Returning to the list after a couple of years. ... I've been having a lot of trouble with my ZINK clan -- in fact, I'm starting to think I'm the only person researching them. My great-great grandmother, Juliana ZINK, was born in 1852 in Josefstal. Only today (because AHSGR saw fit to hold its annual convention in the town where I live) did I finally link my great-great grandmother with the Catholic Josefstal ZINKs once I found in an early census of Josefstal. (they're the only Catholic ZINKs around, I believe). I believe her line goes like this: (1) 1 Georg ZINK, GGGG Grandfather*, Z520, M ------------ Birth Date: 1771 Birth Place: Muehlhausen, Weissenburg, France Spouse: Margaretha, GGGG Grandmother, F Birth Date: 1773 Birth Place: Muehlhausen, Weissenburg, France Death Date: 1814 Death Place: Josefstal, Ukraine, Ussr Marr Date: 1791 Marr Place: Muehlhausen, Weissenburg, France Children: Katharina, F (1792-) Johann, M (1797-) Michael, M (1800-1813) Joseph, M (~1803-1856) (2) 1.1 Katharina ZINK, GGGG Aunt, Z520, F ------------ Birth Date: 1792 Birth Place: Muehlhausen, Weissenburg, France (2) 1.2 Johann ZINK, GGGG Uncle, Z520, M ------------ Birth Date: 1797 Birth Place: Muehlhausen, Weissenburg, France Spouse: Eva Marie, F Birth Date: 1816 Children: Katharina, F Martha, F (~1837-) (3) 1.2.1 Katharina ZINK, 1C4R, Z520, F ------------ Spouse: Joseph ASCHENBRENER, A251, M Children: Joseph, M (~1857-) (4) 1.2.1.1 Joseph ASCHENBRENER, 2C3R, A251, M ------------ Birth Date: abt 1857 Birth Place: Josefstal, Grossliebental, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) (3) 1.2.2 Martha ZINK, 1C4R, Z520, F ------------ Birth Date: abt 1837 Birth Place: Josefstal, Grossliebental, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) Spouse: Joseph BERGER, B626, M Children: Joseph, M (~1854-) (4) 1.2.2.1 Joseph BERGER, 2C3R, B626, M ------------ Birth Date: abt 1854 Birth Place: Josefstal, Grossliebental, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) (2) 1.3 Michael ZINK, GGGG Uncle, Z520, M ------------ Birth Date: 1800 Birth Place: Muehlhausen, Weissenburg, France Death Date: 1813 Death Place: Josephstal, Ukraine, Ussr (2) 1.4 Joseph ZINK, GGG Grandfather, Z520, M ------------ Birth Date: abt 1803 Birth Place: Muehlhausen, Weissenburg, France Death Date: 1856 Death Place: Josefstal, Grossliebental, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) Spouse: Eva, GGG Grandmother, F Birth Date: 1822 Children: Katharina, F (~1845-) Elisabetha, F (~1848-) Julianna, F (1852-1929) Josephina, F (~1857-) (3) 1.4.1 Katharina ZINK, GGG Aunt, Z520, F ------------ Birth Date: abt 1845 Birth Place: Josefstal, Grossliebental, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) (3) 1.4.2 Elisabetha ZINK, GGG Aunt, Z520, F ------------ Birth Date: abt 1848 Birth Place: Josefstal, Grossliebental, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) (3) 1.4.3 Julianna ZINK, GG Grandmother, Z520, F ------------ Birth Date: Feb 1852 Birth Place: Josefstal, Grossliebental, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) Death Date: 1929 Death Place: Sacred Heart Parish, Konawa, Seminole, Oklahoma Spouse: Josef Franz/Frank IMMEL, GG Grandfather, I540, M (more info available) Birth Date: 28 Mar 1848 Birth Place: Landau, Beresan, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) Birth Memo: Cemetery record says he was born in 1844 Death Date: 1903 Death Place: Sacred Heart parish, Konawa, Seminole, Oklahoma Father: Christian IMMEL, GGG Grandfather, I540, M (1816-1871) Mother: Annamaria HECKEL, GGG Grandmother, H240, F (1820-1862) Children: Marianna (Mary Ann), F (1871-1941) (more info available) Georg, M (1874-) Anna, F (1878-) Franciscus, M (1880-) Margaretha "Maggie", F (1883-1967) (my great-grandmother -- more info available) Wendelina, F (1887-) (more info available) (3) 1.4.4 Josephina ZINK, GGG Aunt, Z520, F ------------ Birth Date: abt 1857 Birth Place: Josefstal, Grossliebental, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) * How they're related to me, being the self-centered person I am. __________ If you have any information about any of these people or want information, let me know. That includes the ASCHENBRENER and BERGER in-laws; I don't care. I like data. Thanks! Joann BETSCHART mailto:lunza@earthlink.net My German-Russian surnames: IMEL/IMMEL, HECKEL, RIEDINGER, HELBLING, WALTER, SCHLOSSER in Landau or Speier, Beresan; and ZINK in Josefstal, Grossliebental.