Lyle, what we have thus far is the following: Descendants of Jakob] Friedrich Jr. Widmaier 1 Jakob] Friedrich Jr. Widmaier b: 1809 in Alexanderhilf, S.Russia .. +Kath. Barbara Uhl b: 1812 m: Bef. 1833 ......... 2 Friedrich ~Bischoff Widmaier b: 28 Mar 1834 in Neuburg***, S.Russia ............. +Wilhelmina Bischoff b: 26 Dec 1841 in Freudental m: 08 Feb 1862 in Freudental .................... 3 Fried. Widmaier b: 20 Apr 1863 in Sophiental .................... 3 Jakob+ Widmaier b: 1866 in Sophiental .................... 3 Joh. Widmaier b: 16 Apr 1870 in Sophiental .................... 3 Jakob Widmaier b: 17 May 1874 in Sophiental .................... 3 Christ. Widmaier b: 13 Feb 1876 in Sophiental .................... 3 Christ. Widmaier b: 19 Jan 1878 in Sophiental .................... 3 Elis. Widmaier b: 11 Apr 1881 in Sophiental .................... 3 Wilh. Widmaier b: 13 Jan 1883 in Sophiental The information is based on the StPete records; on census information for the GrossLiebental district and on careful comparisons of namesakes etc. ... *** The NEUBURG reference has surprised me; but that's what's there. Hope this helps... ;j. Jay W. Meeuwig Also on: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/RUS/GermanRussian.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Widmayer To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 4:36 PM Subject: Missing Records (Widmaiers' & etc) .............. I do know my great-great grandparents are a Friedrich Wiedmaier married to a Wilhelima Bischoff. That I have documented. So I believe that takes me back to the birth of 1834 and 1841. Now, who is the father of Friedrich? I am quite positive it is a Friedrich Jacob Widmaier, (notice name change spelling), but not 100% sure. On the other hand it could also be a Karl or a Christian. That is only my guess. .......... <SNIPPED> Lyle Widmayer