kansas to marry her) I am sure they're sisters. I just can't document it.!! Phyllis Solter

Hi David: Only name of the four given was this - "Annie" - which, if she was from Germany would be doubtful. From the dates given, sounds like they may have been some of the many who came thru New Orleans for the Midwest. In the 50s, three of four German immigrants came through St. Louis. They may have gone west or to farms in Illinois, Iowa or continued north to Minnesota, North Dakota, etc. although they probably would have come thru NY if that was their original destination. There were two Jacobs that fought in Civil War from NY and one from Ohio - Cincinnati was a large German town. Of the 58 Kahl's that show as Civil War soldiers, there are none shown from Missouri but several (6-7) from Illinois. There were anumber of Kahls in PA but these arrived in the 1760-90 period - the first large German emigration. A Jacob Kahl of Ft. Atkinson attended the Mondern Workman convention in Osshkosh, WI in1890 The second list is of all Kahls listed in the 1889-90 Directory. The third is of a William H. 1890 land purchase in Louisiana. A stretch but it wasn't uncommon for some to return to New Orleans if there was family there. The 4th is of the two Jacob Kahl's listed in the 1860 census. These are the only two showing birth in Germany. #5 is from the 1880 census and are the only two old enough to have traveled from Germany with a wife in 1850. Good hunting Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ---------------------------------------------------------- St. Louis City Death Records, 1850-1908 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- #1 Name: Annie Kahl Death Date: 17 Aug 1893 Address: St John's Hospital Volume: 29 Page: 175 County Library: RDSL 38 Missouri Archive: C 10394 SLGS Rolls: 325 Source Information: St. Louis Genealogical Society, comp. St. Louis City Death Records, 1850-1908. [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2001. Original data: St. Louis Genealogical Society. Index to Death Records in the City of St. Louis, 1850-1908. St. Louis, MO: St. Louis Genealogical Society, 1999. ----------------------------------------------------------- #2 St. Louis, Missouri Directories, 1889-1890 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name Location 1 Location 2 Occupation August Kahl boards 3130 N. Jefferson avenue driver George L. Kahl r. 1504 Pine clerk Henry Kahl r. 1710 S. 12th plumber Source Information: St. Louis City Directory, 1889. St. Louis, MO: Gould Directory Co., 1889. St. Louis City Directory, 1890. St. Louis, MO: Gould Directory Co., 1890. --------------------------------------------------------------- #3 Louisiana Land Records -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name Land Office Total Acres Issue Date WILLIAM H KAHL NEW ORLEANS 147.5 January 28, 1890 Source Information: United States. Bureau of Land Management. Louisiana Land Records. [database on-line] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 1997-. Original electronic data from: United States. Bureau of Land Management. Louisiana Pre-1908 Homestead and Cash Entry Patents, General Land Office Automated Records Project, 1993. ---------------------------------------------------------------- #4 Jacob Kahl In United States Name Age in 1860 Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Race Home in 1860 (City,County,State) Gender Jacob 31 1828 Oldenburg Marietta, Washington, Ohio Jacob Kahl 34 1825 Bavaria / Bayern Township 2, Tuolumne, California ---------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- #5 1880 Census Jacob KAHL 45 <1835> GER Self Married White Male New York (Manhattan), New York City-Greater Jacob KAHL 49 <1831> NASAU Self Married White Male Waterbury, New Haven,Ct ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Walsh" <honeybear@oregonfast.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 5:58 PM Subject: [Germans-STL] Kahl Family > Anyone that knows anything about the Jacob and Anna Maria Kahl, or his brother Lenard Kahl and his son William. , They were in st. Louis 1849 to 1855. Please contact me Dave Walsh honeybear@oregonfast.net. Thank you > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-SURNAMES-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German surnames, given names, etc. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Phyliss: Do you have any addresses or an area of town? Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phyllis Solter" <pkessel@olywa.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:56 PM Subject: [Germans-STL] HOLLMANN - Identification of a minister > My gggrandfather was married to his second wife (my gggrandmother) in St. Louis in 1855. The minister who performed the ceremony was Chas. Hollmann. Can anyone identify this man? What church was he affiliated with? I have the marriage as recorded in the index in 1855 - I'd like to develop some additional information. > > Phyllis Solter > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A virus that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., go please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi, Gary - Not a thing - Here's the whole entry as it appears in the index that's at the St Louis Public Library. "This certifys that I joined together in the holy matrimony Mr John Friedrich Soelder & Louisa Hugon St. Louis, 24th August 1855. Chas Hollmann, Min. of the Gospel" I'm back to working on the particular brick wall of identifying my gggrandmother's family. This record shows yet another variant of the spelling of her maiden name. (Notice the spelling of Solter) I'm hoping I might make a St. Louis church connection.Identifying Chas. Hollmann is a shot-in-the-dark maneuver. Phyllis Solter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Stoltman" <stopan@optonline.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] HOLLMANN - Identification of a minister > Hi Phyliss: > > Do you have any addresses or an area of town? > > Gary Stoltman > Mercerville, NJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phyllis Solter" <pkessel@olywa.net> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:56 PM > Subject: [Germans-STL] HOLLMANN - Identification of a minister > > > > My gggrandfather was married to his second wife (my gggrandmother) in St. > Louis in 1855. The minister who performed the ceremony was Chas. Hollmann. > Can anyone identify this man? What church was he affiliated with? I have the > marriage as recorded in the index in 1855 - I'd like to develop some > additional information. > > > > Phyllis Solter > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A virus > that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb > mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., go > please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-SURNAMES-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German surnames, given names, etc. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Is anyone else researching the surname GUTZLER in St.Louis City, 1870-19++?    My Barbara HERBEL married John Gutzler about 1874 --  Her brother Andrew HERBEL later married John's sister KATHERINE between 1900 and 1910. In 1900, John, Barbara, as well as Andrew were all at 1236 Sidney Street, St.Louis City.        Barbara and John had a daughter Mary or Mamie (both names used in various census) -- as late as 1910, Mary/Mamie was single and living with a widowed aunt, Anna N. Hanna (70), married 2x but a widow.  They lived at 145 Victor Street in 1910.        I have been unable to located any children for the Katherine GUTZMAN and Andrew HERBEL union.        I do have information on the HERBEL family, my grandmother's line.        Would love to find a connection to these families !!! Margie in FL

Anyone that knows anything about the Jacob and Anna Maria Kahl, or his brother Lenard Kahl and his son William. , They were in st. Louis 1849 to 1855. Please contact me Dave Walsh honeybear@oregonfast.net. Thank you

My gggrandfather was married to his second wife (my gggrandmother) in St. Louis in 1855. The minister who performed the ceremony was Chas. Hollmann. Can anyone identify this man? What church was he affiliated with? I have the marriage as recorded in the index in 1855 - I'd like to develop some additional information. Phyllis Solter

Hello, I find George T. Weckherlin, age 33, salesman, his wife Minnie, age 32, keeping house, son William, age 10, son Charles, age 7, son Andrew, age 5, and daughter Mary, age 2 in the 1880 Census, MO, St. Louis City. They are living on Allen Avenue. You can probably see the entry for yourself at familysearch.org. Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland in St. Louis Researching Goedeker, Wieland, Schott of Apple Creek, MO, and Reeder -----Original Message----- From: Frederick Weckherlin [mailto:weckhfa@mail.bay.k12.fl.us] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 10:37 AM To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Germans-STL] Georg Friedrich Weckherlin Help! I am searching for any information about my great-great-great grandfather, Georg Friedrich Weckherlin and also my great grandfather, Andreas (Andrew) Weckherlin. Georg moved to Hermann, MO. in 1850 from Wurttemburg, Germany. Obviously he was one of the 48ers. He was a lieutenant in the army in Germany in Ludwigsburg and later a captain in the union army in St. Louis. Benton Hussars. After that I have no idea what happened to him. Andreas just disappeared. It is said he drowned in the Mississippi River. He was from St. Louis too. He had a son, Frederick Andrew Weckherlin (my grandfather) in 1896. I would really like to know something about my great grandfather so if you know something, pleaae write me or tell me where I could find some information. Thanks! Frederick Andrew ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Phyllis, Do you think the Rev. Chas Hollmann might be in a city directory in St. Louis? Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland in St. Louis -----Original Message----- From: Phyllis Solter [mailto:pkessel@olywa.net] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 6:34 PM To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] HOLLMANN - Identification of a minister Hi, Gary - Not a thing - Here's the whole entry as it appears in the index that's at the St Louis Public Library. "This certifys that I joined together in the holy matrimony Mr John Friedrich Soelder & Louisa Hugon St. Louis, 24th August 1855. Chas Hollmann, Min. of the Gospel" I'm back to working on the particular brick wall of identifying my gggrandmother's family. This record shows yet another variant of the spelling of her maiden name. (Notice the spelling of Solter) I'm hoping I might make a St. Louis church connection.Identifying Chas. Hollmann is a shot-in-the-dark maneuver. Phyllis Solter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Stoltman" <stopan@optonline.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] HOLLMANN - Identification of a minister > Hi Phyliss: > > Do you have any addresses or an area of town? > > Gary Stoltman > Mercerville, NJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phyllis Solter" <pkessel@olywa.net> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 4:56 PM > Subject: [Germans-STL] HOLLMANN - Identification of a minister > > > > My gggrandfather was married to his second wife (my gggrandmother) in St. > Louis in 1855. The minister who performed the ceremony was Chas. Hollmann. > Can anyone identify this man? What church was he affiliated with? I have the > marriage as recorded in the index in 1855 - I'd like to develop some > additional information. > > > > Phyllis Solter > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A virus > that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb > mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., go > please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-SURNAMES-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German surnames, given names, etc. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I have been able rescue a Photo Album of Members of St. Louis Chapter #8, Royal Arch Masons of the York Rite of the State of Missouri. Many of these men were also members of Moolah Shrine, Scottish Rite Masons and Alhambra Grotto, as well as all of the other Masonic Groups. I will post these in 40 photo increments, please don't ask me to check for a specific name until I post it. Provide the page number as well as the name. There are 464 photographs in this album, Photographer Ashen - Brenner Studios, 820 North Grand Blvd. St. Louis, Missouri Each photo is a 3.5 x 5.5 Sepia Tone, about 95 percent are in excellent condition. Best guess on the year is between 1920 and 1940 Yours for Postage and Handling, Please contact me off list for details. Bill ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /////////////////////////////// Bentlage,W.E.60 Birkicht,W.F.55 Boeck,Hans59 Butler,A.R.52 Cedarquist,A.58 Confield,William G.59 Coughun,James m.51 Detweiler,John R.53 Dodd,W.D.56 Doerner,Chas. J.52 Ellmers,Oliver G.55 Evers,Harry E.52 Fausek,I.F.58 Fisher,Dr. J.A.54 Goodrich,A.N.60 Hallback,O.H.56 Hanna,Robert M.57 Harris,Hugh58 Hemphill,W.J.S.55 Howell,D.K.57 Josey,S.E.51 Kimberling,L.A.53 Kuehn,H.R., Jr.54 Langenberg,G.O.54 Meek,Carl J.60 Oonk,W.J.51 Peters, C.S.52 Reim,Hugo56 Ritter,E.L.54 Sahlender,Dr. O.L.57 Scharr,Gustav F.51 Schmidt,O.D.60 Schneider,Philip C.57 Schwarz,John B.59 Sick,Frank L.58 Siebenman,William J.56 Skelly,J.W.53 Tussey,Harry H.55 Westmeyer, A.J.59 White,Alfred H.53