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Ancestry.com - The No. 1 Source for Family History OnlineWas: Rooter Records in the 1930 Census Folks, I thought i would share a lil humour here. On one of the websited where i was doing some searching, i used a "handle" i have for just such purposes***. That handle being "Roots Rooter".... Clearly i'm not researching the Rooter family! But look here what they found for me... I NEVER asked for their SPAM to come to me... but at least with this one i ended up having a good chuckle... Has anyone else got a "funny one" to share? OK, now back to rooting for me! JM. © 2004, JM *** I never use my actual ISP account or my real name; as it is so hard to get rid of these SPAMmers, be they legitimate businesses or not. { MyFamily.com is NOT on my list of favourite companies! For obvious reasons! The line ""You have selected weekly send alerts as: RootsRooter@hotmail.com. "" is hogwash. } ----- Original Message ----- From: Ancestry.com To: RootsRooter@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:03 PM Subject: RE: Rooter Records in the 1930 Census Dear Roots, I may have found some records on the people you've been searching for. Details on the search can be found below: a.. 2 Rooter names in the 1930 U.S. Federal Census Index Can we help you search for someone else? If so, enter the information of a new person in the boxes below and let Ancestry.com continue to do the work for you! Ancestor's First Name: Ancestor's Last Name: Hope this helps, Seth Research Assistant, Ancestry.com Update the list of people we're searching for on your behalf. Edit your account options, or unsubscribe from this communication. You have selected weekly send alerts as: RootsRooter@hotmail.com. Privacy Policy Ancestry.com does not sell, rent or otherwise distribute the personal information you provide us to third party advertisers. You received this email because you are a registrant or subscriber with Ancestry.com. If you would like to contact Ancestry.com directly, please write to: MyFamily.com, Inc., 360 West 4800 North, Provo, UT 84604 Attn: Customer Service.

I was not going to comment on this { Vera's } post here on GR-HERITAGE... since it deals primarily with records in Russia of interest to genealogical researchers. However since a discussion-thread has developed i would like to point out that the material which Vera cited is from a copyrighted article < 1995 > that has been on the FEEFHS webpages for quite a while. Apart from not providing the proper credit, Vera managed to also get the material "jumbled"*** So let me try to do it again... Here goes, with the credits: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From the webpage at http://feefhs.org/frl/ru/rusgens.html in the part Russian Genealogical Sources by Kahlile Mehr copyright 1995 by Kahlile Mehr and FEEFHS; all rights reserved we can see the following: 1) GENERAL The two primary sources for pre-revolutionary genealogy in Russia are revision lists (poll tax census) and parish registers (more precisely, parish register transcripts). In both cases, the annual returns for a particular region were often bound together, no matter how many folios existed for that region. then skipping section 2, a bit further on we read: 3) REVIZSKIE SKAZKI (revision lists) Church books are not the best research source for Russian genealogy. Both archivists and researchers told me that the best place to begin research is in the revision lists. Revision lists were kept between 1719 and 1858 to support a national poll tax. They covered 95% of the population. The poll tax was announced by Peter I in 1718 and was undertaken in 1719. He instituted it in order to change the basis of taxation from households to individuals. It still took several years for the returns to come in. In the meantime Peter I died. The second revision was initiated in 1743 by Elizabeth. The third revision, 1761-1767, coincided with the ascension of Catherine II to the throne. It included females for the first time. The fourth revision (1778-1787, was the first to be conducted by the region fiscal chamber (kazionnaia palata), established in 1775 to handle income and expenses of governmental institutions, the collection of taxes, and the conduct of revisions. The fifth revision was in 1794-1808. The sixth revision was in 1811-1812. The seventh revision was in 1815-1825. The eighth revision was in 1833-1835. The ninth revision was in 1850-1852. The tenth revision was in 1857-1859. The last three revisions noted changes in families during the interim between the revisions. The tax was imposed on all male persons of the lower classes at a rate of 80 kopeks a year. Nobility, clergy, officialdom, army, and higher strata of the urban population were exempt -- about 10% in the 19th century. Separate volumes were kept for the different classes of society. a.. dvorianstvo -- nobility b.. dukhovenstvo -- clergy c.. kupechestvo -- merchant d.. meshchane -- urban dweller e.. krest'iane -- peasant f.. inorodtsy -- native peoples g.. kazaki -- cossaks This material carries " © copyright 1995 by Kahlile Mehr and FEEFHS; all rights reserved " < That means it should only be quoted WITH the copyright notice included. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Unfortunately Vera inserted { useful as it is! } 2c) Evangelical (Lutheran) Russia mandated the keeping of records in 1832. There were two diocese offices, one in St. Petersburg and the other in Moscow. The registers were kept in German, until the law of 1891 required that they be kept in Russian. smack dab in the middle of the first paragraph under 3) . I urge all interested parties to visit the FEEHS webpage and study the material in its entirety there... Good luck.... Jay Meeuwig PS Any question, i will be happy to anser on GermanRussian at Rootsweb.com. See http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/RUS/GermanRussian.html CC: GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vera Beljakova" <atacama@global.co.za> To: <GR-HERITAGE@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:06 PM Subject: [GR-HERITAGE] Russian census dates (revsion lists) > Here are the exact years during which census was taken in Russian, > usually during the winter period, when population was least mobile. > > Extract: > > 3) REVIZSKIE SKAZKI (revision lists) > > Church books are not the best research source for Russian genealogy. > > (( 2c) Evangelical (Lutheran) > Russia mandated the keeping of records in 1832. There were two diocese > offices, one in St. Petersburg and the other in Moscow. The registers > were kept in German, until the law of 1891 required that they be kept in > Russian. )) > > Both archivists and researchers told me that the best place to begin > research is in the revision lists. > Revision lists were kept between 1719 and 1858 to support a national > poll tax. > They covered 95% of the population. > > The poll tax was announced by Peter I in 1718 and was undertaken in 1719. > He instituted it in order to change the basis of taxation from > households to individuals. > It still took several years for the returns to come in. > In the meantime Peter I died. > > The 2nd revision was initiated in 1743 by Elizabeth. .......................................... snipped till... > from: > http://feefhs.org/frl/ru/rusgens.html >

I would like to hear from other MOBIUS researchers. Thanx in advance, JM ----- Original Message ----- To: GR-GENEALOGY@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 12:12 PM Subject: [GR-GENEALOGY] ................ Survivors include his sister and brother-in-law, ............. Rexius of Royal City, Wash.;

File: Glueckstal Birth Records, 183x Boerkirschert, Christoph 23 Aug 1839 Cassel Tobias 1882649/3 214 127 File: Rohrbach Birth Records, 187x Rennich, Johannes 4 Feb 1870 Waterloo Rennich, Anton, Boerkirschert 1884111/2 741 5 Bapt 22-Feb Rennich, Johannes 23 Sep 1871 Waterloo Rennich, Anton, Boerkirschert 1884126/1 771 33 Bapt 3-Oct COMPARE <e.g.> File: Glueckstal Birth Records, 183x Boerkirchert, Christina Barba 8 May 1838 Cassel Tobias 1882648/2 149 96 Boerkirchert, Eva Barbara 27 Oct 1835 Cassel Tobias 1882645/2 205 177 AND File: Rohrbach Marriage Records, 186x Rennich, Anton 7 Jan 1868 Johannesthal Boerkirchert, Louisa 1884092/1 597 2

File: Rohrbach Marriage Records, 186x Rennich, Ludwig 18 Oct 1864 Worms Moerkirchert, Magdalena 1884123/4 142 9 COMPARE File: Rohrbach Marriage Records, 186x Rennich, Anton 7 Jan 1868 Johannesthal Boerkirchert, Louisa 1884092/1 597 2

Katchy, U/he might try UKR-ODESSA-GEN at Rootsweb.com Subscribing can be done via <UKR-ODESSA-GEN-D-request@rootsweb.com> or <UKR-ODESSA-GEN-L-request@rootsweb.com> See U there... ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Clark" <ameagle01@voyager.net> To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:34 PM Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] Jewish Germans From Russia > Are there any available sources around that could help another > researcher find out about his ancestors religious background? He's > trying to find out if there are any Jewish connections to his family. > I've been able to help him find some family info around the North Dakota > area but nothing gives an answer of the family being Jewish or not. > > Kathy > > > ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== > Any virus infected e-mail via [claiming to be from] a Rootsweb.com list is FORGED. >

From: Freudental Birth Records, 187x Heimrich, Christine 27Jan1874 Rosenfeld Peter/Louise Moser 1884120/1 537 10 From Neuburg Heimrich, Susanne 14Nov1877 Freudental Johann/Friedrich Susanna Neumuller 1895622/1 463 44 PBN:159 From: Freudental Marriage Records, 187x Heimrich, Philipp Heinr. 7Feb1877 Freudental Elisabeth Vix 1895622/1 468 3 PBN:38 COMPARE: Heinrich, Ottilie 7Oct1870 Rosenfeld Peter/Luise Moser 1884111/2 621 82 From Neuburg Heinrich, Friedrich 23Oct1876 Freudental Johann/Michael Friedrike Jauch 1884070/1 491 50 PBN:89

Hallo noch mal wieder Walter, Around the time that Strohmaier, Christina was born there was a STROHMAIER family in Rosenfeld... To wit a Friedrich STROHMAIER who was married to a Karoline HUMMEL. I have not been able to find a birth record for Christina, but here is what i have for the STROHMAIER/HUMMEL family: For Friedrich Strohmaier & Karoline Hummel births: Name.................................. Born on........ At............ Strohmaier, Catharine 13 Nov 1870 Rosenfeld Strohmaier, Karoline 5 Nov 1871 Rosenfeld Strohmaier, Elisabeth 18 Sep 1874 Rosenfeld Strohmaier, Johann 3 Feb 1885 Rosenfeld From: Freudental Birth Records If U are positive about the place of birth of Christina, then likely she fits in as a child of Friedrich Strohmaier & Karoline Hummel, since they were the only couple IN Rosenfeld ( as far as i can tell ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "walter klex" <larissa88de@yahoo.de> To: "JM_on_GR_G" <JM_on_GR_genealogy@telus.net> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 8:40 AM Subject: Re: ROSENFELD > Hallo, > ............... I know that there where three or four > villages of Rosenfeld. "My" Rosenfeld is also this > Konoplewa with follow Strohmaier: > > Strohmaier, Christina > 1.) > 2.) 13.05.1876 Rosenfeld/Ukraine ........................................................... > With greetings > > Walter > > --- JM_on_GR_G <JM_on_GR_genealogy@telus.net> schrieb: > > Hallo Walter, > > > > Guten Tag! > > > > I'm also researching ROSENFELD; aka KONOPLEWO... > > Most of my information is on > > GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com > > > > What era (years) are we looking for for STROHMAIER? > > > > Btw There were other Rosenfelds; but not for > > STROHMAIER & GOEHRING > > My next post will be about where U will find info... > > > > Jay > > > > PS If U like i will post replies via that list... > > See: > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/RUS/GermanRussian.html > > > > BCC: Walter Maier > >

Hallo Walter, Guten Tag! I'm also researching ROSENFELD; aka KONOPLEWO... Most of my information is on GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com What era (years) are we looking for for STROHMAIER? Btw There were other Rosenfelds; but not for STROHMAIER & GOEHRING My next post will be about where U will find info... Jay PS If U like i will post replies via that list... See: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/RUS/GermanRussian.html BCC: Walter Maier ----- Original Message ----- From: "walter klex" <larissa88de@yahoo.de> To: <GR-GENEALOGY@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:18 PM Subject: [GR-GENEALOGY] ROSENFELD, GNADENTHAL, REICHENFELD and MARIENHAIN > Dear Researcher, > > my name is Walter Klex and just I begun do search > informations about the following families > in the black sea area: > > Klex --> GNADENTHAL (Kauskaus ?) > Lorenz ---> REICHENFELD > Hoffmann ---> MARIENHAIN, MARIENHEIM or MARIAHEIM > Kessler --> KREIS KRONAU > Goehring und Strohmaier --> ROSENFELD/ Odessa > > > Have anebody more informations about families/ > villages? Where can I find church records? > > > > > Sehr geehrte Mitsucher, > > > mein Name ist Walter Klex und ich habe mich auf die > Spuren meiner Vorfahren gegeben, > die z.T. aus der Region Odessa stammen. Von einem > Verwandten erhielt sich den Hinweis, es doch zunächst > einmal mit dieser Mailing-Liste zu versuchen. > > > Folgende Schwerpunkte habe ich: > > > Klex --> GNADENTHAL (Kauskaus ?) > Lorenz ---> REICHENFELD > Hoffmann ---> MARIENHAIN, MARIENHEIM or MARIAHEIM > Kessler --> KREIS KRONAU > Goehring und Strohmaier --> ROSENFELD/ Odessa > > > Weiss jemand etwas mehr über besagte Familien, bzw.wo > sich Kirchenbücher befinden? > > > > Herzlich grüßend > > Walter > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 100MB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de

GNADEN-thal; Gnaden = mercy FREUDEN-thal; Freude(n) = joy(s) *** LIEBEN-thal; Liebe(n) = love(s) HOFFNUNG-s-thal, HOFFNUNG-s-feld; Hoffnung = hope GLUeCK-s-thal; Glueck = happiness < also luck , but not in this context > "thal" or "tal" is valley, dale ; "feld" is field ----- Original Message ----- From: "JM_on_GR_G" <JM_on_GR_genealogy@telus.net> To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] Is it safe to say that our ancestors > Nope... Rene' , > > A lotta names have nothing to do with placenames in Germany. > > There were a lot of folks who were "dreaming of" or "hoping for" the > "promised land"... > Hence they came up with names like > GNADEN-thal; FREUDEN-thal; LIEBEN-thal; GLUeCKS-thal*. Etc.... > > Names that have more to do with hope and aspirations < religion? > than any > existing place in their country of origin... > > Other placenames derived from a wish to flatter the ruling Tzars or to > commemorate historical events... > E.g. ALEXANDER-hilf/dorf ; SOPHIEN-thal > > Keep in mind that it was not the settlers who made the final decisions on > what places were name > > Of course there are many names which do relate to places the settlers may > have hailed from; e.g. > > KASSEL > NEUBURG < never NeuBERG > > > Hope this helps, > > jm > > > Btw. If U have specific names in mind, lemme know; and i will offer an > opinion on its origin. > > * Any time U see "-thal" U may also write "-tal"... The form with "h" is an > older style. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ENEA59@aol.com> > To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:44 PM > Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] Is it safe to say that our ancestors > > > > named a lot of the Russian villages after German villages? > > > > Rene'

Nope... Rene' , A lotta names have nothing to do with placenames in Germany. There were a lot of folks who were "dreaming of" or "hoping for" the "promised land"... Hence they came up with names like GNADEN-thal; FREUDEN-thal; LIEBEN-thal etc.... GLUeCKS-thal*. Names that have more to do with hope and aspirations < religion? > than any existing place in their country of origin... Other placenames derived from a wish to flatter the ruling Tzars or to commemorate historical events... E.g. ALEXANDER-hilf/dorf ; SOPHIEN-thal Keep in mind that it was not the settlers who made the final decisions on what places were name Of course there are many names which do relate to places the settlers may have hailed from; e.g. KASSEL NEUBURG < never NeuBERG > Hope this helps, jm Btw. If U have specific names in mind, lemme know; and i will offer an opinion on its origin. * Any time U see "-thal" U may also write "-tal"... The form with "h" is an older style. ----- Original Message ----- From: <ENEA59@aol.com> To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 1:44 PM Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] Is it safe to say that our ancestors > named a lot of the Russian villages after German villages? > > Rene'

Name Spouse Birth date Death date Giesinger, Adam Giesinger, Adam Schropp, Mary Giesinger, Ambrose Colebank, Phyllis Giesinger, Ambrose Risling, Regina Giesinger, Bruno Schuck, Madeline March 20, 1888 November 04, 1971 Giesinger, Christian Neary, Patricia Brigid December 12, 1928 December 27, 1964 Giesinger, Darlene November 03, 1965 December 23, 1965 Giesinger, Dawn Christine July 25, 1956 July 29, 1956 Giesinger, Edward Stephen Steves, Shirley Anne Giesinger, Female Gottschau, Walter Giesinger, Jerome Stephan, Barbara March 24, 1914 February 20, 1969 Giesinger, Vincent Aloysius Metz, Eugenia June 28, 1900 February 26, 1977

Hello, I am looking for help and information on great grandfather, Gabriel Roth, and family, that migrated from South Russia to the United States around 1902. I found the following United States census records for them: 1920 United States Census Roth, Gabriel Head Male White 52 Married Citizenship: 1902 PA, Born: Russia, Other languages: German, Father born: Russia, language German, Mother born: Russia, language German, Occupation: Laborer-pickle work. Roth, Katherine E. Wife Female White 42 Married Citizenship: 1902 AL, Born: Russia, Other languages: German, Father born: Russia, language German, Mother born: Russia, language German. Roth, Walter Son Male White 18 Single Citizenship: 1902 AL, Born: Russia, Other languages: German RUSS RUSS Laborer-Ship Yard Roth, Joe Son Male White 17 Single Citizenship: 1902 AL, Born: England, Other languages: German, RUSS RUSS Laborer-pickle work Roth, Sebastian Son Male White 16 Single SD RUSS RUSS Laborer-Furniture Factory Roth, Jack Son Male White 11 Single SD RUSS RUSS Roth, Sigfrid Son Male White 9 Single SD RUSS RUSS Roth, Anton Son Male White 7 Single SD RUSS RUSS Roth, Gabriel Son Male White 6 Single SD RUSS RUSS Roth, Bazelluis Son Male White 3 Single OR RUSS RUSS [Source: 1920 U.S. Census, Oregon, MULTNOMAH, PORTLAND; 119-PCT, Series: T625, Roll: 1500, Page: 272] 1930 United States Census Roth, Gabriel Head Male White 60 Married 29 yrs. South Russia South Russia South Russia German Citizenship: 1902 Laborer-Saw Mill Roth, Katrina Wife Female White 52 Married 29 yrs. South Russia South Russia South Russia Citizenship: 1902 Roth, Siegfrid A. Son Male White 20 Single SD Russia Russia Laborer-Saw Mill Roth, Anton J. Son Male White 18 Single SD Russia Russia Painter-Furniture Roth, Gabriel Son Male White 17 Single SD Russia Russia Roth, Baeil Son Male White 14 Single OR Russia Russia [Source: 1930 U.S. Census, Oregon, MULTNOMAH, PORTLAND CITIES, ELEC PREC 152] I have been unable to find the 1910 census record for them. Based on the ages of their children in the 1920 census, they would have lived in South Dakota in 1910. I found the following ship record for a Gabriel Roth, but not sure how to find out if this is the same Gabriel I am looking for. St. John Ship Arrivals 1900-1909 (Published by the Odessa Digital Library, 5 Jun 1996) Germans from Russia arriving at the port of St. John, New Brunswick, Canada in the year 1902. SHIP: SS Lake Ontario DEPARTURE: Liverpool, England Date: 17 Dec 1902 ARRIVAL: St. John, New Brunswick, Canada Date: 29 Dec 1902 Gabriel Roth Age: 31 Destination: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada I would like to find census records, obituaries, birth records, marriage records, cemetery records, etc. but not sure where to look. I would like to find out where they lived in South Russia, who their parents were, etc. but do not know how to look for information in other countries. Any help or information about them would be greatly appreciated. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Returning to the list after a couple of years. ... I've been having a lot of trouble with my ZINK clan -- in fact, I'm starting to think I'm the only person researching them. My great-great grandmother, Juliana ZINK, was born in 1852 in Josefstal. Only today (because AHSGR saw fit to hold its annual convention in the town where I live) did I finally link my great-great grandmother with the Catholic Josefstal ZINKs once I found in an early census of Josefstal. (they're the only Catholic ZINKs around, I believe). I believe her line goes like this: (1) 1 Georg ZINK, GGGG Grandfather*, Z520, M ------------ Birth Date: 1771 Birth Place: Muehlhausen, Weissenburg, France Spouse: Margaretha, GGGG Grandmother, F Birth Date: 1773 Birth Place: Muehlhausen, Weissenburg, France Death Date: 1814 Death Place: Josefstal, Ukraine, Ussr Marr Date: 1791 Marr Place: Muehlhausen, Weissenburg, France Children: Katharina, F (1792-) Johann, M (1797-) Michael, M (1800-1813) Joseph, M (~1803-1856) (2) 1.1 Katharina ZINK, GGGG Aunt, Z520, F ------------ Birth Date: 1792 Birth Place: Muehlhausen, Weissenburg, France (2) 1.2 Johann ZINK, GGGG Uncle, Z520, M ------------ Birth Date: 1797 Birth Place: Muehlhausen, Weissenburg, France Spouse: Eva Marie, F Birth Date: 1816 Children: Katharina, F Martha, F (~1837-) (3) 1.2.1 Katharina ZINK, 1C4R, Z520, F ------------ Spouse: Joseph ASCHENBRENER, A251, M Children: Joseph, M (~1857-) (4) 1.2.1.1 Joseph ASCHENBRENER, 2C3R, A251, M ------------ Birth Date: abt 1857 Birth Place: Josefstal, Grossliebental, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) (3) 1.2.2 Martha ZINK, 1C4R, Z520, F ------------ Birth Date: abt 1837 Birth Place: Josefstal, Grossliebental, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) Spouse: Joseph BERGER, B626, M Children: Joseph, M (~1854-) (4) 1.2.2.1 Joseph BERGER, 2C3R, B626, M ------------ Birth Date: abt 1854 Birth Place: Josefstal, Grossliebental, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) (2) 1.3 Michael ZINK, GGGG Uncle, Z520, M ------------ Birth Date: 1800 Birth Place: Muehlhausen, Weissenburg, France Death Date: 1813 Death Place: Josephstal, Ukraine, Ussr (2) 1.4 Joseph ZINK, GGG Grandfather, Z520, M ------------ Birth Date: abt 1803 Birth Place: Muehlhausen, Weissenburg, France Death Date: 1856 Death Place: Josefstal, Grossliebental, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) Spouse: Eva, GGG Grandmother, F Birth Date: 1822 Children: Katharina, F (~1845-) Elisabetha, F (~1848-) Julianna, F (1852-1929) Josephina, F (~1857-) (3) 1.4.1 Katharina ZINK, GGG Aunt, Z520, F ------------ Birth Date: abt 1845 Birth Place: Josefstal, Grossliebental, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) (3) 1.4.2 Elisabetha ZINK, GGG Aunt, Z520, F ------------ Birth Date: abt 1848 Birth Place: Josefstal, Grossliebental, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) (3) 1.4.3 Julianna ZINK, GG Grandmother, Z520, F ------------ Birth Date: Feb 1852 Birth Place: Josefstal, Grossliebental, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) Death Date: 1929 Death Place: Sacred Heart Parish, Konawa, Seminole, Oklahoma Spouse: Josef Franz/Frank IMMEL, GG Grandfather, I540, M (more info available) Birth Date: 28 Mar 1848 Birth Place: Landau, Beresan, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) Birth Memo: Cemetery record says he was born in 1844 Death Date: 1903 Death Place: Sacred Heart parish, Konawa, Seminole, Oklahoma Father: Christian IMMEL, GGG Grandfather, I540, M (1816-1871) Mother: Annamaria HECKEL, GGG Grandmother, H240, F (1820-1862) Children: Marianna (Mary Ann), F (1871-1941) (more info available) Georg, M (1874-) Anna, F (1878-) Franciscus, M (1880-) Margaretha "Maggie", F (1883-1967) (my great-grandmother -- more info available) Wendelina, F (1887-) (more info available) (3) 1.4.4 Josephina ZINK, GGG Aunt, Z520, F ------------ Birth Date: abt 1857 Birth Place: Josefstal, Grossliebental, Odessa, Russia (Ukraine) * How they're related to me, being the self-centered person I am. __________ If you have any information about any of these people or want information, let me know. That includes the ASCHENBRENER and BERGER in-laws; I don't care. I like data. Thanks! Joann BETSCHART mailto:lunza@earthlink.net My German-Russian surnames: IMEL/IMMEL, HECKEL, RIEDINGER, HELBLING, WALTER, SCHLOSSER in Landau or Speier, Beresan; and ZINK in Josefstal, Grossliebental.

named a lot of the Russian villages after German villages? Rene'

Are there any available sources around that could help another researcher find out about his ancestors religious background? He's trying to find out if there are any Jewish connections to his family. I've been able to help him find some family info around the North Dakota area but nothing gives an answer of the family being Jewish or not. Kathy

Hello, Here is another short one. I have Wormsbecker sisters married to two Obrigewitsch brothers in my files. Let me know if you have any connections with either. Until then, Michael Klotz Name Spouse Birth date Death date Wormsbecker, Albert June 29, 1904 December 19, 1932 Wormsbecker, Alexander Wormsbecker, Alexander Alexander Maier, Franziska February 14, 1915 April 17, 1977 Wormsbecker, Christa Coakes Wormsbecker, Harry P Pitch, Anna Alma

The following is our "Moser" lineage. I hope I've not violated any Posting rules. Johann Phillip Moser, Jr. (b. May 24, 1773 in Altweilen, Nassau, Hungary; d. July 13, 1855 in Freudental, Odessa, Ukrane, South Russia) m. unknown date & place Christine Christman (b. Oct. 01, 1774 in Kroffelbach, Pfalz, Germany; d. Feb. 24, 1852 in Freudental, Odessa, Ukrane, South Russia) & they had 6 children. Jakob Moser (b. May 24, 1773 in Altweilen, Nassau, Hungary; d. July 13, 1855 in Freudental, Odessa, Ukrane, South Russia) m. unknown date & place Christina Seeffren (b. Oct. 01, 1774 in Kroffelbach, Pfalz, Germany; d. Feb. 24, 1852 in Freudental, Odessa, Ukrane, South Russia) & they had 6 children. Jakob Moser (b. Sep. 10, 1795 in Altweilen, Nassau, Hungary; d. 1878 in Freudental, Odessa, Ukrane, South Russia) m. Gertrude Zechmeister (b. unk; d. unk) Johann Justinus Moser (b. 1798 in Altweilen, Nassau, Hungary; d. unk) m. unknown date & place Margsbeth Simon (b. unk; d. unk) Christian Moser (b. 1799 in Altweilen, Nassau, Hungary; d. Feb. 1883 in Freudental, Odessa, Ukrane, South Russia) m. unknown date & place Sophia Hemmrich (b. unk; d. unk) Christina Moser (b. Feb. 22, 1801 in Altweilen, Nassau, Hungary; d. Feb. 1883 in Freudental, Russia) m. unknown date & place Johannes Krauss (b. unk; d. unk) Johann Phillip Moser, Sr. (b. 1804 in Altweilen, Nassau, Hungary; d. 1853 in Freudental, Odessa, Ukrane, South Russia) m. unknown date & place Catharina Elizabeth Walter (b. March 28, 1809 in Freudental, Russia; d. July 14, 1848 in Freudental, Russia) & they had 7 children. Elisabeth Margaretha Moser (b. 1834 in Hoffnungstal, South Russia; d. unk) m. September 19, 1852 in unk place Phillip Heinrich Hemmerich (b. unk; d. unk) Christina Elisabeth Moser (b. Oct. 15, 1834 in unk place; d. unk) Catharina Margaritha Moser (b. Feb. 28, 1837 in unk; d. 1843 in Freudental, Russia) Carl Friedrich Moser (b. Oct. 09, 1838 in unk; d. 1841 in unk) Heinrich Christian Moser (b. Feb. 12, 1841 in Freudental, Russia; d. unk) Johann Jacob Moser (b. Feb. 18, 1845 in unk; d. unk) Johann Phillip Moser, Jr. (b. Sep. 03, 1847 in Seebach, Fruedental, Russia; d. Jan. 20, 1932 in Pettibone, Kidder Co., ND U.S.A. & buried Jan. 22, 1932 in German Lutheran Church cemetery 8 mi. N. of Pettibone) m. May 25, 1870 in unk place Christine Christman (b. Apr. 07, 1853 in Freudental, Russia; d. May 07, 1936 in ND U.S.A.; buried unk in German Lutheran Church cemetery 8 mi. N. of Pettibone) & they had 17 children. Caroline Moser (b. Sep. 26, 1871 in unk; d. Bef. 1932) August Moser (b. Aug. 17, 1877 in Hoffningsburg, Russia; d. unk) m. unk date in unk place Mauretta ... unk (b. unk; d. unk) Regina Moser (b. June 28, 1879 in unk; d. Oct. 13, 1953 in Jamestown, ND U.S.A.) m. unknown date & place ... Bauers (b. unk; d. unk) Elizabeth Moser (b. unk; d. unk); m. unknown date & place ... Ahner (b. unk; d. unk) Christ Moser (b. unk; d. unk) Johann (John) Moser (b. Mar. 25, 1884 in South Russia; d. July 18, 1954 in Toppenish, Yakima Co., WA U.S.A.) m. Bet. 1900 - 1908 in unk place Anna Marie Loewenberger (b. April 12, 1888 in Odessa, Russia; d. Feb. 18, 1968 in Toppenish, Yakima Co., WA U.S.A.; buried Feb. 21, 1968 in Elmwood Cemetery, Toppenish) & they had 17 children... Gustave, Lydia, John Jr., Alfred, William, Carolina, Reinhold, Bertha, Philip, Christina, Oscar, Martha, Samuel, Emma, Anna, Mary, & Leona. Christian Moser (b. Feb. 16, 1886 in Kasson, Russia; d. March 21, 1937 in Pettibone, ND U.S.A.) m. unk date & place Sarah ... (b. unk; d. unk) Barbara Moser (b. June 26, 1890 in Odessa, Russia; d. May 27, 1941 in Bismarck, ND U.S.A.; buried unk date in Jamestown, ND) m. unk date & place ... Guthmiller (b. unk; d. unk) Gust Moser (b. unk; d. unk) +7 unk brothers/sisters(?) to Gust, followed by unk girl (b. & d. North Dakota) Ludwig Moser (b. June 30, 1805 in Altweilen, Nassau, Hungary; d. Aug. 30, 1874 in Freudental, Odessa, Ukrane, South Russia) m. unk date & place Regina Schutz (b. unk; d. unk) Any assistance offered to our learning more about any of these relatives will be much appreciated. I'm definitely no expert at genealogy & wouldn't have this information had it not been for the generosity of one of my wife's cousins (in AK), who happened to make contact with us via the Moser-L a year or 2 ago (I lose track of time real easy now, sad to say). She's been our ONLY responder. Dave drcaldwell@cablerocket.com

Good Evening, Short one today. I wasn't even sure if Hartman was a German Russian name but with the Volk and the Muller marriages, I figured it couldn't hurt to post them. The true spelling of the name may be Hartmann but the names I am researching only have one. Let me know if you would like to see copies of the records Until then, Michael Name Spouse Birth date Death date Hartman, Anton Kline, Theresa Hartman, Anton Banik, Bertha March 11, 1888 October 09, 1958 Hartman, Dorothy Volk, Donald Anthony Hartman, Karl Muller, Wanda May 15, 1884 November 26, 1978 Hartman, Rudolph