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    1. [GERmanRUSsian] ROLL CALL
    2. Katherine Kuckens
    3. Greetings, researchers. Looking for Klein, Bibelheimer, Hirning, Bischoff. Freudental, Peterstahl, Neuberg. also, not GR, Kuckens, Ulrich and Essig, of Bremen and Vegesack. GOD BLESS AMERICA Katherine Kuckens

    09/19/2001 02:11:13
    1. [GERmanRUSsian] A telling TAL / THAL tale; was ROLL CALL
    2. ÷j.
    3. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Kuckens" > Looking for Klein, Bibelheimer, Hirning, Bischoff. Freudental, Peterstahl, Neuberg. Hello Kat, just a few observations on the placenames U mentioned.. < i'm sharing this on the list; as searching for the right places can of course be very important to our research> The "tal" in Freudental and the "tahl"** in Peterstahl are both the same thing The latter, however, should be "thal" if U are gonna use the "h".. So the "modern spelling is: FREUDENTAL & PETERSTAL or the "old-fashioned" way is: FREUDENTHAL & PETERSTHAL (das) TAL or (das) THAL means (the) valley... Literally we have: JOYVALLEY or HAPPYVALLEY and PETERsVALLEY, more likely JOYVALE and PETERsVALE Now on to "Neuberg"; it should be NEUBURG! There is a different meaning to "Berg" and "Burg"*, namely: Berg="Mountain/Hill" and Burg="Town/City"* as well as "Castle" The word BURG become BURY in english < England> So NEUBURG would be NEWBURY < aka NEWTON > Not surprisingly there are quite a few "new towns" in Germany*** The word Town in turn relates to the <modern> german word ZAUN , which means "fence".. So think of a place with palisades... < pali = pole > Ah so much good stuff hidden in the etymology of words. ;)) Hope this helps! ;j. * The german word Buerger , which means citizen is related to this Burg=Town/City ** if/while searching for PETERSTAL or PETERSTHAL keep in mind that there are many entries in the StPete Index Files that are incorrectly written as Peterstahl *** i can provide a list if U/anyone are/is interested...

    09/19/2001 08:05:52