Bob, How do you pronounce "Carondelet"? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Doerr" <bdoerr@rollanet.org> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 4:51 AM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Iron molders in St. Louis > Several iron foundries in St. Louis. Carondelet was a big one. > > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Wieland" <kathy@craftsbykathy.com> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 8:28 PM > Subject: [Germans-STL] Iron molders in St. Louis > > > > Hello List! > > > > > > > > I have a Vincent Wieland born in 1848 who is an iron molder. I was > > > > told that this person would be a tool & die maker. He is listed as > > > > an iron molder in many St. Louis City Directories, but there are gaps. > > > > After 1903, he is no longer listed in the directory, but I cannot find a > > > > resting place for him. > > > > > > > > I'm suspecting that he went to work somewhere. Does anyone out > > > > there know anything about iron molding or locations where St. Louis > > > > iron molders might have been employed from 1880 - 1910? His > > > > wife, a midwife, is not listed as his widow until 1919. > > > > > > > > Thank you for any insights, information, or help. > > > > > > > > Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland > > > > Goedeker, Wieland, Schott of Apple Creek, MO, Reeder, Schweninger, Tucci, > > Sykora > > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list > mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > (digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list > related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A virus that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., go please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > >

In a message dated 8/8/2004 6:56:54 AM Central Standard Time, kay_r2@yahoo.com writes: www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/beer.htm Hi Listers, Thanks to all who replied about Excelsior Brewery. Mary

Wasn't there also a Busch Brewery in Buffalo, NY? Seems like some of my husbands family of Busch had a Brewery there.... Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Doerr" <bdoerr@rollanet.org> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Busch & Breweries > Anheuser-Busch has quite a historical department. Maybe they know. > > > Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bobbie" <bobbiev@swbell.net> > To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Busch & Breweries > > > > The City Directories for St. Louis usually list an occupation and > > sometimes an employer. If you know the time period, you might > > have goo luck there. > > > > Bobbie > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 Aug 2004 at 10:15, LuvKUHawks@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Just to add my tidbit - my mother's first cousin, Ernst Erler, was > > > said to be (in family legend) the private secretary to Augie Busch. I > > > do not know which Mr. Busch that would be. Any thoughts on how to > > > confirm this information. Thank you in advance for your help. Frances > > > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > > OLD-GERMAN-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or > > > historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents > > > in German from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and > > > discussing old German words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique > > > jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to > > > mailto:OLD-GERMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or > > > mailto:OLD-GERMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list > mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > (digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list > related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hi Carol, According to the info that I have, it was located in St. Louis. Where I don't know. I think someone on the list may be able to give us an answer. Mary

Anheuser-Busch has quite a historical department. Maybe they know. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbie" <bobbiev@swbell.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Busch & Breweries > The City Directories for St. Louis usually list an occupation and > sometimes an employer. If you know the time period, you might > have goo luck there. > > Bobbie > > > > > > On 8 Aug 2004 at 10:15, LuvKUHawks@aol.com wrote: > > > Just to add my tidbit - my mother's first cousin, Ernst Erler, was > > said to be (in family legend) the private secretary to Augie Busch. I > > do not know which Mr. Busch that would be. Any thoughts on how to > > confirm this information. Thank you in advance for your help. Frances > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > OLD-GERMAN-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or > > historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents > > in German from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and > > discussing old German words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique > > jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to > > mailto:OLD-GERMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or > > mailto:OLD-GERMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Just to add my tidbit - my mother's first cousin, Ernst Erler, was said to be (in family legend) the private secretary to Augie Busch. I do not know which Mr. Busch that would be. Any thoughts on how to confirm this information. Thank you in advance for your help. Frances

Hello Kay - Your response regarding the breweries is very interesting - especially the comment "(strange family, the Lemps)"; so what, pray tell, strange things did they do? I had lunch in the Lemp house a few years ago. Were the Lemps any more strange than the Busch family? I should think someone would have written a book about the beer-drinkers/makers in St. Louis by now. I've read the one on the Busch family. Maureen (native of Kirkwood, now in CA)

The City Directories for St. Louis usually list an occupation and sometimes an employer. If you know the time period, you might have goo luck there. Bobbie On 8 Aug 2004 at 10:15, LuvKUHawks@aol.com wrote: > Just to add my tidbit - my mother's first cousin, Ernst Erler, was > said to be (in family legend) the private secretary to Augie Busch. I > do not know which Mr. Busch that would be. Any thoughts on how to > confirm this information. Thank you in advance for your help. Frances > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > OLD-GERMAN-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or > historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents > in German from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and > discussing old German words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique > jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to > mailto:OLD-GERMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or > mailto:OLD-GERMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Maureen, The Lemp Mansion is purported to be "haunted". Despite their extraordinary success in the brewery business, their wealth and their social prominence, their personal lives are full of tradgedy. There were scandals, divorces, suicides, etc. There are some interesting books out there, some of them dones just recently. The following link should take you to a site that kind of encapsulates some of what happened to them. www.legendsofAmerica.com/mo.lempmansion2.html Having grown up in South St. Louis I heard some of the rumors.I had gotten my great grandfather's Civil War Pension file from NARA. He had filed for a pension after his right leg was finally amputated as a result of the gunshot would he had sustained in 1865. The leg had not been treated properly at the time. Apparantly, it had also not been documented properly either. After 20 something years, he had to try to locate army mates who could attest to the fact the wound actually occurred as a result of battle. Former employers also attested to the fact that he had always limped, and when asked said it was from a gunshot would gotten during the Civil War. Everyone also had to attest to his character and integrity. At the time he was working for William Lemp II, whose affadavit was also included. Because they thought so much of him, the Lemps continued to pay my g-grandfather for almost a year after the amputation in hopes that he would be able to return to his job, but due to fi! nancial strains the brewery was undergoing at the time, they had to discontinue. At any rate, my g-grandfather finally proved his claim and collected his pension, but seeing the affadavit from William Lemp II recalled the rumors and I did some research. It appears the Lemp family's business and personal problems started about this same time, including a nasty divorce, the suicide of William Lemp, Sr., and the downhill spiral of the rest of the Lemp family. Many exhibited strange behaviors that we now associate with bi-polar disorder or manic depression. There are some interesting books out there - some written recently. I have also read the Busch family book (and they certainly did some strange things, too). However, after reading the Busch family chronicle, I felt no real sympathy for them. They impressed me as being ruthless and willing to do anything to get what they wanted. I did feel sorry for the Lemps and what happened to them, perhaps because they suffered from a then unknown mental disorder that caused them to self destruct. Happy reading! Spaghettitree@aol.com wrote: Hello Kay - Your response regarding the breweries is very interesting - especially the comment "(strange family, the Lemps)"; so what, pray tell, strange things did they do? I had lunch in the Lemp house a few years ago. Were the Lemps any more strange than the Busch family? I should think someone would have written a book about the beer-drinkers/makers in St. Louis by now. I've read the one on the Busch family. Maureen (native of Kirkwood, now in CA) ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A virus that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., go please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now.

Hello, Sorry I cannot help you with the Excelcior Brewery at this time, but my elusive STECHER family had St. Louis brewery ties so wanted to touch base with you. My Stecher family worked first with Mr. Busch, then established Stecher Cooperage Works next door to the old Busch mansion, making barrels and casks for the St. Louis brewing industry. Later many moved to Murphysboro to establish Rudolph Stecher Brewery Co. Would love to share information as we move forward. Happy Hunting! Kindest regards, Linda Rains Researching Renchen, Baden, Germany Stecher's w/St. Louis connections to: Mueller,Hoppe,Schandl... > >

Kay, My ggrandfather, George Edw. STREITZ, also worked for the Lemps in the late 1800s and early 1900s. I wrote several folks who might have had any type of employee lists, etc, trying to get an idea what my ggrandfather's history was with the Lemps, but was unable to get any information. My father, when a child, said that he was told by his grandmother, Geo.'s wife, that she too worked in the caves for the Lemps. Do you or any listers have any employee lists or anything from the Lemp Brewery that could reveal additional information on his employment with the brewery? Yes, the Lemps were a strange bunch. When at the Lemp Mansion a couple years ago, I purchased a book on the Lemps, titled, "Lemp - The Haunting History", written by Stephen P. Walker. It tracks the family through all their triumphs and tragedies. Lots of photographs, all in all a good read. BTW, I donated a Lemp Brewery stein to the Mansion that had belonged to George Edw. It's displayed at the Mansion with the other memorabilia from the once-proud and thriving brewery. Regards to all, Bill Streitz Shalimar, FL

Dear Mary, There were between 40-53 breweries in existence in the mid to late 1800's in St. Louis. I learned this doing some research on my great-grandfather who worked as a clerk in the office at the Lemp Brewery (strange family, the Lemps). A few of my other family members were listed as having been brewey workers in census info too. I vaguely remembered Excelsior as having been listed and looked it up again. Excelsor was in business from 1876-1899, after which time in was absorbed by St. Louis Brewers. Found the article at the web address below. www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/stlouis/beer.htm Kay Shamrock1020@aol.com wrote: Hi Listers, I have learned that my g.g.grandfather was a proprietor for the Excelsior Brewery in St. Louis. Has anyone heard of this brewery??? This would have been in 1876 or so. Thanks. Mary ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!

Several iron foundries in St. Louis. Carondelet was a big one. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Wieland" <kathy@craftsbykathy.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: [Germans-STL] Iron molders in St. Louis > Hello List! > > > > I have a Vincent Wieland born in 1848 who is an iron molder. I was > > told that this person would be a tool & die maker. He is listed as > > an iron molder in many St. Louis City Directories, but there are gaps. > > After 1903, he is no longer listed in the directory, but I cannot find a > > resting place for him. > > > > I'm suspecting that he went to work somewhere. Does anyone out > > there know anything about iron molding or locations where St. Louis > > iron molders might have been employed from 1880 - 1910? His > > wife, a midwife, is not listed as his widow until 1919. > > > > Thank you for any insights, information, or help. > > > > Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland > > Goedeker, Wieland, Schott of Apple Creek, MO, Reeder, Schweninger, Tucci, > Sykora > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

The city directory would very probably show the brewery. There may even be brewery ads in the directory. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMckay722@aol.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Excelsior Brewery > In a message dated 8/7/2004 9:10:06 PM Central Daylight Time, > Shamrock1020@aol.com writes: > I have learned that my g.g.grandfather was a proprietor for the Excelsior > Brewery in St. Louis. Has anyone heard of this brewery??? This would have > been in 1876 or so. > > Thanks. > > Mary > I haven't heard of the Excelsior Brewery but I would like to. Where was it? > > Thanks > Carol > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

In a message dated 8/7/2004 9:10:06 PM Central Daylight Time, Shamrock1020@aol.com writes: I have learned that my g.g.grandfather was a proprietor for the Excelsior Brewery in St. Louis. Has anyone heard of this brewery??? This would have been in 1876 or so. Thanks. Mary I haven't heard of the Excelsior Brewery but I would like to. Where was it? Thanks Carol

Hi Listers, I have learned that my g.g.grandfather was a proprietor for the Excelsior Brewery in St. Louis. Has anyone heard of this brewery??? This would have been in 1876 or so. Thanks. Mary

Thank you, Bob. I'm thinking that he perhaps was sent to a foundry outside St. Louis when he became a foreman. I'd like to know if there were well known foundries in IL and outside St. Louis. Can you recommend a book? Thank you, Kathy -----Original Message----- From: Bob Doerr [mailto:bdoerr@rollanet.org] Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 3:52 AM To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Iron molders in St. Louis Several iron foundries in St. Louis. Carondelet was a big one. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Wieland" <kathy@craftsbykathy.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: [Germans-STL] Iron molders in St. Louis > Hello List! > > > > I have a Vincent Wieland born in 1848 who is an iron molder. I was > > told that this person would be a tool & die maker. He is listed as > > an iron molder in many St. Louis City Directories, but there are gaps. > > After 1903, he is no longer listed in the directory, but I cannot find a > > resting place for him. > > > > I'm suspecting that he went to work somewhere. Does anyone out > > there know anything about iron molding or locations where St. Louis > > iron molders might have been employed from 1880 - 1910? His > > wife, a midwife, is not listed as his widow until 1919. > > > > Thank you for any insights, information, or help. > > > > Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland > > Goedeker, Wieland, Schott of Apple Creek, MO, Reeder, Schweninger, Tucci, > Sykora > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A virus that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., go please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/

Hello List! I have a Vincent Wieland born in 1848 who is an iron molder. I was told that this person would be a tool & die maker. He is listed as an iron molder in many St. Louis City Directories, but there are gaps. After 1903, he is no longer listed in the directory, but I cannot find a resting place for him. I'm suspecting that he went to work somewhere. Does anyone out there know anything about iron molding or locations where St. Louis iron molders might have been employed from 1880 - 1910? His wife, a midwife, is not listed as his widow until 1919. Thank you for any insights, information, or help. Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland Goedeker, Wieland, Schott of Apple Creek, MO, Reeder, Schweninger, Tucci, Sykora

Regina Schmid was one of four in her family of eleven children who came to America. Two died in infancy, so there were five who remained with their parents after emigration. George, Nickolaus, Agnes, and Ursula shared her life in Saint Louis, Missouri and Edwardsville, Illinois. Some background on Regina Schmid siblings: Tragedy befell the Schmid family in America, when Ursula was killed by her third husband. Her first husband, Moritz Schmid, had died of sunstroke, and apparently her second, Charles Schumacher, also died. She had been married to Joseph Burkhardt for about six years and the marriage was not a happy one. They had separated several times. When they argued over a $100 debt she said that he owed her and she called an attorney. Joseph became angry. He shot her twice in the chest, killing her instantly. He then shot himself in the head and the bullet lodge in the brain. He died several hours later. The murders occurred at a friend's house where Ursula had been visiting. Her obituary stated that her parents had died earlier. Her father twenty years prior and her mother died in 1880. The obituary states that she is survived by her four siblings that came to America and a brother and sister in Germany. If this is correct I must conclude that two of her four siblings back in Winzeln died before 1897. Ursula was Regina's second youngest sister, eleven years younger than Regina, and the youngest of the immigrants. Her violent death at 39 must have been a devastating blow to the whole family. (Note parts of this account was taken from Ursula's obituary in the Edwardsville Intelligencer, in January of 1897, Regina's brothers, George and Nickolaus Schmid, operated a meat and grocery marker in South Saint Louis. Regina worked there and possibly it was there was there that she met her future husband. We know that they moved to Edwardsville immediately after the wedding. But we don't know why? We certainly know of no other family members on either side who lived there. But we don't know about scouts. "Scouts" were members of a village who made the voyage to the new country, wherever it was, to look for favorable settlements spots for the rest of the prospective immigrants. We have no idea who came first from Winzeln or Sonneberg. Perhaps it was Matthaus Gaus, who came with his wife and children in 1850 or was it the Dippold family. From Johann Nicol Hess naturalization papers we know that he was a friend living in Edwardsville, Martin Dippold. In later years, Ed and John Dippold came to Regina aid when she was trying to get her widow's pension, after Ed Dippold was a pallbearer for her husband. Regina did not get matters settled with the pension board before she died on March 31, 1901, Regina died while walking to St. Boniface Catholic Church to attend vespers. She started feeling ill and sat down upon the steps of Louis Hartung's Vandalia Street shop. She was taken inside by a passing woman and placed on a sofa, within 5 minutes a doctor arrived and pronounced her dead. Minutes after her passing her daughter, Miss Augusta had arrived from the church and saw her mother before her eyes were closed. Our family has Regina Schmid Report Card from her last year in School at Saint Moritz in Winzeln. She attended school from 1843-1850. Schmid family: Husband: Moriz Schmid **** (See note below) born 05 September 1806 in Winzeln, Baden-Wuerttemburg Married: 22 April 1833 in St. Moritiz, Winzeln Died: 22 October 1870 in Winzeln, Baden-Wuerteemburg Father: Joseph Schmid Mother: Helena Ott Wife: Katharina Schmid born 13 April 1809 in: Winzeln, Baden-Wuerttemburg died: 04 November 1880 in: Winzeln, Baden-Wuerttemburg Father: Adam Schmid Mother: Agnes Lehman Children: 1 Name: Margaretha Schmid F born: 20 Feb. 1834 in: . died: 04 April 1834 in Winzeln, Baden-Wuerttemburg at 43 days 2 Name: Georg Schmid m born 24 April 1835 in Winzeln, Baden-Wuerttemburg Married: 26 June 1853 in Saint Louis, Missouri Spouse: Mary Idecker 3 Regina Schmid f born 05 September 1837 in Winzeln, Baden-Wuerttemburg Married: 03 March 1862 in: St. Joseph Church, Saint Louis, Missouri died: 31 March 1901 in Edwardsville, Illinois Spouse: Johann Nicol Hess 4. Basilia Schmid F born: 23 June 1839 in Winzeln, Baden-Wuerttemburg Married: 30 April 1872 in Winzeln, Baden Wuerttemburg Spouse: Anton Schneiderhan 5. Agnes Schmid F born: 18 January 1841 in Winzeln, Baden-Wuerttemburg Married: 20 September in United States Spouse: John Bishop 6. Nikolaus Schmid M born: 07 December 1842 in Winzeln, Baden-Wuerttemburg Married: 20 September 1870 Died: in United States Spouse: Zelina Schmid 7. Salomon Schmid M born: 08 February 1844 in Winzeln, Baden-Wuerttemburg Married: 08 February 1870 8. Albertina Schmid F born: 05 November 1845 in Winzeln, Baden-Wuerttemburg Married: 19 October 1863 in Winzeln, Baden-Wuerttemburg Spouse: Moriz Heim 9. Ursula Schmid F born: 20 October 1848 in Winzeln, Baden-Wuerttemburg Married: ABT 1894 last time in: Illinois Died: 12 January 1897 in: Edwardsville, Madison County, Illinois, U.S. A. Spouses: Moritz Schmid, Charles Schumacher, and Joseph Burkhardt 10. Wendelin Schmid M born: 20 October 1848 in Winzeln, Baden-Wuerttemburg Died: 12 February 1849 in Winzeln, Baden-Wuerttemburg, at almost 4 months 11. Justina Schmid F born: 04 June 1851 in Winzeln, Baden-Wuerttemburg Married: 19 July 1880 Died: 11 February 1896 Spouse: Christian Beh Moriz Schmid Ancestors: Joseph Schmid: b. 27 February 1774 in Staffelbach, Baden Wuerttemburg m. 25 February 1800 in Winzeln, Germany d. October 29, 1936 spouse: Helena Ott b. 30 April 1774 d. 29 October 1836 Joseph Schmid FATHER Stephen Schmid b. January 1741/1742 m. June 22, 1768 in Oberndorf, Baden-Wuerttemburg d. 14 March 1814 spouse: Agatha Ott b. 30 January 1739/40 d. 24 May 1816 Joseph Schmid Grandparents Johannes Schmid b. 15 November 1701 m. 08 November 1738 spouse: Maria Magdalena Gaus b. 11 June 1708 Joseph Schmid Great Grandparents Lorenz Schmid b. 07 August 1670 spouse: Maria Eit b. 14 August 1672 c. 08 June 1723 Joseph Schmid Great-Great Grandparents m. Before 1656 spouse: Ursula Melber We have been also able to trace back each generation of Regina Schmid ancestors from her mother family back 4 generations and in each generation we find the family originated in Winzeln, Germany all the way back to 1653. If you have more information on this family or even information on the village of Winzeln, we would be very interested. David

Johann Nicol(aus) Hess was born 29 January 1832 at Weidhausen, Sonneberg, Herzothum, Saxon-Megen. Johann Nicol Hess arrived in America at the port of New Orleans in 1856. Nick's passport or "Legitimation" describe him in October of 1856 as being feet, 3 inches tall.   The form of his face was full and his color healthy.   His hair and eyebrows were brown and his forehead was rounded.   His jaw was long and his beard was blond.   This "Legitimation" was issued in Sonneberg, July 30, 1856, just eleven days after his father went to court for him. His father had appeared in the Court of the Ducal Administrator," accompanied by the Ducal Administrator Assistant, made this plea to the court: That his son, Johann Nicol Hess, wished to go to America and had posted notice. Further, that now he had an opportunity to leave sooner than expected. That this presented him with a terrible problem. because of the time requirement for the posting. Accordingly, Georg placed his son at the mercy of the court, without whose help, he said his son could not solve this problem and receive his emigration pass. As his suggestion to the court, he proposed that he himself stand good for the debts that his son might have incurred. He requested that he be allowed to do so and urgently begged the court to grant his son his traveling visa. All of this occurred on the 19th of July 1856. In his Declaration of Intention for Naturalization in this country Johann Nicol renounces his allegiance to the King of Saxony.    Nick filed his Declaration of Intent in May 1856 He came to America in October 1856. Johann Nicol Hess was the eldest of seven children born to his parents, but two of the children died at extremely young ages. Nick left his parents and three younger brothers and sister behind in Germany and never to see them again. He joined the German Volunteer of the Fourth Regiment, U. S. Reserve Corps.   He was private in Company F, 4th  Missouri. U.S. R. C.. Inft. Volunteers and was at the Battle of Camp Jackson which was to the west of Downtown St. Louis and served from May 10, 1861-August 19, 1861 when he was mustered out.   Nicol had suffered a debilitating rupture (hernia) at some time during his three month period, and did not reenlist.   Nick's discharge after 103 days in the army left him a little unhappy.   Nick went back to work after his discharge. Barrels were an essential commodity during  the war years so work was not hard to find.   Perhaps he had met his future wife, Regina Schimd, before his term of service, for they were married less and 7 months later.   It was a mixed marriage, because Regina was catholic and he was Lutheran. and his marriage of Regina Schmid took place March 2, 1862.   Immediately afterward they went to Edwardsville, Illinois and he lived there until his death.   He was a cooper after his duty in the Union Forces during the civil war, but retired in 1891.   He then purchased different homes and lots which afforded him a steady income + his pension from (being a soldier during the War of Rebellion) up until his death.   He was survived by his widow and five children.   Sophia, widow of Fred Begemann,  Bertha of St. Louis, Minnie (Wilhelmina), wife of Joseph Stieren, John and Augusta Hess.   All of their children were raised catholic, but Nick stayed a staunch Lutheran. And at his death he owned five pieces of property, including one on Main Street where in lived with his wife. Three were accessed at $500 a piece and two at $125 each. He also had personal property of a substantial amount for that time but less than $1000. In 2004, their house in Edwardsville, Illinois is still standing and being lived in In the 1870s there was a picture taken of Nick and his cooperage shop at 1502 West Main Street with 11 coopers who worked for Nick. The last named child, Miss Augusta had been in a convent for three years in Racine Wisconsin but several months prior to her father's death, she received a strange premonition that she was needed at home and although she could not explain it, it was so uneasy that she acted upon the prompting and arrived home on the day before Thanksgiving.   She found that her father had been wishing for her.   He having some anticipation of the end and she remained with her parents we were living at home alone. Family Lineage Georg Nicol Hess born December 17, 1808 in Weidhausen, Thuringia, Germany    married about 1830 in Gefell, Thuringia, Germany                 wife: Sophia Schindelm (in)  born About 1810 in Gefell, Thuringia, Germany Children: 1. Johann Nicol Hess born 29 January 1832 in Weidhausen Married: St. Joseph Church, St. Louis March 3, 1862       Died: January 12, 1901 in Edwardsville, Illinois       Spouse: Regina Schmid 2. Elizabeth Hess born: 3 November 1834 in Weidhausen          Died: 8 November 1834 in Weidhausen 3.  Anna Margaretha Hess  born: 28 December 1835 in Weidhausen         Died: 05 January 1836 in Weidhausen 4.  Nicol Hess  born: 08 May 1840  in Weidhausen 5.   Johann Georg Hess  born: 09 January 1843  in Weidhausen 6.    Sabina  Hess   born 09 June 1843  in Weidhausen 7.   Oswald Hess   born 12 May 1849 in Weidhausen See Above:       Georg Nicol Parents:           Johann Georg Hess b. June 25, 1774 in Koppelsdorf, Thuringia married 14 June 1799 in St. Aegidian Church, Oberlind Thuringia died 09 June 1844 in Weidhausen, Thuringia Anna Margaretha Heusser(in) b. 30 January 1779 in Weidhausen, Thuringia died: 30 October 1843 in Weidhausen, Thuringia Johann Georg Hess parents: Johann Georg Hess b. Abt 1750 married about 1770 Anna Barbara Hess(in) born about 1750 in Steinbach Anna Margaretha Heusser(in) Parents Georg Nicol Heusser Margaretha Barbara Schildhelm Johann Georg Hess