Hi Derek, that is entirely possible. I think U will find that the spelling with "h" occurs exclusively [as far as the St.Pete records go ] as it pertains to Volhynia, where "Arnold" is also present. On the rest of the records... including NEUSATZ only "Arnold" shows. See http://www.odessa3.org/search.html and search for either "Arno*" or "Arnh*" Keep in mind that these are by and large "Lutheran" records. I have no idea what the score is for Catholic records, as we have but limited info on same. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek J Witt" <dwitt1@kc.rr.com> To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 2:51 PM Subject: RE: [GERmanRUSsian] From NEUSATZ > My grandmother's maiden name is Arnold. She has told me she used to > spell it Arnhold. Her parents are Jacob (died in 1932 at age 48) and > Rosa Arnold (died 1956 in Hays, KS due to a horrible accident). > > -----Original Message----- > From: JM_on_GR_G [mailto:JM_on_GR_genealogy@telus.net] > Sent: Saturday, 4 September, 2004 9:19 PM > To: GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] From NEUSATZ > > Dobri Denj Vladimir! > > For Arnhold i would also search for ARNOLD... > > > Have U seen: > < from Neusatz Records > > Marriage: > Arnold, Cornelius oo Wessel, Katharina Elisabetha > on 29 Sep 1866 > at Neusatz Parish > film#1884088/4 216 22 > and > Birth: > Arnold, Wilhelm > on 2 Nov 1868 > at Neusatz > father: Kornalius Arnold > film#1884108/5 293 76 > > There is also the following... > Rohrbach Death Record > Arnold, Julius +6 Sep 1871 Neusatz , > 1884126/1 797 12 Age 40 y Single > Born in Koenigsberg, Pr. > > Likely the most important thing > in that record is the place of birth... > > > > > There is also information available abt JATON... > i think the first settler was Daniel who came from Switzerland... > Is that the line U are researching? > And i have also seen that name as "Jathon" > > Hope this helps! > > Jasha > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chutchev Vladimir" <ulu_dimir@mail.ru> > To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:25 AM > Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] Roll Call > > > > Researching: > > FRANZ,FELSINGER,BELLER,HAACK from Krassnoyar,Saratov/Samara > > FROESCHER,KOEHLER,GERBERSHAGEN,ARNHOLD from Taurida and Crimea > > JATON from Bessarabia and North Caucasia > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Chutchev Vladimir,Togliatty city,Samara,Russia > > mailto:ulu_dimir@mail.ru > > > > > > ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== > > You may SEARCH our Archives anytime by going to: > > > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GermanRussia > n > > > > > > > ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== > Information about the GermanRussian Mailing List is at > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/RUS/GermanRussian.html > > > ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are NOT allowed. > >

My grandmother's maiden name is Arnold. She has told me she used to spell it Arnhold. Her parents are Jacob (died in 1932 at age 48) and Rosa Arnold (died 1956 in Hays, KS due to a horrible accident). -----Original Message----- From: JM_on_GR_G [mailto:JM_on_GR_genealogy@telus.net] Sent: Saturday, 4 September, 2004 9:19 PM To: GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] From NEUSATZ Dobri Denj Vladimir! For Arnhold i would also search for ARNOLD... Have U seen: < from Neusatz Records > Marriage: Arnold, Cornelius oo Wessel, Katharina Elisabetha on 29 Sep 1866 at Neusatz Parish film#1884088/4 216 22 and Birth: Arnold, Wilhelm on 2 Nov 1868 at Neusatz father: Kornalius Arnold film#1884108/5 293 76 There is also the following... Rohrbach Death Record Arnold, Julius +6 Sep 1871 Neusatz , 1884126/1 797 12 Age 40 y Single Born in Koenigsberg, Pr. Likely the most important thing in that record is the place of birth... There is also information available abt JATON... i think the first settler was Daniel who came from Switzerland... Is that the line U are researching? And i have also seen that name as "Jathon" Hope this helps! Jasha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chutchev Vladimir" <ulu_dimir@mail.ru> To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:25 AM Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] Roll Call > Researching: > FRANZ,FELSINGER,BELLER,HAACK from Krassnoyar,Saratov/Samara > FROESCHER,KOEHLER,GERBERSHAGEN,ARNHOLD from Taurida and Crimea > JATON from Bessarabia and North Caucasia > > -- > Best regards, > Chutchev Vladimir,Togliatty city,Samara,Russia > mailto:ulu_dimir@mail.ru > > > ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== > You may SEARCH our Archives anytime by going to: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GermanRussia n > > ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== Information about the GermanRussian Mailing List is at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/RUS/GermanRussian.html

Also from a different angle: "Recently deceased: John Sahli after a brief illness, leaving a 48-year-old sick wife with six children,... " which came from KANDEL, South Russia per Mr. Stroh in March of 1913 And from "HOSMER 100 years of Dreams and Realities, 1887-1987" SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS Chairman Clerk Treasurer 1903-Deofil Sahli John Erickson John Heckenlaible 1905-Deofil Sahli Frank Boldt John Heckenlaible ----- Original Message ----- From: John Sahli To: JM_on_GR_G Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 2:15 AM Subject: Re: Gauer to SAHLI Thanks for this interesting snippet. Now I'll be trying to figure out more about it. John Sahli JM_on_GR_G wrote: John i thought U might appreciate the following snippet i found in a letter: ""Valentin Mack did indeed arrive in Vibank, Saskatchewan, Canada, at the home of his brother-in-law, Georg Sahli. I received a letter from him saying that he brought four neckerchiefs for my wife and daughter as a present from my brother-in-law Alois Mack. "" The letter was written in April 1914 by Jos. Gauer from Craven, South Dakota

Dobri Denj Vladimir! For Arnhold i would also search for ARNOLD... Have U seen: < from Neusatz Records > Marriage: Arnold, Cornelius oo Wessel, Katharina Elisabetha on 29 Sep 1866 at Neusatz Parish film#1884088/4 216 22 and Birth: Arnold, Wilhelm on 2 Nov 1868 at Neusatz father: Kornalius Arnold film#1884108/5 293 76 There is also the following... Rohrbach Death Record Arnold, Julius +6 Sep 1871 Neusatz , 1884126/1 797 12 Age 40 y Single Born in Koenigsberg, Pr. Likely the most important thing in that record is the place of birth... There is also information available abt JATON... i think the first settler was Daniel who came from Switzerland... Is that the line U are researching? And i have also seen that name as "Jathon" Hope this helps! Jasha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chutchev Vladimir" <ulu_dimir@mail.ru> To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:25 AM Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] Roll Call > Researching: > FRANZ,FELSINGER,BELLER,HAACK from Krassnoyar,Saratov/Samara > FROESCHER,KOEHLER,GERBERSHAGEN,ARNHOLD from Taurida and Crimea > JATON from Bessarabia and North Caucasia > > -- > Best regards, > Chutchev Vladimir,Togliatty city,Samara,Russia > mailto:ulu_dimir@mail.ru > > > ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== > You may SEARCH our Archives anytime by going to: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GermanRussian > >

Most of the German language Newspapers that were available in the Dakotas, have been filmed and are available at the State Archives in Bismarck.*** I recommend a visit... Either personally or via the web.*** Articles can be searched for by the staff there, at a fairly reasonable fee,,, or of course U can go and have some fun yourself. Keep in mind that the originals ARE in German, and generally in the old script. We have about 800 such letters, and are busy translating. I would like to go for another visit! But there are other things that need seeing to as well. Are U familiar with the history books that have been published for the various towns around the prairies? There is SAHLI info in them thar books too,,, JM PS from another letter <1911> we read that Theophil Sahli writes: "We always read with pleasure the news from the old homeland. Ed. Wirth perhaps hears from me often on writing about Wolhof and also to not forget to mention in his next letter whether my uncle, Jos. Kreital is also in Wolhof." *** For more information on their collections please logon to the web site at http://discoverND.com/hist and then click on the "Archives and Library" section or contact them with any questions you might have. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Sahli To: JM_on_GR_G Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] SAHLI obit of sorts What a neat tidbit... thanks a lot. This is good historical and personal information. It appears you have access to some old archives that are bringing yesterdays treasures to light. Regards, John Sahli http://home.att.net/~johnsahli/index.html JM_on_GR_G wrote: How is this one? Not a "standard" obit, but a letter written to the paper : Bismarck, ND: Der Staats-Anzeiger; May 1914 Theophil Sahli writes: Hosmer, South Dakota, May 11, 1914 I would like to take up a few lines of the this paper so that my relatives in Russia and Canada can learn that my dear mother, wife of Siegfried Sahli passed away on the 2nd of May this year in Aberdeen, SD. The deceased was born in the year 1849 in South Russia and emigrated to the United States in 1889 from Russia. She reached the age of 65 years and 24 days. She had lived for the past 13 months in Aberdeen, SD, where she also departed from this life. She leaves behind her 66 year old husband, my father Siegfried Sahli, 5 sons and 1 daughter. Four of the sons are married and one son, 18 years old, is still single. The daughter is married also, to Peter Buckmeier. She also leaves 20 grandsons and 2 granddaughters. Of the brothers and sisters she leaves one brother Joseph Kreitel and one sister Marianna, married to Jakob Eberle. 3 brothers and 3 sisters preceded the deceased in death. May eternal light shine upon her and may she rest in peace! ----- Original Message ----- From: John Sahli To: JM_on_GR_G Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 2:15 AM Subject: Re: Gauer to SAHLI Thanks for this interesting snippet. Now I'll be trying to figure out more about it. John Sahli JM_on_GR_G wrote: John i thought U might appreciate the following snippet i found in a letter: ""Valentin Mack did indeed arrive in Vibank, Saskatchewan, Canada, at the home of his brother-in-law, Georg Sahli. I received a letter from him saying that he brought four neckerchiefs for my wife and daughter as a present from my brother-in-law Alois Mack. "" The letter was written in April 1914 by Jos. Gauer from Craven, South Dakota ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== Any virus infected e-mail via [claiming to be from] a Rootsweb.com list is FORGED.

How is this one? Not a "standard" obit, but a letter written to the paper : Bismarck, ND: Der Staats-Anzeiger; May 1914 Theophil Sahli writes: Hosmer, South Dakota, May 11, 1914 I would like to take up a few lines of the this paper so that my relatives in Russia and Canada can learn that my dear mother, wife of Siegfried Sahli passed away on the 2nd of May this year in Aberdeen, SD. The deceased was born in the year 1849 in South Russia and emigrated to the United States in 1889 from Russia. She reached the age of 65 years and 24 days. She had lived for the past 13 months in Aberdeen, SD, where she also departed from this life. She leaves behind her 66 year old husband, my father Siegfried Sahli, 5 sons and 1 daughter. Four of the sons are married and one son, 18 years old, is still single. The daughter is married also, to Peter Buckmeier. She also leaves 20 grandsons and 2 granddaughters. Of the brothers and sisters she leaves one brother Joseph Kreitel and one sister Marianna, married to Jakob Eberle. 3 brothers and 3 sisters preceded the deceased in death. May eternal light shine upon her and may she rest in peace! ----- Original Message ----- From: John Sahli To: JM_on_GR_G Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 2:15 AM Subject: Re: Gauer to SAHLI Thanks for this interesting snippet. Now I'll be trying to figure out more about it. John Sahli JM_on_GR_G wrote: John i thought U might appreciate the following snippet i found in a letter: ""Valentin Mack did indeed arrive in Vibank, Saskatchewan, Canada, at the home of his brother-in-law, Georg Sahli. I received a letter from him saying that he brought four neckerchiefs for my wife and daughter as a present from my brother-in-law Alois Mack. "" The letter was written in April 1914 by Jos. Gauer from Craven, South Dakota

Every so often i see messages from people who are exploring GR roots that run from or via the former Prussian area of what is now Poland. Here are some maps that may help people do a lil "orienteering"... They are especially useful, as they give a clear indication of the "centres of gravity" by "religious marker". http://www.tr62.de/maps/po-ev.html http://www.tr62.de/maps/po-cath.html http://www.tr62.de/maps/po-jews.html Thomas Rueffer has done an outstanding job on these!

John i thought U might appreciate the following snippet i found in a letter: ""Valentin Mack did indeed arrive in Vibank, Saskatchewan, Canada, at the home of his brother-in-law, Georg Sahli. I received a letter from him saying that he brought four neckerchiefs for my wife and daughter as a present from my brother-in-law Alois Mack. "" The letter was written in April 1914 by Jos. Gauer from Craven, South Dakota

Researching: FRANZ,FELSINGER,BELLER,HAACK from Krassnoyar,Saratov/Samara FROESCHER,KOEHLER,GERBERSHAGEN,ARNHOLD from Taurida and Crimea JATON from Bessarabia and North Caucasia -- Best regards, Chutchev Vladimir,Togliatty city,Samara,Russia mailto:ulu_dimir@mail.ru

----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Grosz Olsen" <christine@actual-eng.com> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: [HERmitAGE] Grosz & Gross families and relations > My great grandfather is JOHN J. GROSZ, born 1867 in Kulm, Germany; died > 1924 in McClusky, South Dakota. (Family lore says his "sz" spelling was > changed from "ss" by immigration officials due to a thick accent.) His > parents were JOHN and CHRISTINE (GACKLE) GROSZ. JOHN J. GROSZ married > LYDIA GROSS, born 1868 in Russia; died 1955 in McClusky, South Dakota. > Lydia's parents were DANIEL and JUSTINE (DIEDRICK) GROSS. Daniel died in > 1917. Justine lived c. 1855-1930. > > Other great-great grandparents are FRIEDRICH JAHRAUS (1839-1934) and his > wife ELLANORA HEINRICHSON (1845-1903), both born in Russia. A son, WILLIAM > JAHRAUS, was born in Yankton County, South Dakota in 1885. > > WILLIAM JAHRAUS married CHRISTINA KRUEG (1891-1970). Her parents were JOHN > KRUEG (1857-1919) and wife MARGARETHA WAGNER (1857-1920), both born in the > Ukraine, Russia. > > These folks were among the Germans who settled in Russia prior to > emmigration to the Dakotas. Any connections? > > Thanks. > > -------------- > Christine Grosz Olsen > Christine@actual-eng.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Grosz Olsen" <christine@actual-eng.com> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:47 PM Subject: [HERmitAGE] Roll Call: South Dakota settlers > Roll Call: > > GROSZ > GROSS > ZAHN > GACKLE > HEIER > BOCKDIEDRICK > DALLMAN > JAHRAUS > HEINRICHSON > KRUEG > WAGNER > > The families of GROSZ, GROSS, GACKLE, JAHRAUS, KRUEG and WAGNER settled in > the Dakotas. > -------------- > Christine Grosz Olsen > Christine@actual-eng.com > >

I forgot the villages in my previous post. The names I am looking for are: GALL - Worms - Hoffenheim, Baden HOLZWARTH - Worms - Hilsbach, Sinsheim, Baden LAGGE(LAKAY) - Worms - Langen, Rhine MEYER(MAIER) - Worms - Edenkoben, Pfalz SCHOLL - Worms - Graben, Baden SONDEREGGER - Worms - France? TRAUTMAN(N) - Rohrbach - Hoffenheim, Baden Ila, According to Karl Stumpp's book, my Holzwarths came from Hilsbach, but I have found some Holzwarth's from Hoffnungstahl as sponsors for Gall births in Worms. Donna Mazur Kamloops, BC

The names I am researching are : GRABOWSKI FEIN MORITZ BRAUN CLAASSEN THIESSEN TEICHROEB JANSSEN KETLER Regards, ~malinda

The names I am looking for are: GALL HOLZWARTH LAGGE(LAKAY) MEYER (MAIER) SCHOLL SONDEREGGER TRAUTMAN(N) Donna Mazur Kamloops. BC

After the redirect the new URL will show up in your browser window. U can then take a new bookmark/favourite... and go from there. I'm surprised to learn that people would still go to the "motherpage" rather than the new URL. The minute a redirect is done, i make it my business to "record" and incorporate the new URL. That way i don't waste any time or resources, either here, or "there", eh! When a website is "unavailable" it is generally a good idea to try it somewhat later or for that matter find a work-around... For instance, googling for "Odessa Digital Library" will drop the following in your lap like a ripe plum: ""Odessa Digital Library The Odessa Digital Library is a searchable collection of digitized books, indices, and documents that supports research concerning the Germanic Russians. ... www.odessa3.org/ - "" See: www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Odessa+Digital+Library%22&btnG=Goog le+Search&meta= ----- Original Message ----- From: "FISHER,JOY R" <jfisher@ucla.edu> To: <GR-GENEALOGY@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [GR-GENEALOGY] Odessa Library > Actually pixel.cs.vt.edu was NOT on-line last night, which was the reason > for my posting in the first place. > > I knew there was a re-direct, but didn't have the address of odessa. > > Quoting JM_on_GR_G <JM_on_GR_genealogy@telus.net>: > > > From: "Valerie Ingram" <val@pegasusmedia.com> > > > The "pixel" isn't the pixel anymore...it's now ODESSA3 !! > > > > > > Actually that is not at all correct!!! > > > > Roger Ehrich still has THE PIXEL website > > at http://pixel.cs.vt.edu > > which STILL contains a WORKING link > > to the DIGITAL LIBRARY! >

From: "Valerie Ingram" <val@pegasusmedia.com> > The "pixel" isn't the pixel anymore...it's now ODESSA3 !! Actually that is not at all correct!!! Roger Ehrich still has THE PIXEL website at http://pixel.cs.vt.edu which STILL contains a WORKING link to the DIGITAL LIBRARY! But THAT library now lives at a different address... and those users who were used to going to that address directly, by bypassing Roger's main entrance at the "pixel page", will have discovered that they will now get "forwarded" < i think in six seconds" to the new home of the "digital library"... > To suggest otherwise shows a misunderstanding of what happened here... It also a mistake to (keep) refer(ing) to the Digital Library "Odessa " as "the pixel"... "Pixel" is the name of Roger's homepage! And "Odessa" is now (also) described as: "A German-Russian Genealogical Library" I love the new "graphic" on the mainpage of the Odessa Digital Library, as it is less "denominational"... Now as an aside it is unfortunate however, that not all of the former "direct entry points" in this system have been adjusted accordingly. For instance, i always DIRECTLY go to the SEARCH capability - yes, i still do - but with the move of the pages to www.odessa3.org i have had to adjust my "Favorites"/"Bookmarks" to now refer to www.odessa3.org/search.html And so it goes... Perhaps Roger will consider putting in the automatic forwarding features at the former direct entry points also... Meanwhile my complimemts to Roger and his gang for the continuing improvements in the "Odessa" system! Jay Meeuwig CC: rehrich@vt.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Ingram" <val@pegasusmedia.com> To: <GR-GENEALOGY@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [GR-GENEALOGY] Odessa Library > Hi Joy... > > The "pixel" isn't the pixel anymore...it's now ODESSA3 !! > > http://www.odessa3.org/ > > val;) > > Date sent: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:29:43 -0700 > Send reply to: "FISHER,JOY R" <jfisher@ucla.edu> > From: "FISHER,JOY R" <jfisher@ucla.edu> > Subject: [GR-GENEALOGY] Odessa Library > To: GR-GENEALOGY@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU > > > What has become of > > > > http://pixel.cs.vt.edu > > > > ???

Researching; Steinmetz village Dietel Kock village Dietel Becker village Kukkus Gary

Note: The text below appears at this website page: www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc/outreach/friends/giesinger3.html Dr. Adam Giesinger has been added to the "Special Friends" section of the Germans from Russia Heritage Collection, NDSU Libraries, Fargo, at: www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc/outreach/friends/index.htm Dr. Giesinger was born on 6 February 1909 and died on 5 June 2004. He is the author of these books: "From Catherine to Khrushchev: The Story of Russia's Germans", 1974, 443 pages www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc/order/general/giesinger.html "The Way It Was: A Family Hitory and Autobiography", 1992, 466 pages www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc/order/general/giesinger1.html ___________________________ My Interest in Family History - How It Began and Developed By Dr. Adam Giesinger, Winnipeg, Manitoba 1917 - This was the year of the Russian Revolution, which received much newspaper publicity and much discussion among our people. I was 8 years old and had just started school. I didn't know much English yet, but had mastered a set of four German readers before I started school. I still have the four books in my library. 1918 - The year of the end of the war and of the "flu" which killed people all over the world. I was 9 years old. l didn't contract the flu, but I got a crush on a history of the world war that appeared early in 1919. I pestered my father to buy me a copy, which he did. He warned me, however, that there were a lot of lies about German in it, but he let me read it, with the warning not to believe everything that is printed in books. This book had much information about the Russian revolution and the seizure of power by the Bolsheviks. It also had a lot of good pictures, including the sinking of the German ship that brought my grandfather and his family to America in 1900. I still have this book in my library. 1923 - The year when grandma received a letter from her sister in Selz, with much sad news about family sufferings and deaths during the war and revolution and a famine then existing among them. Grandma sent her sister a food parcel and we received word later that it got there. This contact with the family in Russia was the first since before the war in 1914. There were a few more letters, then Stalin clamped down on letters to the western world. I now have copies of some of the letters grandma received then. 1924 - The year grandma died. She was only 59 years old, much loved by her children and grandchildren, who assembled for a large family gathering at and after her funeral. Much reminiscing about the history of the family! Never again after this did I see all my uncles, aunts and cousins assembled at one place. I was 15 years old. Many years later I wrote a book in memory of grandma entitled, "My Grandmother's People." 1928 - The year when Stalin announced the Five Year Plan. This plan took all land, farm equipment, farm animals, and other valuables from individuals and made them state property. The plan was enforced through a reign of terror, which brought death or long terms in concentration camps to thousands of our German relatives in Russia. I was then 19 years old, attending college in Regina. Our newspapers were filled with horror stories from Russia. 1936 - The year grandfather died, at 75 years of age. I couldn't make it to his funeral. I was teaching in a rural school in northern Saskatchewan far from home, I had no car, the weather was wintery. The next summer I saw some of the interesting papers he left behind, some of which I later made copies. Of most interest to me was his passport from Russia, which described him as Ambros, son of Adam. This is where I first saw recorded the name of this great-grandfather, whose name I inherited. 1945-1950 - This post-war period brought us the first news of the fate of the Germans who had still lived before the war in the Black Sea and Volga regions of Russia, the deportations of many to concentration camps in Asiatic Russia and the repatriation of others to Germany. About 1950 many German-Russian refugees began to arrive in Canada and the United States. Now we began to hear first-hand stories of the tragic wartime events. 1958 - This was the year when I made my first contact with Dr. Stumpp. I saw a copy of the Heimatbuch der Deutschen aus Russland and wrote to the editor about subscribing to it. The editor was Dr. Stumpp. In his reply he told me that he had a census list from Mannheim, which listed a Jacob Giesinger among the founders. Might this be my ancestor? There was no doubt in my mind that he was, since both my grandfather and my father were born in Mannheim. What others were between this Jacob and us, we did not know, but we were excited about hearing about him. I now know that this Jacob was my grandfather's grandfather, but my grandfather had not known him nor of him. He had died many years before my grandfather was born. 1960 - This was an era of research in books I borrowed from libraries in Germany. This research resulted in 1974 in the publication of my book, From Catherine to Khrushchev, The Story of Russia's Germans. Permission to use any images from the GRHC website may be requested by contacting Michael M. Miller The Libraries North Dakota State University [P.O. Box 5599] 1201 Albrecht Blvd. Fargo, ND 58105-5599 tel - 701.231.8416 | 701.231.7138 - fax Comments Michael M. Miller Site design WL Gardner Web site developer Website Michael M. Miller, Bibliographer Germans from Russia Heritage Collection (GRHC) North Dakota State University Libraries P.O. Box 5599 Fargo, ND 58105-5599 USA Tel: 701-231-8416 E-mail: Michael.Miller@ndsu.nodak.edu Germans from Russia Heritage Collection Website: http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc Personal Home Page: http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/grhc/biography.html

My mother's father's booklet on the prophecies of Sibylla XXXIII has been copied to my web site. It is 40 pages and in German.... Far as I know, I have the only original booklet in the USA. And, I thought it best to share with all of you this historical booklet. His grandmother Christine, nee Roedel, Stehr [Stahr/ Staar], who was b. in Wu. in 1808, carried it with her in 1816/1817 from Wu. to Russian Caucasus where the authorizes stopped their group. Because of trouble along the Turkish border they were not allowed to continue their trek to the holy mountain where they had hope to witness the Second Coming of Christ.... In time she and others would continue their journey to the Holy Lands. They didn't return to Wu. but many settled in Russia. Christine would migr. to Beresina in Bess. . It can be found at my directory: http://www.remmick.org remmick@aol.com

Hello Neal - I am the Village Coordinator for Mariental, and maybe we could swap have information on the surnames you mentioned. Please contact me. Thelma Mills ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Finn" <neal.finn@telusplanet.net> To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 11:23 AM Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] Roll Call > My families and areas of interest are: > > HERMANN and GERBER from Mariental > > STREITENBERGER, WEIMAN, WALLDER and BALL (BAHL) from Kamenka > > > ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== > Information about the GermanRussian Mailing List is at > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/RUS/GermanRussian.html > >