Hi, I read your story; what a neat story it is. I am wondering about the Bertha Hess. My gg grandfather Henry Hess was born in Hannover (State of), Germany about 1826. A Henry Hess declared his intention to become an American Citizen in about 1842 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. It is believed that he came to the US when he was about age 17. He married Elizabeth Kreher who came to America with her family in 1838, and they had two sons: Charles, born in 1845 and Henry M. born in 1848 in Missouri. I have not found where they were married. I know nothing more about him. I'm wondering if there is any connection with these two Hesses. Thank you. Betty in St. Louis NAYnWOODY@aol.com wrote: Johann Engelbert Appelbaum + Anna Maria Gertrude Humpert in St. Louis, MO In the twenty years between his marriage to Anna Maria in 1853 and 1873, this couple had seven children. Little Ambrose was alive in the 1860 census but was never seen again after that. The children were: Ambrose John Joseph who never married but cared for his mother and sister Mary Ann when she was widowed Herman Joseph who married Bertha Hess Caspar who married Antoinette Spinner Rose Carolyn who married Caspar Twillenmeir William who married Wilhelmina Westfhoff Mary Ann who married Dr. John Schmidt. Ambrose dies as a child, John never married, Caspar and Nettie had two children, and no grandchildren, William and Wilhelmina had no children, and Mary Ann and John Schmidt had only one daughter, Rosemary. But Herman and Rose made up for everyone else. Between them they account for 90% of the Appelbaum data base. And what is ironic is that most of Rose's side did not know about Herman's descendants and vice versa. It appears that a very typical St. Louis phenomenon caused the family to "lose" each other. One family lived in North St. Louis and the other South St. Louis. --- Anna Maria Gertrude Humpert background She was the perfect example of a young woman who comes with a parents who has suffered a great hardship and tragedy in Germany and comes to St. Louis to make a fresh start. The little trio who landed in New Orleans and made their way up the Mississippi was typical of millions of immigrants who had undergone death and financial ruin and dislocation. Gertude did that. A plain woman who no doubt lived plainly, she mothered seven children, losing only one in a time that was not gentle to children. I have found a few facts on the voyage they made to their new land. They sailed on the barque "Edmund" from Bremen in Mid-March and ended their voyage in New Orleans on June 14, 1850. Gertrude married John Appelbaum, Hermann never married but worked as a tailor at Alexian Brother's Hospital and raised canaries for a pet. He was six years older than Gertrude. On April 19, 1853, three years after her arrival, Gertrude married Johann E. Appelbaum at Sts. Peter and Paul Church. The next 20 years brought them seven children. Johann was eleven years older than Gertrude and he died in 1881, leaving children ranging from 25 years down to little 5-year old Marry Ann. Gertrude now experienced what her mother had gone through in Stockum, early widowhood with children to raise. She never remarried, but raised her children first on 9th Street near Soulard, the 2632 Lemp Avenue, and finally 3002 Louisiana where she lived until her death with her son John and daughter Mary Ann, and grand daughter Rosemary. AT the time of her death in 1914, she was surrounded by children, grandchildren, and one great grandchild. Tomorrow: Tuesday Herman Joseph Appelbaum history ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German traditions. Anything that concerns traditions, culture, folklore, heritage, or why not old recipes and daily life in ancient times in Germany or former German areas is an appropriate topic. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/

Johann Engelbert Appelbaum + Anna Maria Gertrude Humpert in St. Louis, MO In the twenty years between his marriage to Anna Maria in 1853 and 1873, this couple had seven children. Little Ambrose was alive in the 1860 census but was never seen again after that. The children were: Ambrose John Joseph who never married but cared for his mother and sister Mary Ann when she was widowed Herman Joseph who married Bertha Hess Caspar who married Antoinette Spinner Rose Carolyn who married Caspar Twillenmeir William who married Wilhelmina Westfhoff Mary Ann who married Dr. John Schmidt. Ambrose dies as a child, John never married, Caspar and Nettie had two children, and no grandchildren, William and Wilhelmina had no children, and Mary Ann and John Schmidt had only one daughter, Rosemary. But Herman and Rose made up for everyone else. Between them they account for 90% of the Appelbaum data base. And what is ironic is that most of Rose's side did not know about Herman's descendants and vice versa. It appears that a very typical St. Louis phenomenon caused the family to "lose" each other. One family lived in North St. Louis and the other South St. Louis. --- Anna Maria Gertrude Humpert background She was the perfect example of a young woman who comes with a parents who has suffered a great hardship and tragedy in Germany and comes to St. Louis to make a fresh start. The little trio who landed in New Orleans and made their way up the Mississippi was typical of millions of immigrants who had undergone death and financial ruin and dislocation. Gertude did that. A plain woman who no doubt lived plainly, she mothered seven children, losing only one in a time that was not gentle to children. I have found a few facts on the voyage they made to their new land. They sailed on the barque "Edmund" from Bremen in Mid-March and ended their voyage in New Orleans on June 14, 1850. Gertrude married John Appelbaum, Hermann never married but worked as a tailor at Alexian Brother's Hospital and raised canaries for a pet. He was six years older than Gertrude. On April 19, 1853, three years after her arrival, Gertrude married Johann E. Appelbaum at Sts. Peter and Paul Church. The next 20 years brought them seven children. Johann was eleven years older than Gertrude and he died in 1881, leaving children ranging from 25 years down to little 5-year old Marry Ann. Gertrude now experienced what her mother had gone through in Stockum, early widowhood with children to raise. She never remarried, but raised her children first on 9th Street near Soulard, the 2632 Lemp Avenue, and finally 3002 Louisiana where she lived until her death with her son John and daughter Mary Ann, and grand daughter Rosemary. AT the time of her death in 1914, she was surrounded by children, grandchildren, and one great grandchild. Tomorrow: Tuesday Herman Joseph Appelbaum history

Johann Engelbert Appelbaum born December 5, 1822 in Suttrop, Nordrhein-Westfalen parents: Adolf Appelbaum born November 1783 in Suttrop, Nordrhein, Westfalen died April 8, 1844 Anna Angela Koeller born September 7, 1782 in Kallenhardt--Died Feb. 25, 1865 Adolf parents: Adolf Cornelius Appelbaum Sophia Knickenberg Anna Koeller parents Johann Ferdindand Koeller married 1780 Anna Maria Sophia Keute Other family Franz Ernst Humpert married Maria Gertrud Risse in Stockum in 1823. He had married Maria Margaretha Plesser in 1815 and she probably died in 1823. He almost certainly had children with her and needed to remarry quickly. I only know of two of Maria Gertrud Risse Humpert children, Hermann and his younger sister (Anna Maria), born in 1833. Franz died before Gertrude was 4 months old. The tax books at Munster tells me that Maria Gertrud continue to farm with her children and probably with help from other relatives. She paid her taxes regularly. 17 years after her first marriage and some years after her second marriage she emigrates to America with Herman and Gertrude, no mention was ever made of any other children. Perhaps they had married and were living with their own families Anna Maria Gertrud Humpert: born Feb. 23, 1833 in Stockum married April 19, 1853, in Sts. Peter and Paul Church St. Louis, Missouri died: July 17, 1917 in Saint Louis, Missouri her parents Franz Ernst Humpert born January 1 , 1783 in Stockum, Nordrhein, Westfalen married May 10, 1823 in St. Pankratius, Koerbecke died: June 18, 1833 Maria Gertrud Risse born July 20, 1792 in Allagen, Nordrhein died about Feb. 16, 1878 in Saint Louis, Missouri Maria's parents: Anton Risse: b. in Neuhaus, Nordrhein-Westfalen died: November 15, 1811 in Allagen Christina Risse b. 1755 in Allagen, Nordrhein died: December 21, 1835

Hi Mary, Not sure if I have sent you an e-mail or not. My ancestor was Henry Hess, came from Hannover, Germany; married Elizabeth Kreher and they had 2 sons: Charles born 1845 and Henry M. born 1848. Henry M. is my great grandfather. I know that the sons were born in St. Louis and Elizabeth in Munster, by Dieberg, Germany. A relative did much searching on her line, so I don't need to do anything. Have not be able, so far, to discover where this couple got married. Started on a microfilm at the county library, but didn't get it finished. Found then in the 1850 Census in St. Louis. Captain Henry Hess died 20 Apr 1851. That is about all I have on him. What sourses of searching do you use in St. Louis besides the library? Thank you. Betty in St. Louis Shamrock1020@aol.com wrote: Haven't had any recent e-mail - just wondering if I am still subscribed. Thanks........Mary ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== OLD-GERMAN-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in German from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old German words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:OLD-GERMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:OLD-GERMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

To Group: I have recently added a my webshots Community two albums of photographs of family members whom emigrated to the Saint Louis Area. My paternal great and great grandparents emigrated to St. Louis in and around the 1860s. One side emigrated from the kingdom of Hanover and became tailors in St. Louis and had a thriving business first in downtown St. Louis and then they moved west to Jefferson and Gravios and the other the other side of the family operated at Tobacco Store at 4th and Plum in the Soulard Area for years. I have scanned images of both these families and placed them at the following web address. Take a look at my family. My wife's family came also from Germany and her family is also listed http://community.webshots.com/user/justmarriednhappy David Witte Family names: Witte, Appelbaum, Schmid, Hess, Heimburger, Korff,Dekold, Furo, Take a look at the following albums: History of the Faut Family Six Generations of my Family Historical Family in St. Louis since 1859 Klek (Begafo)-Dekold Family emigrated

Haven't had any recent e-mail - just wondering if I am still subscribed. Thanks........Mary

I haven't received mailed from the group since last week and I'm just checking to see if I'm just subscribed. Thanks for you patience - Lynn -- Visit my genealogy website: http://webs.lanset.com/lingbro Key surnames: BOCHNICEK, BROD, BROZ, DVORAK, GRAHAM, HRASKY, ONTL, PETRAN, PAZDERA, SMRCKA, STEUERNAGEL, TOUPAL, VANICEK, VOKRACKA and more, most from Missouri, Illinois and New York areas. "ALL INCOMING AND OUTGOING E-MAIL IS SCANNED WITH NORTON ANTI-VIRUS, updated daily"

Hi Gert Put "Front entrance to Shaw,s garden " in Your Google search-There will be several choices ,one of which gives some extensive History & a picture of a sculpture. Hope this Helps, Art in Az. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginny C" <ggineil@cybertrails.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:41 PM Subject: [Germans-STL] Need picture > Does anyone have a picture of the front entrance to Shaw's Gardens when it was on Tower Grove Avenue? > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German traditions. Anything that concerns traditions, culture, folklore, heritage, or why not old recipes and daily life in ancient times in Germany or former German areas is an appropriate topic. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Does anyone have a picture of the front entrance to Shaw's Gardens when it was on Tower Grove Avenue?

I would like to give you some information about Frederick W. Fout account of the battle at Harper's Ferry. The President of the United States in the name of The Congress takes pleasure in presenting the Medal of Honor to >  FOUT, FREDERICK W. Rank and Organization: Second Lieutenant, 15th Battery, > Indiana Light Artillery. Place and Date: Near Harpers Ferry, W. Va., 15 > September 1862. Entered Service At: Indianapolis, Ind. Birth: Germany. Date of > Issue: 2 November 1896. Citation: Voluntarily gathered the men of the battery > together, remanned the guns, which had been ordered abandoned by an officer, > opened fire, and kept up the same on the enemy until after the surrender.   This account comes from the book he wrote in 1903 about his experiences during the Civil War. The account deals with his actions at Harper's Ferry (page 115-116) During the night, I had gone to the northern end of Bolivar Heights with Von Sehlen and his four guns. After selecting a covered place for the caissons and reporting the position to the captain, I remained with him for a time until the firing in our rear on top of Bolivar Heights became most terrific. I rode up to the Captain, saluted him and asked permission to go back to the other guns left in charge of the Austrian Lt. on Bolivar Heights. Every gun of the enemy appeared in action, and every part of our position was unsafe. After riding about a mile through this iron hail, I reached the section, but to my astonishment found it abandoned. I looked around for the cannoneers and soon found them sheltered in a deep gully. I asked the Sergeant and Corporal: "How is this? Why are you not with your guns and replying to the enemy fire?" "Well," said one of the men, " when we were up by the guns we were exposed to the fire on all sides, the Lt. that the Captain put us over us said " Mein Gott in Himmel! Run Boys! Come, get away from here! And so we just left and sought protection' By that time the enemy had ceased most of their firing and I at once seized up the situation, and asked them to join me and we would open fire on the rebels. I soon had the required number to man one gun, and we went up the hill and opened fire. Our aim was directed on School House Hill, near the Winchester pike. Joel Smith, a lead driver of gun Number 3, left his team in the gully and came forward voluntarily to act as Number 3, to stop the vent. Not having a thumb stall, he pulled the sleeve of his blouse forward to protect his thumbs, which after the first shot had already been burned. No sooner had we begun firing that every battery and gun of the enemy renewed their action, and the roar of artillery was most terrific. Colonel Miles, expecting an assault by the infantry, during the brief interval of quiet, called the brigade commanders together. Two batteries and a large part of a division of infantry of the enemy had advanced to our left and rear across the Shenandoah, and not a single shot had been heard for our relief from McClellan's 100,000 on the Maryland side. As the firing in that direction the evening before had apparently receded instead of coming nearer, and as the ammunition was exhausted, the brigade commanders unanimously decided it was absolutely useless to try and defend the post no longer and determined on surrender. Number of Guns used in the Defense of Harper's Ferry and turned over to the Enemy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------- 24- pounders howitzers......................6 20-pounder Parrots............................4 12-pounder guns................................6 6-pounder smooth guns----------------------6 12-pounder light howitzers..................2 3-inch rifled pieces...........................10 3-inch rifled James.............................6 The following guns were spiked: 10-inch Dahlgrens..............................2 50-pounder Parrotts............................1 12-pounder light howitzers...................2 12-pounder guns.................................2 Total 47 If you would like any additional information on this American Hero who served during the Civil War from 1861-1865 from enlistment in Indiana in the days following Fort Sumpter and battle at Camp Jackson to the end of the Civil War please let me know. We have both books that Frederick W. Fout wrote. In our family he is held in high regard as an American Hero, plus being a successful pension attorney after the war up until his death, and in addition a merchant in Indianapolis, cofounder of the 1st Glassworks Company in the West (Indiana) after the Civil War, and a home builder in Indianapolis and in St. Louis, Missouri. He also was a contributing photographer in two books on the Philippines.

I have recently returned from the New Palestine Cemetery in New Palestine, Indiana and took photographs of the headstones for the family of Faut (Fout) and have placed them on the web at www.webshots.com.  You can locate them by going to the following link. IN addition the albums mentioned has other historical photos of other places the Faut (Fout, Fauth) families lived and background history. http://community.webshots.com/user/justmarriednhappy Click on the albums called Fout/Faut family history, Indianapolis & New Palestine, and also Civil War Battlefield (Fredrick W. Fout saw action at the battles of Spring Hill and Franklin, Tennessee. Pursuit of Hood into Alabama October 1-26. Nashville).   If you have any comments or questions please leave them in the guest book so I can update information for all the researchers.   I have found this is an excellent tool for sharing information David Witte

This website will explain Schwaben/Swabia. It bordered on Bavaria and contained parts of today's Bavaria but the dialect is quite different; I understand they can't understand one another in their native dialects. Website: http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/HIST/swabia.html#gener So Schwabenverein would be an organization of Germans from Swabia. I found the above site by a simple search using Schwaben Swabia. You could probably find a lot of others using Google. Roy Johnson Researching Schnake/Schnacke in Kreis Minden, Germany, and worldwide http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~schnake -----Original Message----- From: Lisa Dunn [mailto:pype@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 9:12 PM To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] St. Louis Schwabenverein My mother is from Bavaria and the dialect she speaks is called Schwaben. The language is very close to Yiddish. When my dad was in the service he said the soldiers from New York who spoke Yiddish had no trouble communicating with the locals. I was told once that Schwabens were hillbilly Germans. Needless to say a fight started. When I would speak to my grandmother I could understand the regular German but as soon as she switched to the dialect I was lost. Is this language the same as the name of the organization? Just wondering. Lisa Dunn Washougal, Washington Gateway to the Columbia River Gorge Searching for Becker, Saeger, Kramer, Eberle and Schwinn On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, at 08:28 AM, Mark Wiehe wrote: > on 6/7/04 10:44 PM, LuvKUHawks@aol.com at LuvKUHawks@aol.com wrote: > >> I just received a copy of a 1920 obituary for Christian Schmid. It >> states >> that he was a member of Brewers' Union, Local No. 6, and St. Louis >> Schwabenverein. >> Can someone please tell me what the Schwabenverein might be? >> Thank you in advance for your help. >> Frances >> >> >> ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== >> LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or >> historical >> interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin >> from >> earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin >> words, >> phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send >> subscribe >> to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or >> mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> > Frances -- Others may have more information but I feel the > Schwabenverein > was an organization for German-speakers who came from Hungary, what > now is > Yugoslavia, and Romania. These folks are known as Donauschawben -- > they got > the name because they took the Donau (Danube) from parts of Germany, > Alsace-Lorraine etc. to settle areas that were part of the > Austro-Hungarian > empire in the mid-1700s primarily. I know the Donauschwaben still have > an > active organization and have a nice facility on Jefferson Ave. in > South St. > Louis. They built the facility from money selling bratwursts at St. > Louis' > big German festival, the Strassenfest. I forgot to mention that > Germans who > settled throughout eastern Europe were also called Volksdeutsch. My > grandfather was a Donauschwab and he may have been unusualy be he > always > identified himself as Hungarian and not German, although his written > and > spoken language was German. Culturally he didn't associate with other > "true" > Germans in St. Louis but socialized with other "Schwobs" as they're > often > called. Hope this helps. Mark Wiehe, Columbia, MO. > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, > cultural or historical interest in German traditions. Anything that > concerns traditions, culture, folklore, heritage, or why not old > recipes and daily life in ancient times in Germany or former German > areas is an appropriate topic. 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My mother is from Bavaria and the dialect she speaks is called Schwaben. The language is very close to Yiddish. When my dad was in the service he said the soldiers from New York who spoke Yiddish had no trouble communicating with the locals. I was told once that Schwabens were hillbilly Germans. Needless to say a fight started. When I would speak to my grandmother I could understand the regular German but as soon as she switched to the dialect I was lost. Is this language the same as the name of the organization? Just wondering. Lisa Dunn Washougal, Washington Gateway to the Columbia River Gorge Searching for Becker, Saeger, Kramer, Eberle and Schwinn On Tuesday, June 8, 2004, at 08:28 AM, Mark Wiehe wrote: > on 6/7/04 10:44 PM, LuvKUHawks@aol.com at LuvKUHawks@aol.com wrote: > >> I just received a copy of a 1920 obituary for Christian Schmid. It >> states >> that he was a member of Brewers' Union, Local No. 6, and St. Louis >> Schwabenverein. >> Can someone please tell me what the Schwabenverein might be? >> Thank you in advance for your help. >> Frances >> >> >> ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== >> LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or >> historical >> interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin >> from >> earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin >> words, >> phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send >> subscribe >> to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or >> mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> > Frances -- Others may have more information but I feel the > Schwabenverein > was an organization for German-speakers who came from Hungary, what > now is > Yugoslavia, and Romania. These folks are known as Donauschawben -- > they got > the name because they took the Donau (Danube) from parts of Germany, > Alsace-Lorraine etc. to settle areas that were part of the > Austro-Hungarian > empire in the mid-1700s primarily. I know the Donauschwaben still have > an > active organization and have a nice facility on Jefferson Ave. in > South St. > Louis. They built the facility from money selling bratwursts at St. > Louis' > big German festival, the Strassenfest. I forgot to mention that > Germans who > settled throughout eastern Europe were also called Volksdeutsch. My > grandfather was a Donauschwab and he may have been unusualy be he > always > identified himself as Hungarian and not German, although his written > and > spoken language was German. Culturally he didn't associate with other > "true" > Germans in St. Louis but socialized with other "Schwobs" as they're > often > called. Hope this helps. Mark Wiehe, Columbia, MO. > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, > cultural or historical interest in German traditions. Anything that > concerns traditions, culture, folklore, heritage, or why not old > recipes and daily life in ancient times in Germany or former German > areas is an appropriate topic. To subscribe click on > mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe > (Mail Mode) or > mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe > (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

on 6/7/04 10:44 PM, LuvKUHawks@aol.com at LuvKUHawks@aol.com wrote: > I just received a copy of a 1920 obituary for Christian Schmid. It states > that he was a member of Brewers' Union, Local No. 6, and St. Louis > Schwabenverein. > Can someone please tell me what the Schwabenverein might be? > Thank you in advance for your help. > Frances > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical > interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from > earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, > phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe > to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or > mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > Frances -- Others may have more information but I feel the Schwabenverein was an organization for German-speakers who came from Hungary, what now is Yugoslavia, and Romania. These folks are known as Donauschawben -- they got the name because they took the Donau (Danube) from parts of Germany, Alsace-Lorraine etc. to settle areas that were part of the Austro-Hungarian empire in the mid-1700s primarily. I know the Donauschwaben still have an active organization and have a nice facility on Jefferson Ave. in South St. Louis. They built the facility from money selling bratwursts at St. Louis' big German festival, the Strassenfest. I forgot to mention that Germans who settled throughout eastern Europe were also called Volksdeutsch. My grandfather was a Donauschwab and he may have been unusualy be he always identified himself as Hungarian and not German, although his written and spoken language was German. Culturally he didn't associate with other "true" Germans in St. Louis but socialized with other "Schwobs" as they're often called. Hope this helps. Mark Wiehe, Columbia, MO.

Hi Frances: Don't know - it literally means "floated' (Schwaben) "society" (verein). There were many 'vereins' in St. Louis - many German societies/organizations. Maybe they floated in the beer? Found this: The Rochester Schwaben Verein, Inc., was organized on October 17, 1875. The original purpose of the Verein was to create an association of good fellowship, bringing together all the Schwaben people in the Rochester area to cultivate customs and language of their native land. By 1888, they formally became recognized as an aid and welfare organization because of the concern with the welfare of its members in those early years. After more than a century since the organization of the Verein, today we still carry on the tradition of the Verein with more than 100 members. We have the affiliation of the Frauen Club, organized in 1936, which supports all endeavors of the Verein. See: http://goethenet.net/schwabenverein/ I'm sure the German-American Club of StL could tell you - See http://www.gahs-stlouis.org/ Good hunting Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: <LuvKUHawks@aol.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 11:44 PM Subject: [Germans-STL] St. Louis Schwabenverein > I just received a copy of a 1920 obituary for Christian Schmid. It states > that he was a member of Brewers' Union, Local No. 6, and St. Louis > Schwabenverein. > Can someone please tell me what the Schwabenverein might be? > Thank you in advance for your help. > Frances > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

I just received a copy of a 1920 obituary for Christian Schmid. It states that he was a member of Brewers' Union, Local No. 6, and St. Louis Schwabenverein. Can someone please tell me what the Schwabenverein might be? Thank you in advance for your help. Frances

Gary, Thanks for the Buchholz data. There must have been at least two different families in Cincinnati at the same time, I have a family history on one of them. All the data you sent is apparently from the other ones. Bill Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Bill: Have some Cincy Buchholz's in Index of Death Notices - Cincinnati Volksblatt - 1846-1918 Notice publ. Death Age Maiden name Anna 1Apr1883 28 March 14yrs-8m-14days Carl 17Jan1899 14 Jan 67 y Charlotte Dorthea 6Apr 1874 1Apr 2m-16d Dietrich 6Jun1883 4June 42yrs Elizabeth 28Mar1883 34 yr 7m 7d - Augustine Georg 2Nov1886 1Nov 64 Georg 7Mar1895 Henry 2Dec1899 29Nov 21 5-17d Ida 19Nov1900 17Nov 33-2=13 Ernstberger Louise 4Mar1876 2Mar 1yr 4mo Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: <kimbuc4@juno.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: [Germans-STL] Re: Buchholz in Cincinnati > Kathy, > > Didn't have the information you posted, thanks. I collect anything > dealing with the family surname. > > Bill > > Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere > -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN > G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A virus that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., go please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Buchholz also in Jefferson City and in Gasconade County, MO. ----- Original Message ----- From: <kimbuc4@juno.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 9:50 AM Subject: [Germans-STL] Re: Buchholz in Cincinnati > Kathy, > > Didn't have the information you posted, thanks. I collect anything > dealing with the family surname. > > Bill > > Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere > -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN > G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A virus that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., go please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Kathy, Didn't have the information you posted, thanks. I collect anything dealing with the family surname. Bill Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!