Hello List, While searching for Gerhard Grueter, father of Elizabeth Grueter Wieland, I found an 1850 Census for Cincinnati, OH. On the census there is also a listing for a Friedrich Buchholz, his wife Louisa, his son John, daughter Louisa, and a Barbara Geiler. I thought this might be of interest to those searching Buchholz. Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland Goedeker, Wieland, Grueter, Hohenstein, Jennings of Calhoun County, Reeder, and Schott of Apple Creek, MO

None that I know of. Gary Stoltman ----- Original Message ----- From: <kimbuc4@juno.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 4:19 PM Subject: [Germans-STL] test > Believe I have be unsubscribed. Has anyone had a problem lately? > > Bill > > Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere > -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN > G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ltreat/ Laurel Treat www.laureltreat.com

Bill, I here you now! ----- Original Message ----- From: <kimbuc4@juno.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 4:19 PM Subject: [Germans-STL] test > Believe I have be unsubscribed. Has anyone had a problem lately? > > Bill > > Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere > -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN > G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

I belong to several of these lists, and haven't received anything from any of them lately. Someone asked about our friend Don Watson. Has anyone heard from him lately? Carol in St. Louis ----- Original Message ----- From: <kimbuc4@juno.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: [Germans-STL] test > Believe I have be unsubscribed. Has anyone had a problem lately? > > Bill > > Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere > -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN > G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Believe I have be unsubscribed. Has anyone had a problem lately? Bill Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Bill, The list has been very quiet this week. Maybe it's the weather..... Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland Goedeker, Wieland, Hohenstein, Reeder, and Schott of Apple Creek, MO -----Original Message----- From: kimbuc4@juno.com [mailto:kimbuc4@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 2:20 PM To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Germans-STL] test Believe I have be unsubscribed. Has anyone had a problem lately? Bill Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Greetings, Everyone! Dave Lossos has added some more Bethlehem Lutheran Church records on his site: http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com These are confirmation lists from 1870 to 1897. At first I thought it would not be worth transcribing these records because in many cases the lists consist of nothing more than a last name under a header of "Boys" or "Girls." However, some years contain a goldmine of information. They contain the person's birth date, father's name, place of birth and in a few, also the place of Baptism. There are lots of Illinois births, some other states as well as Germany locations. Plus a few other countries too. As always, keep in mind how difficult these microfilmed records are to read. Good luck in your searches! Gloria

Fredrick Wilhelm Fout born in Meissen in the county of Buckeburg and Duchy of Schaumburg-Lippe, Westphalia Germany, ( His parents were Frederick Wilhelm and Sophia (Spanuth) Faut) emigrated to the United States in 1854, where an uncle lived in New Palestine, Indiana, and whom he made his home.   He continued his studies until he determined to become altogether independent, and engaged himself to a carpenter to learn the trade.   After his apprenticeship was completed he worked at his trade for a while, but aspiring to a higher calling and a better education, he temporarily laid aside his saw and plane to enter FRANKLIN ACADEMY, in Franklin, Indiana. This was in 1859 and he attended school in the winter and returned to his carpenter work in the summer until the spring of 1861, which proved a momentous epoch in his life, as it did in the lives of thousands of other Americans. Frederick served in the Civil War from 1861-1865, earned a Medal of Honor and was injured (loss of hearing) at the Battle of Nashville. FREDERICK W. Fout was a Second Lieutenant, 15th Battery, Indiana Light Artillery. He won the Medal of Honor neaar Harpers Ferry, W. Va... The action which he was awarded the medal of honor was: Voluntarily gathered the men of the battery together, remanned the guns, which had been ordered abandoned by an officer, opened fire, and kept up the same on the enemy until after the surrender. After the civil war he returned home to Germany to see his parents and he formed a tender attachment for a Miss Mathilda Charlotte Brandt,(born 1850), the daughter of his old school master who was a child of four years old when he left Germany.   The young lady reciprocated a visit to the United States and in 1866 came to New York and on August 27th in that city they were married.  After the honeymoon the young couple went to Indianapolis, where Fredrick became interested in the glass manufacturing business.  He and others started a plant in Indianapolis, their plant being at that time the only one in the West.   After a number of years he severed his connection with the glass company, and subsequently engaged in various commercial enterprises, meeting with success and reverses in others.   In 1881 he came to ST. Louis, and for seven years was considered by the Missouri Glass Company one of its most valuable traveling salesman. In St. Louis he was one of the best Pension and Claims attorney's and then also he built homes in St. Louis during the period of 1885-1898. We have him residing at 3100 Clark Ave in 1888 while employed for Missouri Glass Company 2332-2338 Clark Ave in 1884-1886 while employed for the Missouri Glass Company 4205 Finney in 1892-1903 4114 Flad in 1903 3885-Juninata in 1904 600 N. Garrison in 1905 He had three children: Frederick W. Jr. was born in 1866 died in St.Louis Jan 19,1923 Anna Matilda FOUT was born on 8 Jul 1870 in Indianapolis, Marion Co., Indiana. She died on 24 Nov 1948 in St. Louis, St. Louis Co., Missouri Albert E. was born Dec 1875 in Indianapolis and died unknown. We are looking for the any information on Albert E. Fout or his brother Frederick W. Fout Jr. Any records of Albert E. Fout such as a death date or even a spouse. We have the following information: 1901-stenographer at the Circuit Clerk office 1903-copyist at Circuit clerk office 1904-mngr. at the "DEFENDER" (unknown) 1905-1908- dep. clerk at Circuit clerk office ---1880-1908 lving at 4284 COOK AFTER 1908 HE MOVES TO 5863 A Cote Brilliant then to 5233 Spalding then to 5116 Terry. We are looking for any marriages, children etc. for Albert E. Fout or his brother Frederick W. Fout Jr. Was there a hospital or another institution at 600 N. Garrison in 1905 Any marriage or children of Frederick W. Jr. was born in 1866 died in St.Louis Jan 19,1923 Or any other information on the Fout Family of St. Louis Had three brothers living in 1902 - William in Germany, Frederick in St. Louis, and Carl in New Palestine

In my research, in Kreis (County) Minden, there is a Holzhausen and a Holzhausen II, apparently to tell them apart since they are in the same county, so I would think maybe this would be the purpose of this designation. However, Mapblast.com only brings up three Westenfelds, in widely scattered areas of Germany. I would suggest going to Mapblast and noting the locations of all three, then messing around on Google to see if you can come up with anything. It would be just a fishing expedition; you mightnot find a thing. But you should note thelocations of the three Westenfelds on Mapblast and focus your search there. Wiehes married into Schnakes, and I have several on my database, but they were from Hille or Unterluebbe, Kreis Minden, not near any of the Westenfelds. If you would like to see the Wiehes in my database, go to http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~schnake/html/ and click on Name List and scroll down or use Find to go to the Wiehes. Roy Johnson Researching Schnake/Schnake of Kreis Minden and worldwide http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~schnake > Would anyone on the list know how to locate a German town that has a number > behind the name. My ancestors came from Westenfeld #2. How would I > distinguish this town from other Westenfelds without knowing other location > information? Thanks. Mark Wiehe > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical > interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from > earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, > phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe > to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or > mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

If you try www.expedia.com, go to "find a map", then Europe, then Westenfels, the closest it gets is "Wei�enfels (second-order administrative division), Saxony-Anhalt, Germany" that may be it. I don't know the importance of the second-order administrative division, but it may be what you are looking for. roy.w.johnson@att.net wrote:In my research, in Kreis (County) Minden, there is a Holzhausen and a Holzhausen II, apparently to tell them apart since they are in the same county, so I would think maybe this would be the purpose of this designation. However, Mapblast.com only brings up three Westenfelds, in widely scattered areas of Germany. I would suggest going to Mapblast and noting the locations of all three, then messing around on Google to see if you can come up with anything. It would be just a fishing expedition; you mightnot find a thing. But you should note thelocations of the three Westenfelds on Mapblast and focus your search there. Wiehes married into Schnakes, and I have several on my database, but they were from Hille or Unterluebbe, Kreis Minden, not near any of the Westenfelds. If you would like to see the Wiehes in my database, go to http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~schnake/html/ and click on Name List and scroll down or use Find to go to the Wiehes. Roy Johnson Researching Schnake/Schnake of Kreis Minden and worldwide http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~schnake > Would anyone on the list know how to locate a German town that has a number > behind the name. My ancestors came from Westenfeld #2. How would I > distinguish this town from other Westenfelds without knowing other location > information? Thanks. Mark Wiehe > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical > interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from > earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, > phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe > to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or > mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== GERMAN-SURNAMES-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German surnames, given names, etc. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Dear Kathy, school is over and tomorrow is my last day. If you should need to contact me, please do so at andyweck@hotmail.com. Thank you so much for all your help and have a great summer. Your friend Andrew >>> kathy@craftsbykathy.com 5/19/2004 1:09:58 PM >>> Friends, I'd like to thank everyone who responded to my plight of finding some records on Lena Wieland, who was a patient at the State Hospital #4 in Farmington in 1910 and a resident at the Sanitarium on Arsenal Street in 1920. A summary of help follows: 1. Try to find the probate court record that sent Lena to Farmington 2. Send a letter to Southeast Missouri Mental Health Center Attn: Health Information Management 1010 W. Columbia Farmington, MO 63640 Send copy of driver's license and death certificate for individual in the institution. 3. Send a letter to ST LOUIS PSYCHIATRIC REHABILITATION CENTER 5300 ARSENAL STREET, ST LOUIS MISSOURI 63139 You will need a copy of your birth certificate, the patient's birth or death certificate, and at least a ballpark figure for treatment dates. This information will allow them to send you documentation pertaining to the individual you have inquired about. If you want the actual treatment records for the patient, you will need a court order. Give this office the information you have on the individual, i.e. birth date, parents, siblings, names person was known by, etc. I did call the Arsenal Street office, and was told I would get hospitalization dates, identification information, probably family information (like next of kin notification, or who signed her in). I would especially like to thank Sandy K, Bob and Rosemary, Bob D., Gary S., Ron and Laura B. It's a pleasure to belong to this list. Sincerely, Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland Researching Wieland, Goedeker, Hohenstein, Guelker, Jennings, Schott of Apple Creek, and Reeder ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German traditions. Anything that concerns traditions, culture, folklore, heritage, or why not old recipes and daily life in ancient times in Germany or former German areas is an appropriate topic. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Would anyone on the list know how to locate a German town that has a number behind the name. My ancestors came from Westenfeld #2. How would I distinguish this town from other Westenfelds without knowing other location information? Thanks. Mark Wiehe

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Friends, I'd like to thank everyone who responded to my plight of finding some records on Lena Wieland, who was a patient at the State Hospital #4 in Farmington in 1910 and a resident at the Sanitarium on Arsenal Street in 1920. A summary of help follows: 1. Try to find the probate court record that sent Lena to Farmington 2. Send a letter to Southeast Missouri Mental Health Center Attn: Health Information Management 1010 W. Columbia Farmington, MO 63640 Send copy of driver's license and death certificate for individual in the institution. 3. Send a letter to ST LOUIS PSYCHIATRIC REHABILITATION CENTER 5300 ARSENAL STREET, ST LOUIS MISSOURI 63139 You will need a copy of your birth certificate, the patient's birth or death certificate, and at least a ballpark figure for treatment dates. This information will allow them to send you documentation pertaining to the individual you have inquired about. If you want the actual treatment records for the patient, you will need a court order. Give this office the information you have on the individual, i.e. birth date, parents, siblings, names person was known by, etc. I did call the Arsenal Street office, and was told I would get hospitalization dates, identification information, probably family information (like next of kin notification, or who signed her in). I would especially like to thank Sandy K, Bob and Rosemary, Bob D., Gary S., Ron and Laura B. It's a pleasure to belong to this list. Sincerely, Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland Researching Wieland, Goedeker, Hohenstein, Guelker, Jennings, Schott of Apple Creek, and Reeder

Greetings, Everyone! Dave Lossos has just put my latest endeavors on his website at: "Genealogy in St. Louis" <http://genealogyinstlouis.accessgenealogy.com> These baptism were a bit more of a challenge than usual. In addition to the handwriting style the microfilmed pages that I used had shadows at the binding due to the book not being pressed open fully. Thus some birthdates are not visible. Also, please remember to use your imagination with respect to the spelling of your ancestors' names. Look at P and B, C and K, D and T and so on. There are some Washington County, IL names in here that I recognize so you might find some other Illinois goodies in here too. Enjoy! Gloria.

Dear Carol: Thanks so much for your hint about the obits. Just haven't gotten around to it but sure will. Thanks again. Janice

Hi, Ginny, I have Oppermann from Braunschweig (Vechta - Peine) early 1800's. Please, ask Herman if he is aware of any spelling variations from which Oberman may have been derived. Long shot, I know, but I am getting desperate to find siblings and ancestors of Great Great Grandmother. Thanks, Keith Mueller Franklin County, MO Ginny C wrote: >Lately I have been writing (on another list) a Herman Oberman from Germany but living in the Netherlands. When he goes to Germany, he has looked for some of my Reisse records. Tonight he wrote saying that his line was in MO too, and if I knew of any he would be interested. So if there is anyone who might want to hear from him, let me know, and I will pass along your email address to Herman. >Ginny in AZ > > >==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== >GERMAN-SURNAMES-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German surnames, given names, etc. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >. > > >

Lately I have been writing (on another list) a Herman Oberman from Germany but living in the Netherlands. When he goes to Germany, he has looked for some of my Reisse records. Tonight he wrote saying that his line was in MO too, and if I knew of any he would be interested. So if there is anyone who might want to hear from him, let me know, and I will pass along your email address to Herman. Ginny in AZ

To those who requested it, I'm including the hyperlink to the Earl Fischer Database showing weddings and burials, etc. Because I saved it in My Favorites, I will be giving you the site with my HOLLOCHER named entered. You'll, of course, add the name you are researching. <A HREF="http://www.picosearch.com/cgi-bin/ts.pl?index=50672&doc0=0&query=Hollocher">Old Cathedral</A> Please let me know if this works. Audrey