Hello list, Maybe if Rene gave us more specific information. The question is very general. What period of history are we talking about pre or post WW II. Does Rene have names of specific relatives etc. It's hard to help someone with just basic information on such a complex topic of research. Their are EWZ files too look at if they went to Germany or you could contact various Russian organizations which could help but they all would need more detailed information. The Red Cross did help me locate information on the fate of my grandfather (1937-1338) from the Ukrainian archives. Werner Toews ----- Original Message ----- From: "JM_on_GR_G" <JM_on_GR_genealogy@telus.net> To: "W.Toews" <W.Toews@shaw.ca>; <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <ENEA59@aol.com> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] locating living relatives from Russia > Given that AHSGR has a very strong focus > on the WOLGA-Deutschen > it might be a better idea to mention GRHS... > which also has its own website... www.grhs.org > and which has more of a focus on the areas Rene' mentioned. > > That said however, it is not very likely that Rene' > is gonna find any answer at either website or organisation... > > The dispersal throughout the Russian empire > of the ethnic Germans simply did not follow > the patterns Rene' is looking for or suggesting... > > > Based on direct information i have > abt the family lines i have researched, > i have to say that one can some it up by: > > "Some went < were sent > to the North... ; > some were sent < went > to the South..." > > "Some to the West of Siberia, some to the East of Siberia..." > > Then once the "Kommandantur" was lifted, > families also "shifted"... but not to their > "points of departure"... > > So have yer pick! > > The utterly amazing thing is that the > families thus scattered in the former USSR > were able to maintain some contact at all... > > There were of course well known "destinations"... > For instance < in German > Kazachen, Kirgiesen, etc. > > > IF some kind of "index" exists, i would expect > it to be with the International Red Cross... > > I don't think though that they are terribly interested > in generic genealogical queries... And that is how > it should be. > > > Another avenue might be to contact the associations that are active in > Germany, > < as many many folks have returned there as "Spaetaussiedler" < > "late-emigrants" > > and if Rene' has specific people she is looking for, THEY may be able to > help... > Some of the publications < in German > such as "Volk auf dem Weg" > have had pages and pages of "Suche" ads... > > > Jay. > > PS > My mentioning these various organisations > in no way should be construed > as an endorsement, nor as a criticism. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "W.Toews" <W.Toews@shaw.ca> > To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 7:52 PM > Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] locating living relatives from Russia > > >> Hello Rene, >> Have you tried the American Historical Society of >> Germans From Russia >> website. Here is the links page of the website with many links that >> might help you. >> >> http://www.ahsgr.org/links.htm >> >> Good Luck Werner Toews CANADA >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <ENEA59@aol.com> >> To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 12:12 PM >> Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] locating living relatives from Russia >> >> >>> Is there any information (indexes, etc.) that might help us to find out >>> where our ancestors went to after resettlement, relocation, deportation, >>> etc.? >>> What I am saying too is did particular villages tend to go to particular >>> countries or areas? >>> >>> Researching at the moment: ENGEL - Alt Freudental, Freudental- Black Sea >>> region >>> >>> Rene' >>> Thanks for all the answers on village location. >> >

I couldn't agree more! But then basically that 's what i wrote... She is interested in ENGELs ... i.e. the family name ENGEL The EWZ will only help Rene' if she is looking for folks who didn't stay in the Union of Soviet Republics ( i.e. "Russia" ... ) but who came out out the Soviet block to Germany... ;j. ----- Original Message ----- From: "W.Toews" <W.Toews@shaw.ca> To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] locating living relatives from Russia > Hello list, > Maybe if Rene gave us more specific information. The > question is very general. What period of history are we talking about pre > or post WW II. Does Rene have names of specific relatives etc. It's hard > to help someone with just basic information on such a complex topic of > research. Their are EWZ files too look at if they went to Germany or you > could contact various Russian organizations which could help but they all > would need more detailed information. The Red Cross did help me locate > information on the fate of my grandfather (1937-1338) from the Ukrainian > archives. > > Werner Toews > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JM_on_GR_G" <JM_on_GR_genealogy@telus.net> > To: "W.Toews" <W.Toews@shaw.ca>; <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <ENEA59@aol.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 9:00 AM > Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] locating living relatives from Russia > > >> Given that AHSGR has a very strong focus >> on the WOLGA-Deutschen >> it might be a better idea to mention GRHS... >> which also has its own website... www.grhs.org >> and which has more of a focus on the areas Rene' mentioned. >> >> That said however, it is not very likely that Rene' >> is gonna find any answer at either website or organisation... >> >> The dispersal throughout the Russian empire >> of the ethnic Germans simply did not follow >> the patterns Rene' is looking for or suggesting... >> >> >> Based on direct information i have >> abt the family lines i have researched, >> i have to say that one can some it up by: >> >> "Some went < were sent > to the North... ; >> some were sent < went > to the South..." >> >> "Some to the West of Siberia, some to the East of Siberia..." >> >> Then once the "Kommandantur" was lifted, >> families also "shifted"... but not to their >> "points of departure"... >> >> So have yer pick! >> >> The utterly amazing thing is that the >> families thus scattered in the former USSR >> were able to maintain some contact at all... >> >> There were of course well known "destinations"... >> For instance < in German > Kazachen, Kirgiesen, etc. >> >> >> IF some kind of "index" exists, i would expect >> it to be with the International Red Cross... >> >> I don't think though that they are terribly interested >> in generic genealogical queries... And that is how >> it should be. >> >> >> Another avenue might be to contact the associations that are active in >> Germany, >> < as many many folks have returned there as "Spaetaussiedler" < >> "late-emigrants" > >> and if Rene' has specific people she is looking for, THEY may be able to >> help... >> Some of the publications < in German > such as "Volk auf dem Weg" >> have had pages and pages of "Suche" ads... >> >> >> Jay. >> >> PS >> My mentioning these various organisations >> in no way should be construed >> as an endorsement, nor as a criticism. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "W.Toews" <W.Toews@shaw.ca> >> To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 7:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] locating living relatives from Russia >> >> >>> Hello Rene, >>> Have you tried the American Historical Society of >>> Germans From Russia >>> website. Here is the links page of the website with many links that >>> might help you. >>> >>> http://www.ahsgr.org/links.htm >>> >>> Good Luck Werner Toews CANADA >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <ENEA59@aol.com> >>> To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 12:12 PM >>> Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] locating living relatives from Russia >>> >>> >>>> Is there any information (indexes, etc.) that might help us to find out >>>> where our ancestors went to after resettlement, relocation, >>>> deportation, etc.? >>>> What I am saying too is did particular villages tend to go to >>>> particular >>>> countries or areas? >>>> >>>> Researching at the moment: ENGEL - Alt Freudental, Freudental- Black >>>> Sea >>>> region >>>> >>>> Rene' >>>> Thanks for all the answers on village location. >>> >> > > > > ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== > Information about your GermanRussian Mailing List is at > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/RUS/GermanRussian.html > >