I looked at the Earl Fischer data base but failed to see anything to do with any Old Cathedral records. There was only one female Brinker listed and according to some new family connections a number of events took place there. Thanks for trying to help but is there something else we need to know or do to get the information for the Old Cathedral? Janice Connell El Paso

I saw the earl fischer database but I fail to see the old cathedral records. Do you mean that all of the records on the earl fischer database are from the old cathedral records? If there is a separate database with just old cathedral records I would appreciate a link. Thank you so very much for sharing your knowledge with us. Mary Ann in Kansas

Janice, Use a Google search to find Earl Fischer Database of St. Louis - Pico Search. I found my HOLLOCHER family there on the Old Cathedral site. The records are from at least 1818. Many of the records show the parents of those being married or baptized. The site helped me a whole lot with my research. If you want to contact me personally, I can insert a hyperlink so all you need to do is click on the blue to reach the site. Audrey

Please send me the hyper link to the records that you mentioned in your e-mail to the list. Karen Moore Kerr __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - Buy advance tickets for 'Shrek 2' http://movies.yahoo.com/showtimes/movie?mid=1808405861

St. Louis Archdiocese records were microfilmed by LDS. You might be able to get a copy of that film through a Family History Center near you. Donna

Hi Fellow Researchers: I found out recently that the Brinker line I am researching had some baptisms and marriages in the Old Cathedral in the 1840s and 1850s. How would I go about getting copies or verification of these events from the Old Cathedral? Thanking you all in advance for your help. Sincerely, Janice Connell El Paso, TX

Thanks for this great suggestion. I'll try it. Karen -----Original Message----- From: cslimmiemc [mailto:cslimmiemc@netzero.net] Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 5:29 AM To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Doing a search using umlaut Someone at my local FHC research center typed in an "e" after the umlauted letter. My BÜNGELER ( unlaut over "u" ) became BUENGELER. She was able to come up with all kinds of information on the FHC website about some of my relatives doing that. Carol in St. Louis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Meng" <kmeng@charter.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 1:45 AM Subject: [Germans-STL] Doing a search using umlaut > > I have had no luck doing a search that uses the umlaut. For example, I > am searching for Gromm with an umlaut over the o. Has anyone had > results using letters from old German script, or how would you recommend > doing such a search--especially with FHC records? > > Karen > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-SURNAMES-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German surnames, given names, etc. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

David Quinn dies in a tragic accident, according to a St. Louis newspaper article. Register of Deaths in the City of St. Louis--April 1900-- page 161, No. 3537 DOD: April 28, 1900, DOB: 1871, Quinn, David, married, Age 28 years, 8 months, 8 days, POB: St. Louis, Father- Ireland, Mother-Ireland, POD: 5310 N. 2nd Street, Residence: 619 Harris Ave. Occupation: Laborer, Chief Cause: Shock & Injuries accident, white/male, Attending Physician: Louis Drichaler ?, Cemetery: Calvary, Undertaker: Landvogt St. Louis City Marriage Licence Register Quinn, David June 8, 1897, No. 70940, Vol 51, page 102 Kinstle, Katie June 8, 1897, No. 70940, Vol 51, page 102 Kinstler, Olinda June 30, 1909, No. 150559, Vol 71, page 423 (sisters) These are the dates the license was issued, not necessarily the date of marriage. David Quinn's father is Patrick Quinn, Mother is Annie. Anna Catherine, and Olinda's parents are William Kinstler, and Anna Dunz (or Grue?) They all resided in what is now North St. Louis City, between the Hyde Park and Baden areas, also known as Lowell. Is anyone out there researching these families? Or has any information on them? Ida Ebert Troy, MO

Hi, I mailed a letter back in April of 2000 and received a reply in approximately 2 weeks from a wonderful person named Amy. She returned a form letter along with a request form containing instructions in order for me to obtain information about my ancestor, who had been institutionalized at the St. Louis City Hospital on Arsenal Street. This is the address you need to write to when you request records: ST LOUIS PSYCHIATRIC REHABILITATION CENTER 5300 ARSENAL STREET, ST LOUIS MISSOURI 63139 You will need a copy of your birth certificate, the patient's birth or death certificate, and at least a ballpark figure for treatment dates. This information will allow them to send you documentation pertaining to the individual you have inquired about. If you want the actual treatment records for the patient, you will need a court order. - Sandra in Oregon

Someone at my local FHC research center typed in an "e" after the umlauted letter. My BÜNGELER ( unlaut over "u" ) became BUENGELER. She was able to come up with all kinds of information on the FHC website about some of my relatives doing that. Carol in St. Louis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Meng" <kmeng@charter.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 1:45 AM Subject: [Germans-STL] Doing a search using umlaut > > I have had no luck doing a search that uses the umlaut. For example, I > am searching for Gromm with an umlaut over the o. Has anyone had > results using letters from old German script, or how would you recommend > doing such a search--especially with FHC records? > > Karen > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-SURNAMES-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German surnames, given names, etc. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

To search with umlaut, try ae for ä oe for ö ue for ü Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Meng" <kmeng@charter.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 1:45 AM Subject: [Germans-STL] Doing a search using umlaut > > I have had no luck doing a search that uses the umlaut. For example, I > am searching for Gromm with an umlaut over the o. Has anyone had > results using letters from old German script, or how would you recommend > doing such a search--especially with FHC records? > > Karen > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-SURNAMES-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German surnames, given names, etc. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I have had no luck doing a search that uses the umlaut. For example, I am searching for Gromm with an umlaut over the o. Has anyone had results using letters from old German script, or how would you recommend doing such a search--especially with FHC records? Karen

Ginny: Never tried to dig that sort of info out of StL but the Probate court records have them in other Missouri counties. I'm sending to the StL rootsweb list for others to comment. Gary Stoltman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Wieland" <kathy@craftsbykathy.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 7:33 AM Subject: RE: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on Arsenal Street, St. Louis > Hi Gary, > I put the question out about Lena Wieland. Lena was living in St. Louis at > the time she was committed. Where in St. Louis should I look for the court > order? > > Great idea, Gary. Thank you for your insight. > > Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland in St. Louis, MO > Researching Goedeker, Wieland, Guelker, Hohenstein, Reeder, > and Schott of Apple Creek, MO > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Stoltman [mailto:stopan@optonline.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:43 PM > To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on > Arsenal Street, St. Louis > > Hi Ginny: > > You might have better luck searching for the Court order that put Lena there > to begin with. Hopefully she was a citizen of Farmington - not StL - try > looking in the St. Francois County Probate records (Farmington is the County > seat, I believe) as there would have been a hearing. There should be quite a > bit of information available in this file and will give you a starting > point - much easier than trying to work backwards. Good hunting > > Gary Stoltman > Mercerville, NJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ginny C" <ggineil@cybertrails.com> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on > Arsenal Street, St. Louis > > > > Hi Kathy and All, > > There must be a way here. My mother's uncle was in Farmington for many > > years(died there in 1960), and they told me I needed a lawyer to get a > court > > order. In fact, my last letter to them was returned, even tho it had the > > same address as the first letter telling me I needed the lawyer. His only > > two brothers died many years ago, and my mother and an aunt were the > > "caretakers" and they have both been gone since 1982 and 1991. The uncle > had > > a wife from whom he had separated but never had children. I have about > given > > up. I am wondering if anyone in the St. Louis Genealogy Society would be > of > > any help. > > Ginny in AZ > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kathy Wieland" <kathy@craftsbykathy.com> > > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:54 AM > > Subject: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on > > Arsenal Street, St. Louis > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > I would like to obtain records for Lena Wieland, a patient in 1910 at > the > > > > > > State Hospital #4 in Farmington, MO. In 1920 Lena is a resident at > > > > > > the Sanitarium on Arsenal Street. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been told that her records from these institutions may be > > > > > > available to family members with a court order. Can anyone tell me > > > > > > what kind of court order I need or how to proceed with this? > > > > > > > > > > > > This list has always been a great source of information, and I'm > > > > > > hoping that someone out there can guide me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many thanks, > > > > > > Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland > > > > > > Researching Goedeker, Wieland, Hohenstein, Guelker, Timmer, Jennings > > > > > > and Schott of Apple Creek, MO > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > > OLD-GERMAN-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or > > historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in > > German from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old > > German words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. 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: From: Pat Westmoreland Subject: Ossendoerf Brocksmith To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com I'm looking for any information on a Anna Marie Ossendorf who married Charles Brockschmidt, Brocksmith. they were married in St. Louis 1853 she died on May 5th 1885 in Quincy Illinois .i've found several Ossendorfs inthe 1800 in the washington Co area and some in St.Louis. If you know any Ossendorf or Brockschmidt Brocksmith I would love to here from you.

Hi Ginny: You might have better luck searching for the Court order that put Lena there to begin with. Hopefully she was a citizen of Farmington - not StL - try looking in the St. Francois County Probate records (Farmington is the County seat, I believe) as there would have been a hearing. There should be quite a bit of information available in this file and will give you a starting point - much easier than trying to work backwards. Good hunting Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginny C" <ggineil@cybertrails.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on Arsenal Street, St. Louis > Hi Kathy and All, > There must be a way here. My mother's uncle was in Farmington for many > years(died there in 1960), and they told me I needed a lawyer to get a court > order. In fact, my last letter to them was returned, even tho it had the > same address as the first letter telling me I needed the lawyer. His only > two brothers died many years ago, and my mother and an aunt were the > "caretakers" and they have both been gone since 1982 and 1991. The uncle had > a wife from whom he had separated but never had children. I have about given > up. I am wondering if anyone in the St. Louis Genealogy Society would be of > any help. > Ginny in AZ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Wieland" <kathy@craftsbykathy.com> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:54 AM > Subject: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on > Arsenal Street, St. Louis > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > I would like to obtain records for Lena Wieland, a patient in 1910 at the > > > > State Hospital #4 in Farmington, MO. In 1920 Lena is a resident at > > > > the Sanitarium on Arsenal Street. > > > > > > > > I have been told that her records from these institutions may be > > > > available to family members with a court order. Can anyone tell me > > > > what kind of court order I need or how to proceed with this? > > > > > > > > This list has always been a great source of information, and I'm > > > > hoping that someone out there can guide me. > > > > > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland > > > > Researching Goedeker, Wieland, Hohenstein, Guelker, Timmer, Jennings > > > > and Schott of Apple Creek, MO > > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > OLD-GERMAN-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or > historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in > German from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old > German words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To > subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:OLD-GERMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail > Mode) or mailto:OLD-GERMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > OLD-GERMAN-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in German from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old German words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:OLD-GERMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:OLD-GERMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Kathy and All, There must be a way here. My mother's uncle was in Farmington for many years(died there in 1960), and they told me I needed a lawyer to get a court order. In fact, my last letter to them was returned, even tho it had the same address as the first letter telling me I needed the lawyer. His only two brothers died many years ago, and my mother and an aunt were the "caretakers" and they have both been gone since 1982 and 1991. The uncle had a wife from whom he had separated but never had children. I have about given up. I am wondering if anyone in the St. Louis Genealogy Society would be of any help. Ginny in AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Wieland" <kathy@craftsbykathy.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:54 AM Subject: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on Arsenal Street, St. Louis > Dear Friends, > > I would like to obtain records for Lena Wieland, a patient in 1910 at the > > State Hospital #4 in Farmington, MO. In 1920 Lena is a resident at > > the Sanitarium on Arsenal Street. > > > > I have been told that her records from these institutions may be > > available to family members with a court order. Can anyone tell me > > what kind of court order I need or how to proceed with this? > > > > This list has always been a great source of information, and I'm > > hoping that someone out there can guide me. > > > > Many thanks, > > Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland > > Researching Goedeker, Wieland, Hohenstein, Guelker, Timmer, Jennings > > and Schott of Apple Creek, MO > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > OLD-GERMAN-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in German from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old German words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:OLD-GERMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:OLD-GERMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Ginny, I received an email from Farmington saying I needed a court order to obtain records. Here is the current information. Mickey (Michele) Halbrook Correspondence Secretary Health Information Management Dept. Southeast Missouri Mental Health Center PH 573.218.6782 FAX 573.218.6785 E-Mail: michele.halbrook@dmh.mo.gov Sincerely, Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Ginny C [mailto:ggineil@cybertrails.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 3:48 PM To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on Arsenal Street, St. Louis Hi Kathy and All, There must be a way here. My mother's uncle was in Farmington for many years(died there in 1960), and they told me I needed a lawyer to get a court order. In fact, my last letter to them was returned, even tho it had the same address as the first letter telling me I needed the lawyer. His only two brothers died many years ago, and my mother and an aunt were the "caretakers" and they have both been gone since 1982 and 1991. The uncle had a wife from whom he had separated but never had children. I have about given up. I am wondering if anyone in the St. Louis Genealogy Society would be of any help. Ginny in AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Wieland" <kathy@craftsbykathy.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:54 AM Subject: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on Arsenal Street, St. Louis > Dear Friends, > > I would like to obtain records for Lena Wieland, a patient in 1910 at the > > State Hospital #4 in Farmington, MO. In 1920 Lena is a resident at > > the Sanitarium on Arsenal Street. > > > > I have been told that her records from these institutions may be > > available to family members with a court order. Can anyone tell me > > what kind of court order I need or how to proceed with this? > > > > This list has always been a great source of information, and I'm > > hoping that someone out there can guide me. > > > > Many thanks, > > Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland > > Researching Goedeker, Wieland, Hohenstein, Guelker, Timmer, Jennings > > and Schott of Apple Creek, MO > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > OLD-GERMAN-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in German from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old German words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:OLD-GERMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:OLD-GERMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== OLD-GERMAN-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in German from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old German words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:OLD-GERMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:OLD-GERMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Gary, I put the question out about Lena Wieland. Lena was living in St. Louis at the time she was committed. Where in St. Louis should I look for the court order? Great idea, Gary. Thank you for your insight. Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland in St. Louis, MO Researching Goedeker, Wieland, Guelker, Hohenstein, Reeder, and Schott of Apple Creek, MO -----Original Message----- From: Gary Stoltman [mailto:stopan@optonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 10:43 PM To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on Arsenal Street, St. Louis Hi Ginny: You might have better luck searching for the Court order that put Lena there to begin with. Hopefully she was a citizen of Farmington - not StL - try looking in the St. Francois County Probate records (Farmington is the County seat, I believe) as there would have been a hearing. There should be quite a bit of information available in this file and will give you a starting point - much easier than trying to work backwards. Good hunting Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginny C" <ggineil@cybertrails.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on Arsenal Street, St. Louis > Hi Kathy and All, > There must be a way here. My mother's uncle was in Farmington for many > years(died there in 1960), and they told me I needed a lawyer to get a court > order. In fact, my last letter to them was returned, even tho it had the > same address as the first letter telling me I needed the lawyer. His only > two brothers died many years ago, and my mother and an aunt were the > "caretakers" and they have both been gone since 1982 and 1991. The uncle had > a wife from whom he had separated but never had children. I have about given > up. I am wondering if anyone in the St. Louis Genealogy Society would be of > any help. > Ginny in AZ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Wieland" <kathy@craftsbykathy.com> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:54 AM > Subject: [Germans-STL] Records from State Hospital #4 and Sanitarium on > Arsenal Street, St. Louis > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > I would like to obtain records for Lena Wieland, a patient in 1910 at the > > > > State Hospital #4 in Farmington, MO. In 1920 Lena is a resident at > > > > the Sanitarium on Arsenal Street. > > > > > > > > I have been told that her records from these institutions may be > > > > available to family members with a court order. Can anyone tell me > > > > what kind of court order I need or how to proceed with this? > > > > > > > > This list has always been a great source of information, and I'm > > > > hoping that someone out there can guide me. > > > > > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland > > > > Researching Goedeker, Wieland, Hohenstein, Guelker, Timmer, Jennings > > > > and Schott of Apple Creek, MO > > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > OLD-GERMAN-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or > historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in > German from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old > German words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To > subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:OLD-GERMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail > Mode) or mailto:OLD-GERMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > OLD-GERMAN-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in German from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old German words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. 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Hi Bob, I have good copies of the ship's lists that we discussed earlier. The printer at the St. Louis Public Library makes 11 x 17 copies. I can't scan anything that big. I could take them to a copy place and have copies made to send you by snail mail. What do you suggest? Since you e-mailed me, I have found another family member who came at an earlier date. As you may recall, I had found Wilhelm Meng and his family coming from Havre on the ship, Asia, in 1848 to New Orleans. Since then, I have found Conrad Meng and his family coming from Havre to New York on the Manchester in 1837. While I do not have proof that Conrad is Wilhelm's father, it seems logical because Wilhelm's son and wife lived with Conrad's wife, Elizabetha, after Wilhelm's death per census records. Elizabetha would have been about the right age to be the grandmother. Finding the 1837 ship's list was quite a challenge because they came before GTA listings. I just kept narrowing it down based on records showing German birthdates and records in this country. Karen -----Original Message----- From: Bob Doerr [mailto:bdoerr@rollanet.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 11:07 AM To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Germans-STL] local, regional, state and national family-history organizations Hi This is to urge everyone interested in genealogy and family history to support local, regional, state and national family-history organizations. Nowadays, we get much of our information and data from e-mail and other Internet facilities, but many of the on-line databases, etc., are created by volunteers in those organizations. Already this year, two important family-history organizations in Missouri have become defunct: The Heart of America group and the American Family Records Association. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237