Mary, Monday-Thursday from noon to 6 p.m., Friday-Sunday noon to 9 p.m. Adult admission is $2.00. Kay Mary Berhorst <mberhorst@midamerica.net> wrote: What is the time the Farris(?) wheel at Forest Park is open. I am from out of town and would like to ride on it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay Reeves" To: Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] Reptile Hose - talk on iron moulders > I think I would also consider checking to see what information the Missouri History Museum may have. I know they have a lot of information and artifacts from the 1904 World's Fair and from all time periods in the history of St. Louis. > > Kay > > Gary Stoltman wrote: > Hi Ruth: > > Don't know. > You remind me of the elaborate hand rails around the center court 'swamp.' > Believe the Birdcage was 1st - from the Fair and then the Lion House abt > 1915. I'm guessing that the Elephant House, Primate House and Reptile House > were built between 1915 and the Bearpits, which were installed in > 1921,22,23. > > Suppose you might try contacting the Zoo directly. Good hunting > > Gary Stoltman > Mercerville, NJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruth" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:50 PM > Subject: [Germans-STL] All the talk on iron moulders... St. Louis Zoo ??? > > > > I would like to know if anyone knows of the company who was in charge of > doing the IRON work at the St. Louis Zoo. > > My grandfather and his brother were moulders and they worked on the iron > parts of the Snake / Reptile House over there. > > Grandpa then moved to Illinois and his brother ended up working for Bush > Brewery. > > Any ideas or suggestions welcome, > > Ruth in ILL > > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > > To unsubscribe from this list click on > mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list > mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > (digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list > related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German traditions. Anything that concerns traditions, culture, folklore, heritage, or why not old recipes and daily life in ancient times in Germany or former German areas is an appropriate topic. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A virus that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., go please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

Why don't you try contacting the local unions in St. Louis who fabricated the iron - Local 396 is an outside local, putting up the iron for bridges and buildings. I believe Local 518 is the shopmen's local, who fabricate the iron such as fences you are talking about. The HQ is: International Association of Bridge, Structural and Ornamental and Reinforcing Iron Workers, www.ironworkers.org Ask which is the shopmen's local in St. Louis. If I can find the address I will post it. The HQ used to be in the Continental Building at Grand and Olive - moved to Washington, D.C. in 1972. Maureen

I think I would also consider checking to see what information the Missouri History Museum may have. I know they have a lot of information and artifacts from the 1904 World's Fair and from all time periods in the history of St. Louis. Kay Gary Stoltman <stopan@optonline.net> wrote: Hi Ruth: Don't know. You remind me of the elaborate hand rails around the center court 'swamp.' Believe the Birdcage was 1st - from the Fair and then the Lion House abt 1915. I'm guessing that the Elephant House, Primate House and Reptile House were built between 1915 and the Bearpits, which were installed in 1921,22,23. Suppose you might try contacting the Zoo directly. Good hunting Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth" To: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:50 PM Subject: [Germans-STL] All the talk on iron moulders... St. Louis Zoo ??? > I would like to know if anyone knows of the company who was in charge of doing the IRON work at the St. Louis Zoo. > My grandfather and his brother were moulders and they worked on the iron parts of the Snake / Reptile House over there. > Grandpa then moved to Illinois and his brother ended up working for Bush Brewery. > Any ideas or suggestions welcome, > Ruth in ILL > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German traditions. Anything that concerns traditions, culture, folklore, heritage, or why not old recipes and daily life in ancient times in Germany or former German areas is an appropriate topic. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-TRADITIONS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!

Hi Marsha: There was a Charles Rowekamp, a delegate to the Illinois Democratic Convention in 1892. He was from Edwardsville, Illinois - across the river from St. Louis. Two out of three Germans coming through New Orleans in the 1850s also came to or thru St Louis. Good hunting Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marsha Ensminger" <marshaensminger@yahoo.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 7:27 PM Subject: [Germans-STL] Windmoeller > Anyone out there researching the Windmoeller surname? (Also > Wintmoeller, the "oe" should be o-umlaut...) > > I've just found out that an ancestress's sister and family immigrated > on the same ship, arriving in New Orleans on the "Adler" on 11 Nov > 1857. They were Caroline Wilhemline "Charlotte" ROWEKAMP (lots of > variants on this) and Christian Friedrich WINDMOELLER, with children > Wilhelm, Louise, Friedrich, and Carl, of Blasheim or Stockhausen, > Westphalia. > > A probable nephew, Carl ROWEKAMP, age 19, was also on the ship. I > haven't been able to track him or the WINDMOELLERs in the census yet, > (probably haven't been sufficiently creative with my spelling) though > I've been told there are living WINDMOELLER descendants. > > Thanks. > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. > http://messenger.yahoo.com > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > GERMAN-SURNAMES-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical, cultural or historical interest in German surnames, given names, etc. To subscribe click on mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Mail Mode) or mailto:GERMAN-SURNAMES-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Ruth: Don't know. You remind me of the elaborate hand rails around the center court 'swamp.' Believe the Birdcage was 1st - from the Fair and then the Lion House abt 1915. I'm guessing that the Elephant House, Primate House and Reptile House were built between 1915 and the Bearpits, which were installed in 1921,22,23. Suppose you might try contacting the Zoo directly. Good hunting Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth" <nrhundley@sbcglobal.net> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 5:50 PM Subject: [Germans-STL] All the talk on iron moulders... St. Louis Zoo ??? > I would like to know if anyone knows of the company who was in charge of doing the IRON work at the St. Louis Zoo. > My grandfather and his brother were moulders and they worked on the iron parts of the Snake / Reptile House over there. > Grandpa then moved to Illinois and his brother ended up working for Bush Brewery. > Any ideas or suggestions welcome, > Ruth in ILL > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Kathlyn, You may already have this info: I found Vincent Wieland in the 1900 census in St. Louis along with his wife Elizabeth and their 5 children. By the 1910 census he no longer appears but Elizabeth is living with their daughter and son-in-law, Emily and Harry Timmer in St. Louis. Kathy At 09:04 PM 8/11/04 -0500, you wrote: >Ruth, >May I ask where your Grandpa moved in IL? I asked the original iron moulder >question. I'm still looking for more iron moulder input. Thank you. > >Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland in South St. Louis County >Goedeker, Wieland, Schott of Apple Creek, MO, Sykora, Schweninger, Tucci > >-----Original Message----- >From: Elizabeth Carpenter [mailto:bettycarp@sbcglobal.net] >Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 3:56 PM >To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] All the talk on iron moulders... St. Louis Zoo >??? > >Hi Ruth, >Where in IL are you? >Betty in St. Louis > >Ruth <nrhundley@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >I would like to know if anyone knows of the company who was in charge of >doing the IRON work at the St. Louis Zoo. >My grandfather and his brother were moulders and they worked on the iron >parts of the Snake / Reptile House over there. >Grandpa then moved to Illinois and his brother ended up working for Bush >Brewery. >Any ideas or suggestions welcome, >Ruth in ILL > > >==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from this list click on >mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list >mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >(digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list >related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from this list click on >mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list >mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >(digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list >related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > >==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== >RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A virus >that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb >mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., >go please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I would like to know if anyone knows of the company who was in charge of doing the IRON work at the St. Louis Zoo. My grandfather and his brother were moulders and they worked on the iron parts of the Snake / Reptile House over there. Grandpa then moved to Illinois and his brother ended up working for Bush Brewery. Any ideas or suggestions welcome, Ruth in ILL

Anyone out there researching the Windmoeller surname? (Also Wintmoeller, the "oe" should be o-umlaut...) I've just found out that an ancestress's sister and family immigrated on the same ship, arriving in New Orleans on the "Adler" on 11 Nov 1857. They were Caroline Wilhemline "Charlotte" ROWEKAMP (lots of variants on this) and Christian Friedrich WINDMOELLER, with children Wilhelm, Louise, Friedrich, and Carl, of Blasheim or Stockhausen, Westphalia. A probable nephew, Carl ROWEKAMP, age 19, was also on the ship. I haven't been able to track him or the WINDMOELLERs in the census yet, (probably haven't been sufficiently creative with my spelling) though I've been told there are living WINDMOELLER descendants. Thanks. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com

Clayton is the county seat. ----- Original Message ----- Thanks Bill Patty > What is the county seat for St. Louis County? > Patty

Thanks Betty Patty Clayton is the county seat of St. Louis County. Betty in St. Louis Co. Patty Johnson <johnson@wcesinc.com> wrote: What is the county seat for St. Louis County? Patty

Hi Ruth, Where in IL are you? Betty in St. Louis Ruth <nrhundley@sbcglobal.net> wrote: I would like to know if anyone knows of the company who was in charge of doing the IRON work at the St. Louis Zoo. My grandfather and his brother were moulders and they worked on the iron parts of the Snake / Reptile House over there. Grandpa then moved to Illinois and his brother ended up working for Bush Brewery. Any ideas or suggestions welcome, Ruth in ILL ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list click on mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (digest mode) � Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hello Kathy, Yes, that is my Vincent Wieland. He's in and out of St. Louis directories and then disappears from them in 1903. Elizabeth is listed as a midwife, and in 1919 she lists herself as widow of Vincent. From this info, I doubt there was a divorce, but I'm trying to find out where he went. He's not buried in St. Louis. Thank you for your help. Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland in South St. Louis County Goedeker, Wieland, Schott of Apple Creek, Schweninger, Sykora, Tucci, -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Schroer [mailto:kretired@netzero.net] Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 9:38 AM To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Germans-STL] Vincent Wieland Kathlyn, You may already have this info: I found Vincent Wieland in the 1900 census in St. Louis along with his wife Elizabeth and their 5 children. By the 1910 census he no longer appears but Elizabeth is living with their daughter and son-in-law, Emily and Harry Timmer in St. Louis. Kathy At 09:04 PM 8/11/04 -0500, you wrote: >Ruth, >May I ask where your Grandpa moved in IL? I asked the original iron moulder >question. I'm still looking for more iron moulder input. Thank you. > >Kathlyn Goedeker Wieland in South St. Louis County >Goedeker, Wieland, Schott of Apple Creek, MO, Sykora, Schweninger, Tucci > >-----Original Message----- >From: Elizabeth Carpenter [mailto:bettycarp@sbcglobal.net] >Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 3:56 PM >To: GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Germans-STL] All the talk on iron moulders... St. Louis Zoo >??? > >Hi Ruth, >Where in IL are you? >Betty in St. Louis > >Ruth <nrhundley@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >I would like to know if anyone knows of the company who was in charge of >doing the IRON work at the St. Louis Zoo. >My grandfather and his brother were moulders and they worked on the iron >parts of the Snake / Reptile House over there. >Grandpa then moved to Illinois and his brother ended up working for Bush >Brewery. >Any ideas or suggestions welcome, >Ruth in ILL > > >==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from this list click on >mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list >mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >(digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list >related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > >==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from this list click on >mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe (list >mode) or mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >(digest mode) - Contact mailto:GERMANS-STLOUIS-admin@rootsweb.com for list >related problems. For the GERMANS-STLOUIS-L archives, go to >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/germans-stlouis. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > >==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== >RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A virus >that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb >mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., >go please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== OLD-GERMAN-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in German from earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old German words, phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send subscribe to mailto:OLD-GERMAN-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or mailto:OLD-GERMAN-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Clayton is the county seat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patty Johnson" <johnson@wcesinc.com> To: <GERMANS-STLOUIS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:24 AM Subject: RE: [Germans-STL] Downtown Affton????? > > > What is the county seat for St. Louis County? > Patty > > > > St. Louis and St. Louis County. I didn't realize that Affton had a downtown > either. (Just kidding too!) > > > Bill <caibill@cox.net> wrote: > I see that Lorraine signs off with "beautiful downtown Affton, Mo." Where > is "downtown - Heege Road, Gravois, or Watson????? Just kidding! Didn't > know Affton had a downtown. > > Yes, Bill, Read some time ago that Lemp Beer is going (or maybe is now) to > be brewed again. Think it's a mini-brewery and will be served in the > Soulard area? > > Regards, > > Bill Streitz > Shalimar, FL > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A virus > that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb > mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., go > please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > LATIN-WORDS-L is a mailing list for anyone with a genealogical or historical > interest in deciphering and interpreting written documents in Latin from > earliest to most recent 20th Century times, and discussing old Latin words, > phrases, names, abbreviations and antique jargon. To subscribe, send > subscribe to mailto:LATIN-WORDS-L-request@rootsweb.com (Mail Mode) or > mailto:LATIN-WORDS-D-request@rootsweb.com (Digest Mode) > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A virus that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., go please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Betty and others, Yes I went to Parks, September 1951 through July 1954, even graduated, which was a total surprise to everyone especially the brothers at CBC where I went to high school. After CBC I hated school, wearing a uniform (CBC was a Military High School at the time I graduated as a private). My dad helped me make a decision he got me a job shoveling cement. After 3 months of that and the fear of being drafted. I did a heavy study about going to college, checked the Yellow Pages for colleges. Lo and behold Parks Air College. Since I liked airplanes (John Wayne fan of "Flying Tigers" fame), it was off to Parks where I thought this would be a shoe in, I immediately flunked the entrance tests. After begging my way into the school, on probation for 3 semesters, it was a 3 year school then where you had 3 semesters a year we went to school 11 months of the year and between the second and third year those of us who were in ROTC (Mandatory) went off to summer camp for a month. In the 35 months of being enrolled we had one month off for vacation. Finally graduated with a BS in Aeronautics in 1954 and then off to the Air Force, Viet Nam was fun, and retired after 20 years. Now have a master's degree. I actually think the Brothers of CBC put out a challenge to me or I did it out of spite. We had some strange rules. There was an 11 PM curfew, for all students even the 45 year old guy in my class, don't even try to sneak in the guard knew all the secret entry points, it was off to the Deans Office. Your report cards were sent to your parents, even the married guys, no exceptions. Parks College was a US Army Flight Training school during WW II. One of the pilots that dropped the Atomic Bomb on Japan was trained there. Oliver Parks donated the school to St. Louis University for a position on the Universities Board. It was shortly after his death that the university started their campaign to eliminate the school. They tried to sell off the school and get out of the technical fields of study, they had already eliminated the Institute of Technology. Today the remaining alumni of the Institute of Technology are included in the Parks Alumni association. I personally feel that the only reason the school exists is because of the heavy donations of the Aerospace companies like Boeing. Many of the old graduates were against the closing of Parks in Cahokia and still are. It was a great school. Although the excuse that it wasn't paying it's way is sort of slim. Back in the 50's it was the only school of the University that made money and none of it came back to the campus in Cahokia. Many of the labs and buildings were donated by McDonnell Aircraft. McDonnell even hired students as part time draftsmen and sent the work and a supervisor over on Friday evenings and Saturdays. We earned $1.25 and hour, but gained experience in the real world. The instructors knew all of us by our first names, heck our class room size was less than 30 students, Classes started a 8 A.M. and ended at 4 PM, every day. The only elective I had was typing, the rest were mandatory. We were the only undergraduate school of the University that required a Thesis. The instructors all wore suits. Tuition was $17 per credit hour which worked out to $357 a semester plus books, Room and Board was $17 a week. As to the local bar, it was Matt & Marges, great hamburgers and within stumbling distance. Other question Where was shanty town? When you drive south on I-55 you will see a gas tank farm just east of the highway, south of the Brewery towards the river. It was not a Hoverville. The shacks could be of any size, from something smaller than a one car garage on up. They larger ones would house a whole family or two or three or whatever would fit. It was not unusual to see a brand spankin new Cadillac sitting outside. When the guys went out at night they dressed like they owned a clothing store. I don't remember ever hearing of rumbles going on in the area. The residents did their own policing. Think I answered all the questions and then some. Why is it that all the schools I went to either shut down or move? I think my grade school is even closing. Bill Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Kay - Thank you for your kind update on Parks Air College. I'm saving your words for my history. It's about 3,000 pages so far. I left Missouri in 1972 for Virginia/Washington, D.C., moved to Southern California in 1974. Maureen

Bill - Your attendance at Parks predates my mother making pizzas at the bar in stumbling distance. We did not move to Cahokia from South St. Louis until 1959. She did pizzas there in the mid-60's. By that time the it was called the "Ranch" or the "Rancho". A little further down the road on the left was "Daisy"s" where some of the Parks guys went too, and across the road was "Ronnie's Tavern", also a bit of a hang out for Parks. I think Daisy's may have been Daisy's even in the 50's, but Ronnie's have y still been Patrick's Meat Market. When the elder Mr. Patrick decided to retire, his son Ronnie converted the property into a profitable tavern. Surprisingly, all of these places are currently still taverns, although under different names and ownership of course. I don't understand the "not paying for itself" angle either, considering what my son in law paid for his four years (and will still be repaying for a number more years). People came from all over the United States ---- actually from all over the world to attend Parks, which means they got to charge higher rates for out of state tuition. And the real shame is that the campus sits vacant year after tear, and yet SLU is still paying to maintain the grounds and buildings and to provide 24/7 security. Go figure!!! Kay kimbuc4@juno.com wrote: Betty and others, As to the local bar, it was Matt & Marges, great hamburgers and within stumbling distance. Bill Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ==== GERMANS-STLOUIS Mailing List ==== RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are removed. A virus that is distributed as an attachment will not reach you through a RootsWeb mailing list. For further information about Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc., go please to: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/virus.html. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!

Hi Bill, What an interesting story! I hope all that is in your life's story. I just happened to think about the song "In Old Shanty Town". Betty kimbuc4@juno.com wrote: Betty and others, Yes I went to Parks, September 1951 through July 1954, even graduated, which was a total surprise to everyone especially the brothers at CBC where I went to high school. After CBC I hated school, wearing a uniform (CBC was a Military High School at the time I graduated as a private). My dad helped me make a decision he got me a job shoveling cement. After 3 months of that and the fear of being drafted. I did a heavy study about going to college, checked the Yellow Pages for colleges. Lo and behold Parks Air College. Since I liked airplanes (John Wayne fan of "Flying Tigers" fame), it was off to Parks where I thought this would be a shoe in, I immediately flunked the entrance tests. After begging my way into the school, on probation for 3 semesters, it was a 3 year school then where you had 3 semesters a year we went to school 11 months of the year and between the second and third year those of us who were in ROTC (Mandatory) went off to summer camp for a month. In the 35 months of being enrolled we had one month off for vacation. Finally graduated with a BS in Aeronautics in 1954 and then off to the Air Force, Viet Nam was fun, and retired after 20 years. Now have a master's degree. I actually think the Brothers of CBC put out a challenge to me or I did it out of spite. We had some strange rules. There was an 11 PM curfew, for all students even the 45 year old guy in my class, don't even try to sneak in the guard knew all the secret entry points, it was off to the Deans Office. Your report cards were sent to your parents, even the married guys, no exceptions. Parks College was a US Army Flight Training school during WW II. One of the pilots that dropped the Atomic Bomb on Japan was trained there. Oliver Parks donated the school to St. Louis University for a position on the Universities Board. It was shortly after his death that the university started their campaign to eliminate the school. They tried to sell off the school and get out of the technical fields of study, they had already eliminated the Institute of Technology. Today the remaining alumni of the Institute of Technology are included in the Parks Alumni association. I personally feel that the only reason the school exists is because of the heavy donations of the Aerospace companies like Boeing. Many of the old graduates were against the closing of Parks in Cahokia and still are. It was a great school. Although the excuse that it wasn't paying it's way is sort of slim. Back in the 50's it was the only school of the University that made money and none of it came back to the campus in Cahokia. Many of the labs and buildings were donated by McDonnell Aircraft. McDonnell even hired students as part time draftsmen and sent the work and a supervisor over on Friday evenings and Saturdays. We earned $1.25 and hour, but gained experience in the real world. The instructors knew all of us by our first names, heck our class room size was less than 30 students, Classes started a 8 A.M. and ended at 4 PM, every day. The only elective I had was typing, the rest were mandatory. We were the only undergraduate school of the University that required a Thesis. The instructors all wore suits. Tuition was $17 per credit hour which worked out to $357 a semester plus books, Room and Board was $17 a week. As to the local bar, it was Matt & Marges, great hamburgers and within stumbling distance. Other question Where was shanty town? When you drive south on I-55 you will see a gas tank farm just east of the highway, south of the Brewery towards the river. It was not a Hoverville. The shacks could be of any size, from something smaller than a one car garage on up. They larger ones would house a whole family or two or three or whatever would fit. It was not unusual to see a brand spankin new Cadillac sitting outside. When the guys went out at night they dressed like they owned a clothing store. I don't remember ever hearing of rumbles going on in the area. The residents did their own policing. Think I answered all the questions and then some. Why is it that all the schools I went to either shut down or move? I think my grade school is even closing. Bill Surnames of Interest: BUCHHOLZ anywhere -BECKMANN-CASSIDY-DeL0NJAY-DREES-MOSBACHER-NENTWIG-NEUTZLER-PONCOT-RENSIN G-STAUDER-STIEFFERMANN ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! 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