Forwarded: [ Messages are to be posted to [email protected] ] ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellen To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 2:48 PM Subject: Wentz/Weickum I am researching WENTZ/WENZ, WEICKUM/WEIKUM/WEIGUM. Both families were in Worms area. According to the 1858 Worms census there were four brothers. There are also other Wenz's in other colonies nearby and I am trying to connect (if any) and find their parents, when and where they came from. I have looked at the pixel, the Stumpp book and other information. Can anyone help? Ellen

Hi, One of things that I discovered when extracting the Germans from Russia form the 1920 U.S. Federal Census for Weld County, Colorado was the following populations amoung the different Ethnic groups. These are the top 10 ethnic groups based on observations from going through the entire census. 1. Germans from Russia 2. Swedes 3. Mexicans 4. Germans 5. Japanese 6. English 7. Belgians 8. Norwegians 9. Irish 10. Bulgarians Thanks, Gene Jenkins

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [GV] Boulder County 1920 census index now online From: Patrice Miller <[email protected]> To: [email protected] It took Gene Jenkins only 2 days to extract the 525 German-Russians in Boulder county, Colorado. This includes the towns of Boulder, Longmont and Highland. You can view this census index at: http://www.webbitt.com/volga/ click on the link that says census indexes. If you have any questions or comments Gene can be reached at: [email protected] Patrice Miller

Heiznbuch, Christine 8 Aug 1867 Neu Freudental Heinrich Johanna Bader 1884091/3 591 35 From Neuburg, PBN:74 COMPARE: : Freudental Births Heimbuch, Johannes 16 Sep 1862 Rosenfeld Heinrich/Johanna Bader 1884095/3 133 23 From Neuburg Heimbuch, Johanna 9 May 1865 Neu Freudental Heinrich/Johanna Bader 1884087/2 5 19 From Neuburg, PBN:74 Heimbuch, Christine 8 Aug 1867 Neu Freudental Heinrich/Johanna Bader 1884091/3 586 35

: Bessarabian Births, 187x Ahner, Johannes 19 Jul 1879 Sophiental Johannes Wedmeier, Barbara 1895629/1 895 13 should be Ahner, Johannes 19 Jul 1879 Sophiental Johannes Widmeier, Barbara 1895629/1 895 13 or Ahner, Johannes 19 Jul 1879 Sophiental Johannes Wiedmeier, Barbara 1895629/1 895 13 also compare: : Freudental Birth Records, 187x Ahner, Friderika 4 Dec 1871 Sophienthal Jost/ Barbara Widmaier 1884125/2 703 13 From Grossliebental Ahner, Sofia 13 Apr 1876 Sophienthal, Benkendorf Johannes/ Barbara Widmaier 1884070/1 846 6 From Grossliebental and: : Grossliebental Marriage Records, 185x (D. Wahl). . . . . . . Ahner, Jost 22 Nov 1856 Grossliebental Wiedmaier, Barbara 1884100/2 117 45

In trying to find "variants" of names i often find it useful to do a "scan for <the trailing> part" of a family name**... Say U need SAUTER as a name, well search for "_auter", and Bauter / Lauter / Rauter / Sauter etc. will be "hit" and the fun can begin... Once U find a "suspect" it's best to do some compares to data that may exists about the same people. Many databases contain more than one record for a particular family unit In many of the ERRATUM / ERRATA posts i have done , i have also provided the "correct" records for the names in question.* At this point i would like to encourage others who have found "variants" to share that information with the list members By posting BOTH , or multiple variants , U will make it easier for other researchers , who will also be able to "connect" * Generally i have tried to put the associated < and hopefully correct > records under "COMPARE: " ..... ** Partial scans are not always easy, and some trial and error may be needed to find something that will work for U! NOTE: It used to be possible to do ALL partial <trailing included!> scans directly on yODL(***) , but since the database has become an indexed database this is no longer possible. HOWEVER, U can always download an entire file from yODL to a local computer and then proceed to use "editting" or "browsing" tools that can help locate information in these files, thus locating data which otherwise may be "lost" to U! *** ye Odessa Digital Library ... Hope that this helps and clarifies a few things, ;j.

Lyle, : Bessarabian Birth Ahner, Christina 11 Oct 1863 Sophienthal Just & Witmaier, Barbara 1884099/3 219 20 pb 8 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please note: there is also a "tribe" of WITTMAYERs / WITTMAIERs or WITTMEIERs in/from the Glueckstal Colonies / Kirchspiel. As far as i can tell they are not related to the ALEXANDERHILF WIDMAIERs < who, later, are found in Bessarabia as well > I have put together some of the information that's available on yODL =============================== : GR Passengers in GRHS Publications < All from RUSSIA ; destinations unknown > 00467 Werra 18-Oct-1884 New York, NY 00467 WITTMAIER Johann 23 (1) 00467 WITTMAIER Catherina 20 00467 WITTMAIER Catherina 4 (2) 00474 Ems 16-May-1885 New York, NY 00474 WITTMAYER Simon 55 00474 WITTMAYER Christ 49 00474 WITTMAYER Rosine 21 (a) 00474 WITTMAYER Elis. 19 00474 WITTMAYER Karlina 17 00474 WITTMAYER Gottlieb 10 (b) 00474 WITTMAYER Christian 7 (c) 00474 WITTMAYER Catherine 1/12 : Glueckstal Marriage Records, 185x Wittmaier, Simon & Unruh, Christina 24 Nov 1853 Glueckstal 1883188/2 421 38 (a) *Wittmaier, Rosina 7 Apr 1864 Neu Cassel f: Simon Wittmaier 1884123/4 58 97 (d) *Wittmeier, Barbara 30 Nov 1868 Gluecksthal f: Simon W. 1883409/2 461 118 (b) *Wittmeier, Gottlieb 4 Jul 1871 Glucksthal f: Simon 1884125/2 534 61 (c) *Wittmeier, Christian 3 Jul 1876 Glucksthal f: Simon 1884070/1 626 63 (1)see: : Glueckstal Birth Records, 186x *Wittmeier, Johann 27 Jan 1861 Kleineudorf# Johann Wittmeier 1884094/2 211 87 # s/b KleinNeudorf : Glueckstal Births and Marriages, 1833-1900 *Johann p:Wittmaier, Johann & Retzer, Katharina 27 Jan 1861 Klein-Neudorf 1884094-2-211-087 (2)see: : Glueckstal Births and Marriages, 1833-1900 Wittmaier, Johann & Lippert, Catharina --- marriage --- 23 Nov 1883 Glueckstal 1895615-2-178-042 *Katharina p:Wittmaier, Johann & Lippert, Katharina 30 May 1884 Glueckstal 1895616-3-140-060

More info Art, abt Peter KOeNIG descendants; < note the interesting change of name for Karoline / Carrie / Colleen Leischner / Leishner > i want to acknowledge the help i had from Kathy Clark in getting this LEHR information: John A. Koenig was born April 3, 1880, in Kulm, Bessarabia, South Russia. He was the son of Peter & Colleen (Leishner) Koenig. The Peter Koenig family came to America in the late 1880's perhaps 1893, and settled in Kulm, ND, where Peter was a grain buyer. John took various jobs including setting type for the Kulm Messenger. Peter and Colleen had a total of thirteen children born, eight of which were still living according to the census of 1900. John was united in marriage to Rose Essig, on February 5, 1906, who was the daughter of John and Charlotte (Bauer) Essig. Their six children are: Clara, married to William Remien, Edwin, married Cordelia Blilie, Johnnie married to Marie Lautt, Hulda married to Gust Fiechtner, Barbara married to Henry Gackle, and Lawrence married to DeLores Oelke. Edwin died May 28, 1992, Johnnie died March 11, 1986. John Koenig settled in the King Territory, which is approximately twelve miles northeast of Lehr, as a farmer. He was very active in the community and served as assessor for many, many years and was also a member of the school board of the Hillsboro District. The Koenig's were members of the King Lutheran Church. John served the church as organist and was also a Lay Sermon Reader. Farming was not very profitable in the early years and it was very difficult to make a living. In the late 1920's he became ill with what was diagnosed as a boil on his lung and after several operations and many days spent in the hospital he died on Jan. 30, 1931, leavings a young widow with six children to carry on. The two older boys took over the farm and the rest of the family went their separate ways. Lawrence and his mother, Rose, ended up in Lehr. In 1944, Rose moved to Kulm where she lived until she decided to enter a retirement home. She spent some time in various homes including Wishek, LaMoure, Edgeley and Ellendale. She died June 28, 1982.

Hi Art, U r in luck, for i have them in my database*, I have a marriage as follows: Koenig, Peter ~ Leischner, Karoline 4 Jan 1863 Tarutino < Kirchspiel > and recently have added the Kulm book info; here comes: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KOENIG, PETER & CARRIE (Leischner) { Kulm 1892-1957 History Book; #143 } Peter Koenig was born near Odessa, Russia, in 1845. He married Carrie Leischner in Russia. Their family included the following children: Mary, Amelia, Alfred, Otto, William, Rudolph, Arthur and John. They came to this country in the summer of 1886, and settled soon afterwards in Kulm, N.D., where Mr. Koenig taught music and did private tutoring in the German language. He was well educated and in Russia was a professor in city schools. He was a member of the Lutheran Church and active in church affairs. The family later moved to a farm north of Lehr. The postoffice, later discontinued, bore the name of King, having been named after Mr. Koenig. He died in April of 1909, his wife died in January of 1905. Their youngest son Johnny, worked in Kulm for a period of time, setting type for the Kulm Messenger and also worked in the Drug Store. He moved to the King settlement** also, where he died in January of 1931. Mrs. Rose Koenig, widow of Johnny, now resides in Kulm. Grandchildren of Peter Koenig new living in this vicinity are: Art Koenig, Bismarck; John Koenig, Beulah; Mrs. Gust Fiechtner, Lehr; Mrs. William Remien, Kulm; Mrs. Henry Gackle, Kulm; Edwin Koenig, Kulm and Lawrence Koenig, Kulm. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Which names are U interested in Art < Koenig | Leischner ? > ? * i have a different date though for Peter's b'date; would be very interested in comparing notes! There is also another researcher who is interested in these folks i think, as some ended up in LEHR... I have CC-ed her < Kathy Clark > . I believe that Johnny who is mentioned above died in LEHR as well... I believe he was married to Rose nee ESSIG... and have information for them as well... <Will make separate posts for that!> ** is 12 miles NE of Lehr. Hope this helps... ;j. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] KULM history index.... part 3/4: K-N What do you have on #143 Koenig, Peter & Carrie (Leischner) ? Thanks Art [email protected]

Forwarded..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janzen, Tim" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 3:08 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} RE: [GERmanRUSsian] More on Neuenburg...; was: KEMNITZ > Dear All, > Neuenburg was one of the original villages in the Chortitza Colony which > was settled in 1789. It seems likely that it was named for Neuenburg, > Prussia as a number of the other Chortitza Colony villages such as Einlage, > Neuendorf, Osterwick, Schoeneberg, and Schoenhorst were also apparently > named after villages in Prussia. > Sincerely, > Tim Janzen > 12367 SE Ridgecrest Rd. > Portland, OR 97236 > E-mail: [email protected] > Mennonite genealogy resources web site: > http://www.pacinter.net/users/janzen/ > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ÷j. [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 5:24 PM > To: ÷j.; [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] More on Neuenburg...; was: KEMNITZ > > > Likewise more in: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/M/MENNO-ROO > TS+2000+126239432+F > Subject: [MENNO] microfilm available of Chortitza and Molotschna Colony > materials for the early 1800's > > > Is there a connection between Neuenburg S.Russia and Neuenburg Prussia? > > ;j. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "÷j." <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 9:10 PM > Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] More on Neuenburg...; was: KEMNITZ > > > > Hello Joanne, > > By a fluke , i came across another Neuenburg; > > this one in S.Russia... > > It's mentioned in a post by Tim Janzen. See: > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/M/MENNO-ROO > > TS+2001+116224902+F > > Subject: [MENNO] 1920 Chortitza Colony census and other items in the > > Zaporozhye Archive microfilms, > ..................snipped......> > >

..........see previous part 202. OGDEN, ARTHUR E. & MATIE (Kenegy) 203. OGREN, ERICK & MARIA (Jonathan) 204. OGREN, GOTTFRED & ARIZONA (Malm) 205. OGREN, HUGO ALEXIUS & KATHERINE (Davidson) 206. OGREN, JOHN & TILDA (Malm) 207. OLSON, OLOF & EVA (Holm) 208. ORGEN, RUDOLPH and Maria Nelson then Augusta Johnson 209. OSTROM, CARL & ANNA (Wicklund) 210. PATZER, DANIEL & CHRISTINA (Friemuth) 211. PRUETZ, CHARLES & BARBARA (Buechler) 212. PRUETZ, SHARPE & MABEL (Willard) 213. RADKE, JOHN and Karolina Mund then Rebecca Siegler 214. RALL, RAYMOND & IDA (Pitt) 215. RATH, CHRIST & LYDIA (Gutschmidt) 216. RATH, JOHN and first wife then Mrs. Chris Zundel 217. ROEDEL, ANDREW <SDA> 218. ROEDEL, JACOB & EVA (Nill) 219. ROEDEL, P. & MAGDALENA (Sperling) 220. ROLOFF, DANIEL & LOUISE (Radke) 221. ROLOFF, NATHANIEL & LYDIA (Bader) 222. ROTT, JOHN & EVA (Rott) 223. SANDAU, GOTTLIEB & FREDERICKA (Ilgner) 224. SCHLENKER, FREDERICK & PAULINE (Weszner) 225. SCHLENKER, GOTTLIEB & KATHERINE (Maier) 226. SCHLENKER, HENRY Jr. & CAROLINA (Sherbinski) 227. SCHOTT, PETER & LYDIA (Siewert) 228. SCHREIOCH, HENRY 229. SCHULDHEISZ, DANIEL & IDA (Diegel) 230. SCHULDHEISZ, JACOB & CHRISTINA (Hehr) 231. SCHULZ, NATHANAEL and Malvine Freitag then Emilie Kuehn 232. SEMPEL, ALICE (Mrs. E.D. Miller) and Otto Groh then E.D. Miller 233. SEMPEL, JOHN & HILMA (Zachrison) 234. SHARPE, JAMES 235. SHULDHEISZ, JOHN & ANNA (Stehr) 236. SIEWERT, ANDRES & LOUISE (Dickhoff) 237. SIEWERT, JOHN & MATHILDA (Mueller) 238. SMITH, ADOLPH & IDA (Nill) 239. SMITH, GUSTAF & WILHELMINA (Lundquist) 240. SMITH, J. & BARBARA (Buechler) 241. SMITH, JEAN & ANNA (Hiom) then Mrs. Barbara Pruetz 242. SPERLING, JOHN & LOUISE (Tiede) 243. SPLINTER, E. & CARRIE (Weller) 244. STAECK, FRED & KATHARINA (Schlenker) 245. STAECK, WILLIAM & EMMA (Schuldheisz) 246. STEEN, CHRISTIAN and Mrs. ... 247. STEEN, LUDWIG & LAURA (Larson) 248. STROBEL, FREDRICK & ROSINA (Kuhn) 249. TELLBERG, JOHN & IDA (Lysell) 250. TEMPLIEN, MICHAEL & ADELINE (Diesing) 251. THORESON, GUSTOV & RAGNHILD (Tenold) 252. TJERNLUND, CARL & ALICE (Johnson) 253. TJERNLUND, JOHN and Eva Christine Karlson then Mathilda Malmberg 254. TJERNLUND, PETER & VIOLA (Bodien) 255. TURNQUIST, JOHN & EVELINA (Olson) 256. WALKER, BALTHASER & BARBARA (Bertsch) 257. WARE, ANNIE and Mr. Albert Riese then C.W. Ware 258. WARNER, RAYMOND and Mrs. ... 259. WENDLAND, JACOB & ROSINA (Welk) 260. WENDLAND, OTTO & CLARA (Rath) 261. WILKEN, WILLIAM & HULDA (Scheidt) 262. WINSBERG, JENS 263. WIRCH, JOHN Sr. & MARY (Tileman) 264. WIRCH, JOHN Jr. & ROSINA (Nies) 265. WOEHL, PHILIP and Christina Rott then Rosina Baetch 266. WOLFF, ALBERT & ANNA (Hoffman) 267. WOLFF, WILLIAM & TILLIE (Gackle) 268. ZELLMER, C. & MARY (Dittus)

..........see previous part 137. KELLER, DAVID & EMELIA (Keck) 138. KELLER, HENRY Sr. & EMELIA (Steinwand) 139. KINZLER, FRED & EMMA (Ruff) 140. KJOS, ELLING & ANNA (Mathisen) 141. KLETTKE, REINHOLD & MARTHA (Kalmbach) 142. KNOPP, GOTTFRIED & ROSINA (Reiman) 143. KOENIG, PETER & CARRIE (Leischner) 144. KONRAD, DAVID and Theresa Mogck , then Mrs. Ida Bader 145. KONRAD, JOSEPH & ROSINA (Kist) 146. KREIS, FRED & CHRISTINA (Reimann) 147. KUHN, CHRISTOPH & KAROLINA (Hauff) 148. KUHN, GOTTFRIED & OLGA (Keller) 149. KURTZ, PETER & MARIE (Fischer) 150. KURTZ, RYNOLD & SELMA (Hille) 151. KUSLER, EDWARD & CAROLINA (Mayer) 152. KUSLER, JOHN & MARGALENA (Grosz) 153. KUSLER, WILLIE & MAGDALENE (Oelke) 154. LAEGER, AUGUST & HELENA (Hildebrand) 155. LAEGER, CARL & FRIEDERIKA (Hilscher) 156. LANGE, GOTTLIEB & LOUISE (Stehr) 157. LANGE, OSCAR & MYRTLE (Young) 158. LANGE, WILLIAM & ALICE (Brandt) 159. LARSEN, FRED & ELSIE (Brine) 160. LARSEN, JAMES and Mrs. Larsen 161. LARSEN, NELS & MARGARET (Whitman) 162. LARSON, BERNT and Maren ... 163. LARSON, ELMER & OLGA (Grunberg) 164. LARSON, ERICK & KATARINA (Pehrson) 165. LARSON, GUSTOV & AMANDA (Backstrom) 166. LEMKE, ADAM and Christina Lutke, then Justina Brenneise 167. LINDBLOM, ANDERS & ELIZABETH (Holm) 168. LINDGREN, ANTON and Mrs. ... 169. LINDGREN, CARL J. and Mrs. ... 170. LINDGREN, JACOB & MATHILDA (Lindblom) 171. LINDGREN, NELS & MAGGIE (Malm) 172. LINDGREN, OSCAR & HALFRID (Smith) 173. LINDGREN, PETER & BETSY (Erickson) 174. LUNDGREN, SIGNAR & JENNIE (Lundstrom) 175. LUNDSTROM, PETER & ELIZABETH (Holm) 176. MALIN, ASA & LILLIE (Bowlus) 177. MALM, DANIEL & MARIA (Lundstrom) 178. MALM, OTTO and Mrs. ... 179. MCSWEENEY, LONA (Grosz) 180. MELICHER, JOHN & MARY (Fiel) 181. MILLER, GOTTLIEB and Mrs. ... 182. MILLER, JOHN & CHRISTINA (Esslinger) 183. MOGCK, CHRIST & KATHERINE (Jenner) 184. MOGCK, CHRISTIAN & ANNA MARIE (Miller) 185. MONTANEY, GEORGE and a Dakota girl ... 186. MUELLER, ALBERT & ADELINE (Miller) 187. MUELLER, DAVID Sr. & ELISABETHA (Neumann) 188. MUELLER, JOHN and Minnie Mueller 189. MUND, GOTTHILF & ANN (Munsch) 190. MUNDT, JACOB & KATHERINE (Reich) 191. NETZ, DANIEL & MARIA (Keller) 192. NILL, CHRIST & MARV (Herman) 193. NILL, GEORGE & KAROLENA (Lemke) 194. NILL, JACOB & FREDEREKA (Hille) 195. NILSEN, ANDREAS & KJIRSTI (Kjos) 196. NORDEN, ANTON & ALMA (Erickson) 197. NORDEN, CARL & ANNA LOUISA (Anderson) 198. NORDSTROM, ERICK & EVA (Nilson) 199. NOREN, ZACHARIAS & MATHILDE (Lundmark) 200. NORGREN, ANTON and Augusta 201. NYLAND, GUSTAV ..........see next part 268. ZELLMER, C. & MARY (Dittus)

Curt, here is the info U requested: Looks like it was KLOeSTITZ for this Keller. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 137. KELLER, DAVID & EMELIA (Keck) [picture] Mr. and Mrs. David Keller, together with his father and mother, the late John and Maria Keller, his brothers Reinhold and Henry came to America from Klostitz [Kloestitz], South Russia in 1905. In May 1905, they came to Kulm where they bought land. They stayed with friends until a small home was completed. In 1906, David Keller and his family moved onto their own place which is now the home of Henry S. Keller. Mr. Keller was married to Emelia Keck in 1898. Six children were born to this union all of whom are living. They are: Robert of Kulm; Clara, Kulm; Anna, Mrs. Herbert Mogck, Kulm; Emma, Mrs. Ed Kusler, Jamestown, N.D.; Henry, Kulm; and Ida, Mrs. Henry Carlson, Jud, N.D. Mrs. Keller passed away February 6, 1934. Mr. Keller continued to farm with the help of his children until 1942 when he moved into Kulm and lived here until his death on May 9, 1955. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Does that match? ;j. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] KULM history index.... part 3/4: K- J What might be given about origin for the Kellers on page 137? Keller and Keck are Güldendorf names. Curt.

Go ahead, bring on yer names and places... and i will see where we can go from there! ;j. ----- Original Message ----- From: "koeppels1" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] VARIATIONS: > Hi, Is there any chance you would help me in finding my people?

Hello Bonnie, I know from reading historical accounts that some of the folks who went to the Caucasus had orginially "settled" in S.Russia... They joined the trek when the folks who were destined to Jerusalem < YES! Jerusalem! > got stuck in the Odessa Region...before moving on. Quite an interesting story!!! As to the HUMMELs in Caucasus;, yes, i'm aware of them.. ( Theodore and co. > They don't appear to be related to "our clan" though, who were originally in NEUBURG... I'm not aware of WIDMAIERs in that area.... but that's not to say they could not be related.... "Our" WIDMAIERs started in ALEXANDERHILF... and scattered from there. There are very clear connections to Bessarabia for instance. Sophienthal/Sophiental < Widmaier women married Ahner; Berg; Daffe; Maas Widmaier men married Bischof; Schmidt; Torno; Wacker; Zweigle > etc. ... ;j. Bcc: Lyle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Anderson" <[email protected]> To: "÷j." <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] WIDMAIER connections via 1858 Alexanderhilf & Neuburg Census material > Hi, Jay, > > In your research--especially with the Hummel and Widmaier families--do you > have indications of any of your ancestors migrating to the Caucasus? > > Regards, > > Bonnie Anderson > > AHSGR/GRHS Village Coordinator: > Johannesdorf and Karlsruhe - N. Cauc.; > Katharinenfeld - S. Cauc.; > GRHS Caucasus Coordinator > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "÷j." <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:55 PM > Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] WIDMAIER connections via 1858 Alexanderhilf & > Neuburg Census material ..........................................> > > > © JWMeeuwig, 2001- > > Researching: HUMMEL; ROTH; SAUTER; WIDMAIER

Howdy folks, I have had a request for clarification on the "raison d'etre" of the ERRATA. Way way back, i believe, i did some posts explaining the intent. It is ment to assist researchers in finding "associated" data. Frequently misinterpretations of original records will lead to information being overlooked, as search engines won't "hit" the <mis-spelled?> variation of the name one is looking for. Let me repost a message i sent last April in response to Susan Ferrill's lament about having missed data due to various errors:; Susan wrote: "One will have to be more than averagely creative to try to figure out how to find their ancestors at times, I am afraid. " ..... I promised in my note: "... have a truckload more... Stay tuned! " ... Well i have tried to keep my word! ;j. PSt More in a follow-up note... Bcc: Susan;Connie ~~~~~~~~~~~~ here's the re-post~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] ERRATA; was: Ellis Island Records Errors Susan, it's very good of U to spot these things. Forewarned is forearmed! There is a whole list of systemic errors that researchers should be familiar with. They often relate to the fact that the transcribers have great difficulty discerning letters or protocol in/from the German Script. In addition there was the problem that the clerk may have stabbed at what he/she heard. These situations exist - to my knowledge - in many places. Including our own very useful(!) and comprehensive(!) Odessa Digital Library *. Errors also exists in the Social Security Death Index , etc. etc. But by Georg, am i glad those databases exist!!! And part of the fun in the roots rooting is to find these glitches! At least for me it is! It is simply a mistake for a researcher to expect that THE name will be in the database , the way it "ought to be written". Now instead of getting upset about it , i think a list of "what to watch out for" or better yet also a "list of ERRATA" will be useful. I am working on just such a thing, and will attempt to get this started before too long. Anyone with ideas, WRITE ME! Here are - for starters - a few of the things i'm always looking for: < i'd like to mention that > a) UMLAUTS appear to have been ignored; or at least have not been transcribed as the trailing "e" that is customary. So GRUeBELE is on hand as GRUBELE. b) Double letters such as the "m" in HUMMEL may be written in script as an "m" with a bar; again this gets missed.. Sooo look for HUMEL as well... I have a truckload more... Stay tuned! Jay W. Meeuwig , also on: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/RUS/GermanRussian.html *Check SANDSIEDEL instead of LANDSIEDEL; Check LAUTER instead of SAUTER etc. .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Ferrill" <[email protected]>To: <GR-GENEALOGY> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 2:45 AM Hi everyone... I tend to be a lurker on the list, but I have to speak up now. I have found at least two serious errors that can really impede a researcher's progress. One is the result of the transcriber not being able to read old German script. It is very easy to mistake S's and L's, T's and F's, K's and R's, etc. In one instance (and the site I will mention for both problems is the same--the page for the ship Stuttgart from Bremen; January 25, 1893. I was looking up a name (Jan KRUPOT) which is close to my maiden name--KROPAT), a surname for 4 people was transcribed as LEIDEL, when, in reality, it should be SEIDEL. The German L and S in the case of the person who originally wrote the manuscript are very much alike. I am very used to this kind of script, so it wasn't difficult for me to discern the difference, however, anyone looking at the handwriting will be able to tell the difference. Below the LEIDEL/SEIDEL listing is a name that starts very definitely with an L and then below that is the surname SIMON. One can see the difference there in the penmanship and determine that the L should really be an S in LEIDEL. The other error on the same page is on the text version of the manuscript. The page starts with the late 200's (like 280 or 290) and goes down to about 320 or so. Jan KRUPOT was listed on the text version as being 310, so I went to view 310 on the original manifest and he wasn't there! Neither were the names surrounding his there! So I went back to the text and saw that the numbers 280 or so to about 320 or so were repeated twice on that same page with different names on the lines. I pulled up the enlarged version of the page and made sure that Jan KRUPOT was not on that page. I pulled up the next page and there was a totally different set of names on the page than was on the previous page I pulled up. So..it looks like the original manuscript for Jan KRUPOT is missing or mislabelled or something. I am afraid that if this screw up happened here that this isn't the only screw up involved! Anyone can check up and confirm what I am saying. One will have to be more than averagely creative to try to figure out how to find their ancestors at times, I am afraid. :( I was really saddened to see these problems. Susan Kropat Ferrill This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from http://www.printcharger.com/emailStripper.htm ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== For questions or with comments about this list, contact the list administrator at mailto:[email protected]

Connie, the data comes from different databases: a) Ellis Island Records Org. < eIRO ... > ; start at: http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/default.asp b) ye Odessa Digital Library < yODL ... * > ; start in: search mode: http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/search.html which is part of: http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/content.html Both databases are absolute goldmines for GR researchers; with yODL being of particular interest to GR searchers with interests in S.Russia and Volhynia, as [ the St Petersburg Lutheran Church ] records that were filmed by the LDS Church are by and large indexed there! < Other information exists as well. Too much to mention here ; may i suggest an extended visit to yODL! U will like it! > Btw Connie < and other subscribers > did U post YOUR research interests... getting your names out here may trigger help and other queries as well! < A sorta roll call.. > What else can we do today to help???????? ;)))))))))))))) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ;j. * some refer to this one as "the Pixel", named after the server [node]name "pixel" at http://www.cs.vt.edu which is part of Computer Science at Virginia Tech and is the "website" of Roger W. Ehrich. *** However "the Pixel" at http://pixel.cs.vt.edu contains a lot more than just the [Odessa] Digital Library *** Professor of Computer Science and Electrical Engineering http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/vita.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Pederson" <[email protected]> To: "÷j." <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] VARIATIONS: Staebler / Stuebner / s/b STOeBNER / STEBNER Have noticed several of your postings in this fashion over the last couple of months - but I think I missed something. Now that I found names pertinent to my family research I need to ask - where are these names originating from and what is the significance of the comparison between two sets of data? Connie In search of Mauch and Horning Ancestors ----- Original Message ----- From: "÷j." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2001 5:07 PM Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] VARIATIONS: Staebler / Stuebner / s/b STOeBNER / STEBNER > : Bessarabian Births > Mauch, Friedrich 21 Feb 1835 Alt-Postal Gottlieb > Staebler, Catharina 1882645/2 101 52 Bap: 27 Feb. > Mauch, Johann Gottlieb 17 Apr 1837 Dennewitz Gottlieb > Stuebner, Catharine 1882647/3 52 10 Bap: Apr 19 > > COMPARE: > : Bessarabian Births > Mauch, Catharina 23 Apr 1833 Alt Posttal Gottlieb > Stoebner, Katharina 1883193/2 99 10 Bap: 25 Apr > Mauch, Johann Jakob 1 Oct 1839 Dennewitz Gottlieb > Stebner, Katharina 1882649/3 44 24 Bap: Oct 8

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [GV] Weld County Colorado 1920 G-R census index now online From: Patrice Miller <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Gene Jenkins has done it again. The Weld County, Colorado 1920 census index is now online at: http://www.webbitt.com/volga/ Click on the link that says Census indexes. This is truely an amazing index, Gene Jenkins has extracted 7,440 individuals in approximately 1,220 households! This was the largest German Russian county yet. It includes the towns towns of Windsor, Fort Lupton and Greeley. That makes nearly 30,000 German Russian individuals that Gene has extracted. Patrice Miller

Sorry folks it got away........ still in progress; more soon! ;j. ----- Original Message ----- From: "÷j." <[email protected]> To: "Ger_Rus_L" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:07 AM Subject: KULM history index.... part 3/4: K- > 137. KELLER, DAVID & EMELIA (Keck) > > > > ..........see next part > 268. ZELLMER, C. & MARY (Dittus) > > >

137. KELLER, DAVID & EMELIA (Keck) ..........see next part 268. ZELLMER, C. & MARY (Dittus)