Ooops i ment to add that that was the birth record for JACOB WALTH... ;) who as on the Bremen manifest as Jacole ... age 39 in 1905, so born around 1866 or 1865... There is also a "Declaration of Intent". See: McPherson County SD Declarations of Intent (Neuhardt & Warns) Walth, Jacob born: 1851 in: Russia Arrival: via New York; Oct 1889 HOWEVER, that certainly appears to be for an older Jacob. Does anyone have any information on these WALTHs??? Any help will be appreciated! TIA, Jay ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 3:04 PM Subject: Re: The BREMEN sailing from Bremen in 1905: HAIDT & WALTH; errata and all > Walth Jacob 31 Dec 1866 Neu Glueckstal Christoph & > Magdalena Hieb 1884091/3 531 2 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JM_on_GR_G" <JM_on_GR_genealogy@telus.net> > To: "GerRus" <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 4:26 AM > Subject: The BREMEN sailing from Bremen in 1905: HAIDT & WALTH; errata and > all > > > > The transcription of the manifest for the above sailing has terrible > errors. > > ( EllisIsland.Org ) > > If anyone would like a copy of the original manifest page < in e-form > > pls > > let me know. Jay > > > > ## > > 05. Rub, Chathilde s/b Rub, Mathilde > > 11. Rub, Chathilde s/b Rub, Mathilde > > 12. Hielt, Gustan s/b Haidt, Gustav > > 13. Hielt, Charie s/b Haidt, Marie > > 14. Hielt, Gustan s/b Haidt, Gustav > > 15. Hielt, Friedrich s/b Haidt, Friedrich > > 16. Walth, Jacole s/b Walth, Jacob > > 19. Walth, Chagdalina s/b Walth, Magdalena > > > > See: > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Associated Passenger: Walth, Jacole > > Date of Arrival Port of Departure : November 14, 1905 Bremen- > > > > Line #16 Page # 0649 > > Manifest for Bremen > > Sailing from Bremen > > > > > > NameGenderAgeMarriedEthnicityPlace of Residence > > > > > > 0001. Rub, Wilhelm M39yMRussiaHoffnungs > > 0002. Rub, Christiana F33yMRussiaHoffnungs > > 0003. Rub, Johann M6ySRussiaHoffnungs > > 0004. Rub, Friedrich M4ySRussiaHoffnungs > > 0005. Rub, Chathilde F2ySRussiaHoffnungs > > 0006. Rub, Lidia F9mSRussiaHoffnungs > > 0007. Rub, Johann M41yMRussiaHoffnungs > > 0008. Rub, Rosine F39yMRussiaHoffnungs > > 0009. Rub, Rudolf M4ySRussiaHoffnungs > > 0010. Rub, Rosine F6ySRussiaHoffnungs > > 0011. Rub, Chathilde F2tSRussiaHoffnungs > > 0012. Hielt, Gustan M31yMRussiaHoffnungs > > 0013. Hielt, Charie F26yMRussiaHoffnungs > > 0014. Hielt, Gustan M4ySRussiaHoffnungs > > 0015. Hielt, Friedrich M2ySRussiaHoffnungs > > 0016. Walth, Jacole M39yMRussiaHoffnungs > > 0017. Walth, Katharina F35yMRussiaHoffnungs > > 0018. Walth, Elisabeth F10ySRussiaHoffnungs > > 0019. Walth, Chagdalina F7ySRussiaHoffnungs > > 0020. Walth, Rudolf M4ySRussiaHoffnungs > > 0021. Walth, Gottfried M3ySRussiaHoffnungs > > 0022. Walth, Johann M2ySRussiaHoffnungs > > > > Neu Glueckstal Birth Records (D. Wahl) . . . . . . . . . . . > Walth Catharina 20 Jan 1864 Neu Glueckstal Friedrich > 1884123/4 11 2 > Walth Catharina 8 Dec 1874 Neu Glueckstal Christoph and > Magdlena Hieb 1884120/1 635 23 > Walth Catharina 28 Dec 1876 Neu Glueckstal > 1895622/1 623 34 > Walth Christina 1 Jun 1884 Neu Glueckstal Johann & Christina > Scheuffele 1895616/3 168 13 > Walth Christina 3 Oct 1884 Neu Glueckstal Christoph & > Christina Wolf 1895616/3 170 25 > Walth Christoph 12 Dec 1860 Neu Glueckstal Christoph & > Magdalena Hieb 1884080/1 500 16 > Walth Christoph 6 Nov 1868 Neu Glueckstal Friedrich & > Magdalena Sauer 1884092/1 462 1 > Walth Friederika 15 Feb 1882 Neu Glueckstal Johann & Christina > Scheuffele 1895610/1 161 5 > Walth Georg 10 Jun 1869 Neu Glueckstal Friedrich & > Magdalena Sauer 1884110/3 477 11 > Walth Georg 3 Mar 1871 Neu Glueckstal Christoph & > Magdalena Hieb 1884125/2 549 5 > Walth Georg 21 Feb 1882 Neu Glueckstal Christoph & > Magdalena Hieb 1895610/1 161 7 > Walth Gottfried 2 Mar 1869 Neu Glueckstal Christoph & > Magdalena Hieb 1884110/3 476 6 > Walth Gottfried 15 Oct 1870 Neu Glueckstal Friedrich & > Magdalena Sauer 1884111/2 546 18 > Walth Jacob 31 Dec 1866 Neu Glueckstal Christoph & > Magdalena Hieb 1884091/3 531 2 > Walth Magdalena 17 Feb 1867 Neu Glueckstal Wilhelm > 1884091/3 531 3 > Walth Margaretha 6 Dec 1860 Neu Glueckstal Friedrich > 1884080/1 500 14 > Walth Philipp 26 Jul 1870 Neu Glueckstal Wilhelm > 1884111/2 545 9 > Winterroth Rosina 22 Apr 1885 Neu Glueckstal Wilhelm & Rosina > Walth 1897694/2 163 11 Hoffnungstal > File: 24,927 Neu Glueckstal Death Records (D. Wahl) . . . . . . . . . . . > Walth Catharina 18 Oct 1875 Neu Glueckstal Christoph & > Magdalena Hieb 1884064/1 618 5 10m 10d > Walth Christoph 17 Dec 1870 Neu Glueckstal Friedrich > 1884111/2 565 5 3y 1m 11d > Walth Friedirka 9 Feb 1881 Neu Glueckstal Christoph > 1895692/2 155 5 1y 3m 6d > Walth Friedrich 1 May 1870 Neu Glueckstal > 1884111/2 565 1 41y 4m 15d > Walth Georg 9 Oct 1875 Neu Glueckstal Christoph & > Magdalena Hieb 1884064/1 618 4 4y 7m 6d > Walth Katharina 12 Feb 1881 Neu Glueckstal Christoph > 1895692/2 155 6 4y 1m 14d > >

The transcription of the manifest for the above sailing has terrible errors. ( EllisIsland.Org ) If anyone would like a copy of the original manifest page < in e-form > pls let me know. Jay ## 05. Rub, Chathilde s/b Rub, Mathilde 11. Rub, Chathilde s/b Rub, Mathilde 12. Hielt, Gustan s/b Haidt, Gustav 13. Hielt, Charie s/b Haidt, Marie 14. Hielt, Gustan s/b Haidt, Gustav 15. Hielt, Friedrich s/b Haidt, Friedrich 16. Walth, Jacole s/b Walth, Jacob 19. Walth, Chagdalina s/b Walth, Magdalena See: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Associated Passenger: Walth, Jacole Date of Arrival Port of Departure : November 14, 1905 Bremen- Line #16 Page # 0649 Manifest for Bremen Sailing from Bremen NameGenderAgeMarriedEthnicityPlace of Residence 0001. Rub, Wilhelm M39yMRussiaHoffnungs 0002. Rub, Christiana F33yMRussiaHoffnungs 0003. Rub, Johann M6ySRussiaHoffnungs 0004. Rub, Friedrich M4ySRussiaHoffnungs 0005. Rub, Chathilde F2ySRussiaHoffnungs 0006. Rub, Lidia F9mSRussiaHoffnungs 0007. Rub, Johann M41yMRussiaHoffnungs 0008. Rub, Rosine F39yMRussiaHoffnungs 0009. Rub, Rudolf M4ySRussiaHoffnungs 0010. Rub, Rosine F6ySRussiaHoffnungs 0011. Rub, Chathilde F2tSRussiaHoffnungs 0012. Hielt, Gustan M31yMRussiaHoffnungs 0013. Hielt, Charie F26yMRussiaHoffnungs 0014. Hielt, Gustan M4ySRussiaHoffnungs 0015. Hielt, Friedrich M2ySRussiaHoffnungs 0016. Walth, Jacole M39yMRussiaHoffnungs 0017. Walth, Katharina F35yMRussiaHoffnungs 0018. Walth, Elisabeth F10ySRussiaHoffnungs 0019. Walth, Chagdalina F7ySRussiaHoffnungs 0020. Walth, Rudolf M4ySRussiaHoffnungs 0021. Walth, Gottfried M3ySRussiaHoffnungs 0022. Walth, Johann M2ySRussiaHoffnungs

Can anyone tell me anything abt the following families: on The Bremen ; November 14, 1905 0008. Oster, Christian M 26yM Russia Hoffinnigsthal 0009. Oster, Katharina F 24yM Russia Hoffinnigsthal 0010. Walth, Friedrich M 6yS Russia Hoffinnigsthal 0011. Walth, Christof M 6yS Russia Hoffinnigsthal Hoffinnigsthal s/b Hoffnungstal of course...

In Bessarabian Index files: CIEHMANN, Reinhold 1890 19 25 1768395-1 Alexanderfeld COMPARE: ZIEHMANN, Albert 1906 71 81 1768395-1 Alexanderfeld Alt Elft ZIEHMANN, Christlieb 21 27 1768395-1 Alexanderfeld ZIEHMANN, Johannes 1877 100 110 1768395-1 Alexanderfeld Alt Elft ZIEHMANN, Johannes 1894 29 35 1768395-1 Alexanderfeld Alt Elft ZIEMANN, Friedrich 1885 16 142 1766618-4 Neufall Neu Sarata ZIEMANN, Johannes 1856 7 133 1766618-4 Neufall Dennewitz ZIEMANN, Johannes 1883 17 143 1766618-4 Neufall Neu Sarata (Dennewitz) ZIEMANN, Otto 1906 34 160 1766618-4 Neufall Alt Elft (Strassburg)

Again in the Bessarabian Index files: BICHLMEYER, Jakob Friedrich 1863 330 172 1766530-2 Gnadental (Friedenstal) COMPARE: BIEHLMAIER, Traugott 1911 12 100 1768238-3 Mannsburg "Annowka-Manscha (Gnadental, Lichtental, Eigenfeld, Dennewitz)" BIHLMEYER, Georg Joseph 1892 34 163 1766529-2 Gnadental BIHLMEYER, Immanuel 1898 36 165 1766529-2 Gnadental (Sarata) BIHLMEYER, Traugott 1900 35 164 1766529-2 Gnadental

On the Bessarabian Index, Phase 3 *** we find: LAST, First born h# p# f# Film/It # Village Remarks HAMMEL?, Samuel 1887 19 397 1767905-4 Kloestitz That is HUMMEL, Samuel COMPARE: For the query, Hummel w/3 Samuel, of category St. Petersburg File: Bessarabian Village Birth Records, 187x Hummel, Samuel 27 Nov 1878 Kloestitz parents: Gottlieb H & Nitschke, Dorothea 1895624/1 401 128 Family Registry P. 129*** See http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/bess/bessind/link/bipart3.txt

On the Bessarabian Index, Phase 2, Part 1 *** we find: LAST First born h# p# f# Film # It Village Remarks HUMMAN Andreas 1793 59 10 343 1767907 4 Kloestitz HUMMEL Andreas 1793 59 123 491 1767907 5 Kloestitz HUMMEL Andreas 1793 58 129 375 1766558 2 Kloestitz HUMMEL Christian 1876 58 135 140 1766560 1 Kloestitz HUMMEL Gottlieb 1838 58 135 140 1766560 1 Kloestitz (Beresina) HUMMEL Gottlieb 1838 59 123 491 1767907 5 Kloestitz HUMMEL Gottlieb 1838 58 129 375 1766558 2 Kloestitz HUMMEL Gottlieb 1869 58 136 141 1766560 1 Kloestitz It strikes me that HUMMAN should be HUMMEL ... There were no HUMMANs in Klöstitz not even any HUMANNs Anyone searching for a particular family name would do well to scrutinze the ENTIRE file(s), rather than just doing a search for the desired family name.. One never knows WHAT one finds... More on the way, Jay Meeuwig *** See: http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/bess/bessind/link/bipart1.txt

Greeley Tribune Greeley, Colorado 03-31-04 Dorothy A. Heberline, 80, of Greeley died Sunday, March 28, at Life Care Center of Greeley. She was born Sept. 10, 1923, in Ault to George John and Marie Ann (Brehm) Burback. On Jan. 23, 1949, she married Art Heberline in Greeley. He is deceased. Mrs. Heberline graduated in 1941 from Ault High School. She then served in the Navy from 1942-44 as a reservist until 1947. She worked as a cook at the University of Northern Colorado for -20 years and retired as head cook. Mrs. Heberline enjoyed the outdoors, hunting, fishing, camping and traveling. She was cheerful and had a great sense of humor. She is survived by many nieces and nephews. Her parents, two brothers, Donald and Ruban Burback, are deceased, and an infant brother died at birth. Graveside services will be at 11 a.m. Friday in Linn Grove Cemetery, Greeley. -Friends may visit from 6-8 p.m. Thursday and 9-10 a.m. Friday at Stoddard Funeral Home, Greeley. An online memorial is at www.mem.com.

Jay, the parents of Ruth are David Hildenbrand and Mary Anna Dietrich. Here is Ruth's obit: Obit from "Lodi News-Sentinel" Lodi, California (Jan. 1984) Ruth Mauch Ruth H. Mauch, 69, of Lodi died in a local hospital on Friday evening following a lengthy illness. Born and raised in Manfred, North Dakota, she came to Lodi in 1937 and married Alvin C. Mauch in Lodi that same year. She was a member of the First Baptist Church of Lodi and active in Ladies Missionary Fellowship in the church. She is survived by her husband, Alvin C. Mauch of Lodi; one son, Charles Mauch of Lodi; two daughters, Marlene Kooyman and Kathy Mettler both of Lodi; her mother Mary Hildenbrand of Lodi; two brothers, Reuben Hildenbrand of Lodi and Earl Hildenbrand of Oxnard; and five grandchildren. Funeral services will be held on Wednesday at 1 p.m. in the Lodi Funeral Home Chapel with the Revs. Walter Dingfield and G.G. Rauser officiating. Burial will follow in the Cherokee Memorial Park. Memorial contributions may be made in her name to the Ladies Missionary Fellowship in care of First Baptist Church, 19 S. Central Ave. Her father David Hildenbrand is the son of Jacob Hildenbrand and Elisabeth Miller and grandson of Johannes Jacob Hildenbrand and Johanna Reule. Kathy Some time ago Yvonne McCarty published an obit that mentions MAUCH & HILDENBRAND Lodi News Sentinel June 19, 2002 Lodi, CA On Monday, June 17, 2002 Alvin C. Mauch passed away in Lodi after a short illness at a local hospital. Alvin was born March 31, 1911 in Goodrich, ND. He worked for Stokley-Van Camp as a cook room foreman from 1937 until his retirement in 1972. He came to Lodi in 1935 where he met his beloved wife, Ruth Hildenbrand. Does anyone have any information on that connection? I would like to find the parents of RUTH...

Judy, U might want to check out: "" ... October 28, with Walter Rivinius as the speaker on his CCC and WW II Army experiances {sic} at 7:30 p.m. and the Chapter Christmas Party at the Royal Fork Restaurant on December 9 at 7:00 p.m. ... "" per www.grhs.com/redriver/ I had no idea what CCC was ... but it turns out to be the (Civilian Conservation Corp) Also i think Walt served in the Pacific... But he may be able to help out by providing additional info on Rivinius folks who were in the armed forces... Suggesting that a major Rivinius might be in "YOUR" tree may be like hoping for a lottery-win to happen.... There were & are quite a few Riviniuses... Including the ones who stayed or still are in Germany... Not all of 'em are "one tribe"... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Holter" <lholter@intergate.com> To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 10:48 AM Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] OT Military Records > Maybe someone can give me some direction on this. While some of the > Rivinius clan went to Russia then to US, some also came directly to the > US. Der Spiegel, Vol 11 No 1, January 2, 1957, p 14, written in Germany > mentions "an American major by the name of Rivinius served as commander > in Schongau in 1945." > > I sure would like to be able to track down which of the people in my > tree is this major. Thanks for your ideas. > Judy > > > > > > > > ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are NOT allowed. > >

Some time ago Yvonne McCarty published an obit that mentions MAUCH & HILDENBRAND Does anyone have any information on that connection? I would like to find the parents of RUTH... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:48:00 -0700 From: Yvonne McCarty <ymccarty@inreach.com> Subject: OBIT: ALVIN MAUCH Lodi News Sentinel June 19, 2002 Lodi, CA On Monday, June 17, 2002 Alvin C. Mauch passed away in Lodi after a short illness at a local hospital. Alvin was born March 31, 1911 in Goodrich, ND. He worked for Stokley-Van Camp as a cook room foreman from 1937 until his retirement in 1972. He came to Lodi in 1935 where he met his beloved wife, Ruth Hildenbrand. They were married on October 30, 1937 in Lodi. They were married 46 years until Ruth's passing in 1984. His mother and father, Gottlieb and Christine Mauch and daughter, Marlene Kooyman preceded him in death. He was a member of the First Baptist Church where he was an usher for many years. Alvin resided in the Arbor Senior Apartments for the past 13 years. His very special friend, neighbor and companion for the past 10 years was Nellie Brown. He is survived by his son. Charles Mauch of Durham, CA; daughter-in-law, Kelly Mauch; daughter, Kathleen Mettler of Lodi; grandchildren Mike Kooyman and wife Gina of Acampo, Stacy Oliver and husband Mike of Wilton, and Scott Mettler and wife Patti of Fresno, Chris Mauch and Courtney Mauch of Sacramento, and Adam Mettler of Lodi; great-grand-children Ashlie, Alicia, Kaitlyn and Matthew Oliver, Jamison and Joshua Mettler, Bradi and Jori Kooyman, and Dannielle and K. C. Hargrove. There will be a graveside service on Friday, June 21, 2002 at 10:00 am at Cherokee Memorial Park, Hwy 99 and Harney Lane.

Loveland FYI Loveland, Colorado 03-28-04 Dorothy M. Kehn, 78, died at Poudre Valley Hospital in Fort Collins on Sunday, March 21, 2004. A funeral service will be held 1 p.m. Thursday, March 25, 2004, at Allnutt Funeral Service, 650 W. Drake Road, Fort Collins. The Rev. Peg MacGowan will officiate. Visitation will be 3-8 p.m. today, Wednesday, March 24, 2004, at the Drake Road Chapel. Burial will be in Resthaven Memory Gardens north of Loveland. Dorothy was born on May 24, 1925, near Pilger, Neb. She was the youngest of four children born to Pete and Linda Steinmark. Dorothy attended Pilger Country School through the eighth grade. After moving to Fort Collins, she finished high school, graduating from Fort Collins High School in 1943. After graduating, she and her mother moved to Flint, Mich., and she worked in the main office of General Motors Chevrolet in Flint. Upon visiting her sister in Butte, Neb., she met Don Kehn, and they were married on Dec. 3, 1949, in Flint. They made their home in Butte until 1964, when they moved to Loveland. In 1969, they moved to Fort Collins, and in 1977 moved to their farm south of Timnath. Dorothy was a homemaker and partner in Don Kehn Construction. Dorothy was a member of the Order of the Eastern Star. She loved taking care of her home and dogs. Dorothy had two sons, Douglas, born in 1951, and Dan, born in 1953. She is survived by her husband and her son Dan and wife Judy; several nieces and one nephew. She was preceded in death by her parents, sisters, brother and son Douglas. Memorial contributions may be made to the Larimer Humane Society in care of Allnutt Funeral Service, 650 W. Drake Road, Fort Collins 80526. Please view online obituary and sign family guest book at www.allnutt.com.

Maybe someone can give me some direction on this. While some of the Rivinius clan went to Russia then to US, some also came directly to the US. Der Spiegel, Vol 11 No 1, January 2, 1957, p 14, written in Germany mentions "an American major by the name of Rivinius served as commander in Schongau in 1945." I sure would like to be able to track down which of the people in my tree is this major. Thanks for your ideas. Judy > >

Nelson, U might want to start with "HELP" on the main page... which takes U to http://www.sggee.org/Help Using links like Parish Records and Surname Database Links will show U that most of the data that actually exists is [also] on the Odessa Digital Library... Those are directly available at http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/stpete/volhynia/ with the search engine being at http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/search.html It is perhaps worthwhile mentioning that Roger Ehrich and company have improved to search engine and that it is possible to search for more than just [by] name... And just to pre-empt more questions; that information is found at HELP with Odessa queries, per : http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/queryhelp.html THIS will allow U to search for a particular village... < on any data in the Odessa Digital Library... > For instance, use just "Shitomir" and U will get all data for Shitomir... Etc. etc. ... Use "Ittermann w/5 Shitomir" and U will see Ittermann data for the Shitomir location... I will send the information under separate cover < since no doubt not everyone here is interested in tha page of "Ittermann w/5 Shitomir" results...... ;) > Hope this helps, Jay Meeuwig ----- Original Message ----- From: Nelson To: GR-GENEALOGY@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [GR-GENEALOGY] Vohlynia Villages How do you do a village search on the SGGEE Website? How would the village name be identified? Nelson ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Frank To: GR-GENEALOGY@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [GR-GENEALOGY] Vohlynia Villages For more help with research in this area, go to http://www.sggee.org where you can search the Lutheran records for the area. 99% of the people in this area were Lutheran. There were Mennonites in Volhynia but generally further south and east. There were also scattered settlements of Baptists and Moravian Brethern but they too were concentrated further east. Most of your people, at least in that time frame and location, would have been Lutheran. At 11:05 AM 01/02/2004 -0800, Kathee wrote: In researching the Kluge surname, I found some clues that I need help pursuing. August Kluge m. Amalie Weiss in Rozyszcze on 13 Jan. 1881. A Julius Kluge was born 18 Feb. 1883 in Swiczow and died 4 Apr. 1883 in Swaroff. I would really like to know more about these villages, and the records for them. I currently have 3 surnames (4 if I ever pursue Weiss) that might have been Mennonite, Lutheran, or some other protestant religion. Thanks in advance, Kathee (researching Spenst, Pommer, Kluge, and a multitude of others) *Please Note NEW Email Address* Jerry Frank - Calgary, Alberta FranklySpeaking@shaw.ca

Search of St. Petersburg Archive Extractions ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- For the query, Ittermann w/5 Shitomir, of category St. Petersburg File: 42,333 Volhynian Birth Records, 184x (M. Momose). . . . . . . . . . Ittermann, Friedrich 21 Feb 1842 Shitomir Michael Domki, Caroline 1882594/2 181 23 Krenz, Eva 22 Sep 1847 Shitomir Andreas Mariane Ittermann? 1882638/2 215 38 extra info provided File: 13,097 Volhynian Marriages Records, 184x (M. Momose). . . . . . . . Ittermann?, Christian 15 Dec 1847 Shitomir Luise Berwoldt 1882638/2 224 16 File: 816,452 Volhynian Births, 186x (M. Momose) . . . . . . . . . . . . . Apelt, Paul 21 May 1867 Shitomir Michael Ittermann, Rosine 1884090/2 511 147 Gall, Eleonore 11 Jun 1864 Shitomir Johann Ittermann, Luise 1884123/1 9 59 Ittermann, Christian 22 Mar 1867 Shitomir Gottlieb Euphrosine 1884092/2 138 619 Ittermann, Christine 11 Jun 1867 Shitomir Johann Lenz, Julianna 1884090/2 518 285 correct mother? Ittermann, Daniel 26 May 1864 Shitomir Christian Berwoldt, Luise 1884123/1 15 108 Ittermann, Emilie 5 Jan 1867 Shitomir Michael Ittermann, Katharina 1884092/2 113 141 Ittermann, Gottlieb 20 Dec 1863 Shitomir Karl Neubauer, Rosina 1884092/2 115 173 Ittermann, Helene 4 Jul 1864 Shitomir Peter Kropp, Eva 1884123/1 15 107 Ittermann, Louise 19 Oct 1867 Shitomir Karl Neubauer, Rosina 1884092/2 115 175 Ittermann, Robert 27 Aug 1865 Shitomir Karl Neubauer, Rosina 1884092/2 115 174 Ittermann, Susanna 25 Aug 1866 Shitomir Peter Kropp, Eva 1884090/2 509 142 File: 181,409 Volhynian Deaths, 186x (M. Momose) . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ittermann, Martin 20 May 1866 Shitomir Christian 1884089/1 657 128 Age: 14. Birthplace: Wulke File: 1,410,075 Volhynian Births, 1870-75 (M. Momose). . . . . . . . . . . . Daus Dase, Herrmann 31 Jan 1875 Shitomir Dauss, Martin Ittermann, Elise 1884065/2 441 64 File: 216,057 Volhynian Marriages, 1870-75 (M. Momose) . . . . . . . . . . Glanz, Jacob 27 Oct 1874 Shitomir Ittermann, Wilhelmine 1884118/3 560 145 Ittermann, Christian 12 Jan 1875 Shitomir Schulz, Marianna 1884065/2 467 Ittermann, Peter 5 Feb 1871 Shitomir Henkel, Karoline 1884128/1 608 8 Schmidtke, Jacob 10 Nov 1873 Shitomir Ittermann, Karoline 1895621/1 345 141 File: 243,707 Volhynian Marriages, 1876-79 (M. Momose) . . . . . . . . . . Ittermann, Wilhelm 22 Jul 1879 Shitomir Tomm, Emilie 1895627/2 614 191 File: 535,267 Volhynian Marriages, 1880-85 (M. Momose) . . . . . . . . . . Ittermann, Ludwig 19 Oct 1881 Shitomir Schlag, Karoline 1897593/3 244 287 CPU Time: 0.500

Whereas I tried to narrow down the search for passengers by NAME and ethnic origin, on the www.ellisisland.org database, i found to my surprise that a lot of folks originating from Hungary were included under variations of SACKELHAUSEN .... The list below shows an endless number of variants Szakalhaza, Szakal Haza, Szakathaza, Szokalkaza, Szottallioza, Srakalhara, Szakahuza, Szekelhaza, Seakathasa, etc. etc. ... even Laskathaza, Lzakalhaza, ... which is akin to transcribing SAUTER as LAUTER... which we have seen elsewhere... Name of PassengerResidenceArrivedAge on Arrival 1.Adam Hummel Szakalhaza, Hungary 1912 25 2.Amalia Hummel 1894 2 3.Anamaria Hummel 1904 20 4.Andreas Hummel Dolacz, Hungary 1907 36 5.Anna Hummel Chicago, Ill. 1909 23 6.Anna Hummel Otoeny, Hungary 1914 2 7.Anna Hummel Otoeny, Hungary 1914 23 8.Anna Hummel St Louis, USA 1909 27 9.Anna Hummel Szakal Haza, Hungary 1907 25 10.Anna Hummel Szakalhaza 1904 18 11.Anna Hummel Szakathaza, Hungary 1907 36 12.Anna Hummel Szokalkaza, Hungary 1909 38 13.Anna Hummel Szottallioza 1905 18 14.Anna Hummel U. S. 1909 22 15.Anton Hummel Col Kandel, Russia 1906 16 16.Anton Hummel Moers, Germany 1910 35 17.August Hummel Stuttgart, Germany 1921 35 18.Barbara Hummel Kondel, Russia 1907 0 19.Barbara Hummel Srakalhara, Hungary 1910 16 20.Barbara Hummel St Luis Mo. U. S. A. 1913 28 21.Barbara Hummel Sz. Haza 1904 6 22.Barbara Hummel Sz. Haza 1904 33 23.Barbara Hummel Szakahuza, Hungary 1913 13 24.Barbara Hummel Szakalhaza, Hungary 1907 14 25.Barbara Hummel Szakalhaza, Hungary 1910 23 Name of PassengerResidenceArrivedAge on Arrival 26.Barbara Hummel Szakathaza, Hungary 1907 14 27.Barbara Hummel Ujbessennsjy 1906 28 28.Bernhard Hummel Kandel 1901 27 29.Borbala Hummel Szakal Haza, Hungary 1907 0 30.Borbala Hummel Szakalhaza 1906 9 31.Borbala Hummel Szekelhaza, Hungary 1913 26 32.Borhala Hummel St Luis Mo. U. S. A. 1913 2 33.Carolna Hummel 1894 9 34.Cata Hummel Hungary, Szapalhaza 1909 23 35.Catharina Hummel Kondel, Russia 1907 25 36.Christina Hummel Klostitz 1902 3 37.David Hummel Klostitz 1902 8 38.Dorothea Hummel 1894 36 39.Elisabeth Hummel ..., Hungary 1909 0 40.Elisabeth Hummel Zubadfalu, Hungary 1907 22 41.Elise Hummel Szokalkaza, Hungary 1909 13 42.Else Hummel Stuttgart, Germany 1921 35 43.Emilia Hummel Neuburg 1900 2 44.Emilie Hummel 1892 8 45.Erzsebet Hummel Szakalhaza 1906 9 46.Erzsebet Hummel Ujvas 1906 19 47.Eva Hummel Dolacz, Hungary 1907 32 48.Eva Hummel Seakathasa 1905 14 49.Eva Hummel Szakalhaza, Hungary 1912 18 50.Ferencz Hummel Ufoar 1903 32 Name of PassengerResidenceArrivedAge on Arrival 51.Franz Hummel Kondel, Russia 1907 2 52.Friedrich Hummel Szakahuza, Hungary 1913 9 53.Friedrich Hummel 1894 0 54.Frigyes Hummel Seakathasa 1905 16 55.Frigyes Hummel Szakalhaza 1906 25 56.Georg Hummel Dolacz, Hungary 1907 15 57.Gertrud Hummel Szabarfalm, Hungary 1910 24 58.Gertrude Hummel Szabadfalva 1907 20 59.Gottlieb Hummel Klostitz 1902 10 60.Gottlieb Hummel Klostitz 1902 33 61.Helena Hummel Goldingen 1902 26 62.Itzig Hummel 1892 7 63.Jacob Hummel Szakahuza, Hungary 1913 6 64.Jacob Hummel Szakathaza, Hungary 1907 7 65.Jacob Hummel Szokalhaza, Hungary 1909 25 66.Jakab Hummel Szakal Haza, Hungary 1907 28 67.Jakob Hummel Klostitz 1902 19 68.Jakob Hummel Szakalhaza 1905 26 69.Jakob Hummel Szakalhaza, Hungary 1907 28 70.Jakob Hummel Szekelhaza, Hungary 1913 4 71.Janos Hummel Hungary, Metvin 1909 40 72.Janos Hummel Otoeny, Hungary 1914 3 73.Janos Hummel Otoeny, Hungary 1914 29 74.Janos Hummel Szabadfalu 1907 24 75.Janos Hummel Szabarfalm, Hungary 1910 1 Name of PassengerResidenceArrivedAge on Arrival 76.Janos Hummel V.szl Mihaly 1905 19 77.Jenny Hummel 1892 11 78.Jenny Hummel 1892 19 79.Johan Hummel Sz. Haza 1904 10 80.Johan Hummel Szakalhaza 1905 17 81.Johann Hummel Kondel, Russia 1907 30 82.Johann Hummel Kupanp, Austria 1910 31 83.Johann Hummel Neuburg 1900 5 84.Johann Hummel Szakahuza, Hungary 1913 12 85.Johann Hummel Szakalhaza 1904 37 86.Johann Hummel U.S. 1909 24 87.Johann Hummel 1894 13 88.Johann Hummel 1894 42 89.Johannes Hummel Klostitz 1902 6 90.Josef Hummel Tircz, Hungary 1914 32 91.Josef Hummel Ujbessennsjy 1906 3 92.Josef Hummel Werschetz, Hungary 1907 40 93.Josefa Hummel Hungary, Metvin 1909 16 94.Josefa Hummel Utoin, Hungary 1908 16 95.Joseph Hummel Dernbirn 1904 22 96.Jozsef Hummel Szakalhaza, Hungary 1907 30 97.Jozsef Hummel UJ Bessenyo 1905 26 98.Jozsi Hummel Hungary, Metvin 1909 2 99.Karl Hummel Neuburg 1900 7 100.Karolina Hummel Klostitz 1902 32 Name of PassengerResidenceArrivedAge on Arrival 101.Karolina Hummel Neuburg 1900 9 102.Katalin Hummel N. Szt. Mihaly 1905 16 103.Katalin Hummel Szekelhaza, Hungary 1913 3 104.Katalin Hummel Utoin, Hungary 1908 17 105.Katha. Hummel Neuburg 1900 31 106.Katharina Hummel Ujbessennsjy 1906 0 107.Katharina Hummel 1894 15 108.Katharine Hummel Hungary, Metvin 1909 43 109.Kati Hummel Lzakalhaza, Hungary 1909 16 110.Keresztely Hummel N. Szt. Mihaly, Hungary 1907 19 111.Liebe Hummel 1892 6 112.Lipot Hummel Ujvas 1906 24 113.Lorencz Hummel Szakathaza, Hungary 1907 41 114.Louisa Hummel Kondel, Russia 1907 60 115.Lugarda Hummel Col Kandel, Russia 1906 21 116.Margaretha Hummel Szakalhalza 1904 20 117.Margarethe Hummel Szakahuza, Hungary 1913 35 118.Margit Hummel ..., Hungary 1909 16 119.Margit Hummel Obad, Hungary 1907 22 120.Margit Hummel Szakalhaza, Hungary 1908 14 121.Maria Hummel Klostitz 1902 12 122.Maria Hummel Syezkeza, Hungary 1913 26 123.Martin Hummel ... 1905 36 124.Mathews Hummel Szakahuza, Hungary 1913 2 125.Mathilda Hummel 1894 4 Name of PassengerResidenceArrivedAge on Arrival 126.Matias Hummel Sz. Haza 1904 8 127.Matyas Hummel Szakalhaza 1907 21 128.Max Hummel Winkau 1904 19 129.Michael Hummel Kandel 1901 35 130.Michael Hummel Laskathaza, Hungary 1909 17 131.Miklos Hummel Hungary, Metvin 1909 13 132.Miklos Hummel Lzakalhaza 1905 41 133.Miklos Hummel Rezsohaza, Hungary 1913 49 134.Miklos Hummel Ris, Hungary 1906 28 135.Miklos Hummel Szakalhaza 1906 37 136.Miklos Hummel Zakalhaza, Hungary 1913 16 137.Miklos Hummel Zubadfalu, Hungary 1907 3 138.Miklosne Susanna Hummel Szakalhaza 1906 26 139.Nicolaus Hummel Kondel, Russia 1907 60 140.Nicolaus Hummel Szakahuza, Hungary 1913 3 141.Nicolaus Hummel Szakathaza, Hungary 1907 16 142.Niklos Hummel ... 1906 17 143.Nikolaus Hummel Sz. Haza 1904 3 144.Nikolaus Hummel Szakalhaza, Hungary 1910 18 145.Peter Hummel Lzakalhaza 1905 23 146.Peter Hummel Neuburg 1900 34 147.Peter Hummel St Luis Mo. U. S. A. 1913 4 148.Peter Hummel Szakalhaza 1905 36 149.Peter Hummel Szakalhaza, Hungary 1910 29 150.Peter Hummel Szakathaza, Hungary 1907 Name of PassengerResidenceArrivedAge on Arrival 151.Peter Hummel Zubadfalu, Hungary 1907 0 152.Philippina Hummel Kandel 1901 1 153.Regina Hummel Neuburg 1900 3 154.Regina Hummel 1901 31 155.Reinhold Hummel Klostitz 1902 0 156.Salomon Hummel Janow 1902 36 157.Sara Hummel 1892 42 158.Sebestyen Hummel Pardany 1906 32 159.Simon Hummel Copenhagen, Denmark 1922 39 160.Susanna Hummel Breznobanye 1900 45 161.Susanna Hummel Szakalhaza, Hungary 1911 16 162.Terez Hummel ...ttolva 1904 17 163.Theresia Hummel Kandel 1901 6 164.Tonos Hummel Lzakalhaza 1904 23 165.Wi... Hummel Szakalhaza, Austria 1910 17 166.Wilhelm Hummel Neuburg 1900 11 167.Yanos or Janos Hummel Obad 1907 25 168.hENRIK hUMMEL Rezsohaza, Hungary 1913 14

The obits from Der Staats Anzeiger 1932-1935 shows: Ottmar, Jakob - age 50 yrs, died 12 Sept 1934, sp - no name -surv. I have him placed < along with siblings?> per: Grossliebental Birth Records Ottmar, Katharine 13 Jan 1881 Neuburg f: Wilhelm Ottmar 1897592/2 97 3 Ottmar, Johann 21 Jul 1882 Neuburg f: Wilhelm Ottmar 1895610/1 97 18 Ottmar, Jakob 13 Jul 1884 Neuburg f: Wilhelm Ottmar 1895616/3 108 20Does anyone know if Jakob *1884 ever married? If so , to whom?Was his wife nee Bauer?TIAJay

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Ooops! I was looking in the wrong Kirchspiel! Of course Willy went to get wed in Freudental, where Magda was from! Freudental Marriage Records, 188x Ottmar, Wilhelm & Sieler, Magdalena 30 May 1882 Neu Freudental 1895610-1 724 27 Grossliebental Birth Records, 185xOttmar, Wilhelm 9 Mar 1856 Grossliebental s. of: Johann Ottmar 1884100/2 123 52 Freudental Birth Records, 186x Sieler, Magdalena *21 Aug 1860 Helenental d. of: Adam/Margaretha Pfaff 1884079/5 129 194 PBN:178 ----- Original Message ----- From: "JM_on_GR_G" <JM_on_GR_genealogy@telus.net> To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] OTTMARs ... > Thanx Don! That would be Wilh. son of Johan! > > I assume that he is the one who married in 1855...; as per: > Grossliebental Marriage Records, 185x > Ottmar, Johann & Frey, Friedricka 19 Apr 1855 Grossliebental > 1884075/1 220 15 > Do U have a marriage date for William Ottmar and Magdalena Sieler ??? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Hochstatter" <dthoch@qosi.net> > To: "JM_on_GR_G" <JM_on_GR_genealogy@telus.net> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:45 AM > Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] OTTMARs ... > > > > Richard is the son of William Ottmar b.3-9-1856 and Magdalena Sieler b. > > 8-21-1860 > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JM_on_GR_G" <JM_on_GR_genealogy@telus.net> > > To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:26 PM > > Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] OTTMARs ... > > > > > > > As i research the OTTMARs, can anyone tell me whose son Richard is who > is > > > the husband > > > of Mary nee Jeske in the obit below: > > > > > > Any other OTTMAR researchers out there? > > > > > > TIA, > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > From: "Don Hochstatter" <dthoch@qosi.net> > > > Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] Obit: Mary M. (Jeske) Ottmar > > > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:27:25 -0800 > > > > > > > > > >From the Columbia Basin Herald 12-11-1903 > > > Mary M. Ottmar, 94, lifelong Grant County resident and pioneer family > > > member, > > > passed away Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at SunBridge Care and > Rehabilitation > > > Center in Moses Lake. Graveside funeral services will be held at 11 a.m. > > > Friday December 12, 2003 at Pioneer Memorial Gardens in Moses Lake with > > > Pastor Don Reese officiating. > > > > > > Arrangements are in care of Kayser's Chapel > > > and Crematory, Moses Lake. Friends may call at the funeral home for > > viewing > > > on Thursday evening from 5-7 p.m. > > > > > > Mary was born December 21, 1908 in Warden, > > > Washington to Chris and Carolina (Horning) Jeske. As a young woman, Mary > > > worked in the Warden Post Office. > > > > > > In 1929, she married Richard Ottmar. > > > They lived in Moses Lake, as Richard had several service stations. They > > > decided to try farming in 1939 which they did until 1962 when they moved > > > into town to semi-retire. > > > > > > Mary worked for several years at Mederith Variety Store in Vista > Village. > > > > > > Her Hobbies were family, gardening, knitting, > > > crocheting and playing pinochle with friends. > > > > > > She is survived by: one son > > > and daughter-in-law, Harvey and June Ottmar; one daughter, Elma Swanson; > > > five grandchildren and 11 great-grandchildren; and numerous nieces and > > > nephews. > > > > > > Mary was preceded in death by her husband, Richard in 1970, her > > > parents, five Brothers and one sister. > > > > > > > > > > ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and most SPAM is intercepted. >

Thanx Don! That would be Wilh. son of Johan! I assume that he is the one who married in 1855...; as per: Grossliebental Marriage Records, 185x Ottmar, Johann & Frey, Friedricka 19 Apr 1855 Grossliebental 1884075/1 220 15 Do U have a marriage date for William Ottmar and Magdalena Sieler ??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Hochstatter" <dthoch@qosi.net> To: "JM_on_GR_G" <JM_on_GR_genealogy@telus.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] OTTMARs ... > Richard is the son of William Ottmar b.3-9-1856 and Magdalena Sieler b. > 8-21-1860 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JM_on_GR_G" <JM_on_GR_genealogy@telus.net> > To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:26 PM > Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] OTTMARs ... > > > > As i research the OTTMARs, can anyone tell me whose son Richard is who is > > the husband > > of Mary nee Jeske in the obit below: > > > > Any other OTTMAR researchers out there? > > > > TIA, > > Jay > > > > > > From: "Don Hochstatter" <dthoch@qosi.net> > > Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] Obit: Mary M. (Jeske) Ottmar > > Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 12:27:25 -0800 > > > > > > >From the Columbia Basin Herald 12-11-1903 > > Mary M. Ottmar, 94, lifelong Grant County resident and pioneer family > > member, > > passed away Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at SunBridge Care and Rehabilitation > > Center in Moses Lake. Graveside funeral services will be held at 11 a.m. > > Friday December 12, 2003 at Pioneer Memorial Gardens in Moses Lake with > > Pastor Don Reese officiating. > > > > Arrangements are in care of Kayser's Chapel > > and Crematory, Moses Lake. Friends may call at the funeral home for > viewing > > on Thursday evening from 5-7 p.m. > > > > Mary was born December 21, 1908 in Warden, > > Washington to Chris and Carolina (Horning) Jeske. As a young woman, Mary > > worked in the Warden Post Office. > > > > In 1929, she married Richard Ottmar. > > They lived in Moses Lake, as Richard had several service stations. They > > decided to try farming in 1939 which they did until 1962 when they moved > > into town to semi-retire. > > > > Mary worked for several years at Mederith Variety Store in Vista Village. > > > > Her Hobbies were family, gardening, knitting, > > crocheting and playing pinochle with friends. > > > > She is survived by: one son > > and daughter-in-law, Harvey and June Ottmar; one daughter, Elma Swanson; > > five grandchildren and 11 great-grandchildren; and numerous nieces and > > nephews. > > > > Mary was preceded in death by her husband, Richard in 1970, her > > parents, five Brothers and one sister. > > > >