>> Hello ILA, >> this query will do better on >> GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com >> as that is specifically for genealogy... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ila Johnson" <johnsonila@sbcglobal.net> To: <GERMAN-RUSSIAN-HERITAGE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [HERmitAGE] ROLL family, Wilhelmstal (Wasilevka) near the Black Sea > Dear Dennis > > I am sure you have checked the Pixel. It shows Adams birth 21 April 1964 > father Jakob Roll and mother Wilhelmine Riedlinger. Their marriage is > listed on the Grossliebental Parish Records, Marriage 8 September 1846 at > Grossliebental. A Matthais Roll also married 22 Sept 1847 at > Grossliebental to Elisabetha Maier. > > In Grossliebental there were no Rolls born or died in the 1830's but in > 1839 a Michael Roll married. All three are having children in > Grossliebental in 1840's and 1850's. There are no Rolls in Grossliebental > after 1850. They moved. > > Jakob and Matthais are listed next on the Rohrbach Parish Records having > children. Elisabetha, husband Matthais died 27 June 1868 at > Alexanderfeld. She was 59 years old born in Grossliebental maiden name > Maier. Jakob and Mattais/Matthais could be brothers. > > According to "The Emigaration from Germany to Russia in the years 1703 to > 1862," by Karl Stumpp, Part 1 on page 409 it lists: > > ROLL, Jakob, Michael, aus Moerlheim, Landau, Pfalz, 1803 went to > Grossliebental, Odessa. > > Believe above may be related to: > > ROLL, Georg Wendelin, Son died Michael born 29 Oct 1761; Frau Elisabeth > Grieser; son Philip Jakob born 2 Feb 1788; Georg Martin born 16 Sept 1789; > Georg Peter born 20 June 1701; Georg Jakob born 5 Nov 1792. > > also listed is: > ROLL, Barbara, aus Leimersheim, Germersheim, Pfalz, 1809 Nach Landau, > Odessa RL: 23; Ck; 47, 107 not related. > > ROLL, Elisabeth, Franz aus Jockgrim, Germersheim, Pfalz, 1809 Rastdt, > Odessa RL: 22 a. remarried after Roll to Sitter, Adam Had son Franz born > 1812; Elisabeth, Thersia and Georg Roll age 24 in 1816. > > ROLL, Elias, aus dem Reich, 1808, nach Bergdorf, Odessa; RL: 32; Pl. VI, > 117. > on RL: age 40 aus; Oberjettingen, Boeblingen, Wu, Frau Rosina 42, sein > Sohn Johann Georg 10. Not related. > > ROLL, Georg Martin, born 16 Sept 1789, sus Jockgrim, Germersheim, Pfalz, > 1809 nach Sulz, Odessa; RL 7; Frau Anna Maria Springel, born 1790 in > Waldburg, Weissenburg, El. Page 799 in Sulz RL, 7 Roll, Georg 23, aus: > Jockgrim, Germersheim, Pfalz, sein Mutter Elisabetha 51, seine Geschw. > Magdalena 20, Jakob 21, dessen Frau Katharina 29, dessen Steifkinder > (Stepchild) Kathaina Dogkendorf 18, Jakob died age 16, Margaretha died age > 13 (Kinder aus der erstern EHe des Manner der Katharina Roll) > RL 44 related: ROLL, Martin 26, aus: Jockgrim, Germersheim, Pfalz, sein > Frau Maria 24, seine Tochter Margaretha 2. Possiably related. > > Roll, Sophie born 2 Nov 1778 at Pirmasens, Pfalz, 1809 nach Sulz, Odessa > listed married to Leonhard KUEHLWEIN on 1816 Census. T.d. (T stands for > daughter, don't know what d. stands for other than died) Philipp Jakob > ROLL u. d. Anna Dreyer. > > Michael, Jakob and Matthias are all in Grossliebental, from 1839 on. There > are not ROLLS in Grossliebental in the 1870's or 1880's. > > Didn't find the surname ROLL listed on the Grossliebental Census listed in > the book. I don't have a copy of the 1858 Census records, put out by GHRS > but maybe someone does. > > So this means that Jakob, Adams father, was most likely the son of either > Jakob or Michael ROLL who were born at Morelheim, Landau, Pfalz. Michael > is married in 1839, which could be a second marriage though there is no > deaths listed on the 1830's death index. With Jacob and Matthais both > getting married in 1846 and 1847, would say they were born in the 1820's. > Would guess they are the sons of Jakob who must already be dead before > 1830's or could be Michael's if he was married before. Jakob and his > brother, like all of our families, moved and frequently. So far there are > records reflecting they lived in Grossliebental, Alexanderfeld, Neusatz > and they must of moved after 1860's because they are not listed in the > Rohrbach Parish Indexs after 1860's. > > Hope this helps you. In order to fully understand the ROLL's in Russia, I > would go through all of the different parishs and see what records exist > for the ROLL surname. That may help you put it all together. > > If you do find you are related to Jakob ROLL, there may be parish records > from Pfalz on microflim available to order in at a FHL close to you. I > have managed to trace several of my lines back now into the 1500's doing > this. I would also, if you haven't yet, order copies of the films for the > parish records listed on the Pixel relating to Jakob and Wilhelmine > Riedlinger and verify all the information for their children as well as > for his brother. The Pixel is a good place to start but as you know, many > times the information you need, is not on the index but on the original > parish record. If you don't read German yet, many Family History > Libraries have people who can help you. I taught myself to read it by > learning the alphabet and practicing writing the surnames and first names > of my ancestors. Still learning but getting better all the time. I have > pulled the parish records for all of my direct ancestors. > > There are several good books you can read that will help you more fully > understand the Germans from Russia. If you don't know what they are, I > can give you a list. > > Ila Johnson > > > Dennis Roll <rolldr@telus.net> wrote: > Looking for any information on ancestors of Adam Roll who came to America > in 1910. They lived at Wilhelmstal or Wasilevka (the village was > established in 1870) about 60 mi. NE of Odessa on the Black Sea. He came > with his wife Louise (Becker) Roll and children Adam Jr., John, Elizabeth, > Louise, George and Katherine. They came on the ship New Amsterdam I and > arrived at New York (Ellis Island) on May 2, 1910. They were in S. Dakota > for a short time, and eventually homesteaded at Irvine, Alberta, east of > Medicine Hat. Adam Sr. was born in 1864, possibly in Neusatz, Russia. His > parents may have been Jakob Roll and Wilhelmina Riedlinger. Adam's > passport shows his second name as "Yakovlev", or "son of Jacob." > > Any information on this family's ancestry, research suggestions, or > Wilhelmstal village info would be appreciated. Thanks.