I believe many went to work in the automotive industry.... One place where we have found GRs is in LANSING ;) Kathy Clark who lives in MI , may have more insights! ;j. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 10:59 AM Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] > Dear Listers, > > I am trying to determine which counties in Michigan would have a large > enough population of Germans from Russia to warrant the extraction > of those individuals and families that resided there. > > Any suggestions? > Thanks, > Gene Jenkins > Selah, WA.

Dear Listers, I am trying to determine which counties in Michigan would have a large enough population of Germans from Russia to warrant the extraction of those individuals and families that resided there. Any suggestions? Thanks, Gene Jenkins Selah, WA.

Greeley Tribune Greeley, Colorado 11-13-01 : Donald Bittel : Donald Henry Bittel, 65, of Greeley died Sunday, Nov. 11, at his home with : his family and under the care of Hospice and Palliative Care of Northern : Colorado, Inc. Mr. Bittel was born on Sept. 11, 1936, to Peter and Armina : Marie (Schmidt) Bittel in Logan, Kan. He was the seventh of 10 children. On : Sept. 26, 1959, he married Barbara Ann Shaw at Saint Phillips and James : Catholic Church in Phillipsburg, Kan. Mr. Bittel grew up around Logan and : graduated from Densmore High School. He went into the Army in 1956, serving : some months in Germany. He worked as a carpenter in Kansas and Nebraska for : a few years and then moved his family to Colorado in 1960. When Mr. Bittel : came to Colorado, he learned the electrical trade. He joined the IBEW Local : No. 68 and went into commercial and industrial wiring. He spent 32 years as : a loyal employee of Empire Electrical working at the IBM Plant in Boulder. : Mr. Bittel was a member of the Veterans of Foreign Wars Post No. 9565 in : Broomfield. He raised a family of five children in Broomfield, then built a : new home in Erie in 1979. He retired in 1997, and he and his wife moved to : Greeley. Mr. Bittel was a lifelong member of the Catholic church and active : in his faith community. He was an avid gardener and woodworker/carpenter. He : enjoyed the Denver Broncos, western music and being outdoors. Survivors are : his wife, Barbara; four daughters, Suzanne Elder of Kersey, Sheila Murren of : Newnan, Ga., Shirley Little of Yuma, Ariz., and Sondra Raner of Greeley; a : son, Steven Bittel of Denver; his mother, Marie Bittel of Logan, Kan.; two : sisters, Charlotte Broyles of Logan and Katherine Scott of Sutherland, Neb.; : four brothers, Leroy, Clarence, Carroll and Larry Bittel, all of Kansas; and : 13 grandchildren. His father, a sister, two brothers and two brother-in-laws : are deceased. Mass of the Christian burial will be at 10:30 a.m. Thursday at : St. Peter’s Catholic Church. Recitation of the rosary and Celebration of : Life will be at 7 p.m. at St. Peter’s Catholic Church, 915 12th St. : Interment will follow at Sunset Memorial Gardens. Visitation will be from : 1-5 p.m. Wednesday at Stoddard Funeral Home, 3205 W. 28th St., Greeley. : Contributions may be made to Hospice and Palliative Care of Northern : Colorado, Inc., 2726 W. 11th St. Rd., Greeley 80634 or to Room at the Inn : for the homeless (Interfaith HospitalityNetwork/ www.roomattheinn.org) in : care of St. Peter’s Catholic Church. : : : : _________________________________________________________________ : Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp : : :

Hi, There is a lot of mennonite info in the Manitoba mennonite groups I know that they brought back a lot of records from the Ukraine when there was the big political change over. Check this address: http://www.mennolink.org/ If they don't have the info thay can probably give the right connection. Sylvianne Penner Calgary, Alta. . [email protected] wrote: > Subject: > > GermanRussian-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 208 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [GERmanRUSsian] Mennontie records [Karen Miller <[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from GermanRussian-D, send a message to: > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command: > > unsubscribe > > and NO other text. > > No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] Mennontie records for Worms area > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 15:49:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Karen Miller <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > > This is interesting. I understood many of the Mennonite records would be > inside the Lutheran records for the time I am researching (early 1700's > in the Worms area). Does anyone know if these are filmed by the LDS or > just where these records might be? > > Thanks > > Karen > > On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, ÷j. wrote: > > > St.Petersburg was where the Lutheran Church had it's "headquarters" [HQ] for > > amongst others the Lutheran Churches in the S.Russia region < near the Black > > Sea >. > > > > It, the HQ, was called the Consistory. Local churches were expected to send > > copies of their churchbooks to their HQ..., which in retrospect was a great > > idea, or we would not have any records... as the local records were lost by > > and large. -- I am Syl Forsythe of the Clan Forsythe >>>>>> Instaurator Ruinae <<<<<< A genealogical TRee of 10,000 names covering 500 years And Growing......... Researching, Forsythe, Coxford, Drysdale, Moore, Materi and Penner

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [GV] Two new Washington census indexes, Yakima & Walla Walla counties From: Patrice Miller <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Gene Jenkins has completed two more German Russian indexes of the 1920 census for the counties of Yakima, Washington and Walla Walla, Washington. The index for Yakima was adapted from an extraction originally created by Frank McLean, of the Central Washington Chapter of Germans from Russia. Permission was granted by Frank to reuse his information. Yakima County This index 1,266 individuals in approximately 198 households. This extractions includes all of Yakima County including the towns of Yakima, Toppenish and Wapato. Walla Walla, WA This index includes the the towns of Walla Walla, College Place and Prescott. It contains 1,492 individuals in approximately 250 households. Once again you may access the indexes by going to http://www.webbitt.com/volga/ and clicking on the census index links. Gene Jenkins may be reached directly at [email protected] Patrice Miller

A great website for finding pre-1900 birth records in SD : http://userdb.rootsweb.com/sd/birth/search.cgi

Forwarded...from Walter Kob in Germany. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Kolb" <[email protected]> To: "List Keeper" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 4:25 PM > Hi List Keeper, > I think, "Russian Germans" is a wrong translation of the German > signification "Rußland-Deutsche" = Russia-Germans, beeing the same as > "Deutsch-Russen" = German Russian. > Regards, Walter > ________________________________________ > > [email protected] > > http://home.t-online.de/home/walter.kolb > > http://de.geocities.com/kolb_bw > ________________________________________ > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: List Keeper <[email protected]> > An: <[email protected]>

Forwarded; < messages should be posted to [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] Fw: Wentz/Weickum I have the following Weikum: Jacob Roemmich b. 1854 d. 1926 m. Christina Serr b. 1857 d. 1941 * Jacob Roemmich b.27 Jan. 1880 d. 1958 m. Sophia Weikum b. 1882 d. 1957 dau. of Magdalena Hering and Johann Weikum. * Philip Roemmich b. 1881 * Wilhelmine Roemmich b. 1886 * Heinrich Roemmich b. 1888 * Christine Roemmich b. 1890 * Elizabeth Roemmich b. 1892 * William Roemmich b. 1894 * Peter Roemmich b. 1896 * Edward Roemmich b. 1898 * Amalia Roemmich b. 1904 * Georg Roemmich b. 1901 [email protected]

Forwarded; < messages should be posted to [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "List Keeper" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: New subscribers, and oldtimers....; call for ROLL CALL > Hettinger: Researching: > Surnames: Hettinger, Kindsvater/fater/father/Kins-, Jacoby/Jakobi. > Trupp, Hardung/Hartung/Harding, Jung > Area: Volga villages: Dittel/Dietel (Olezhno/Aleshniki), Doennhof, > Neu-Doennhof, Frank > > [email protected] > >

I've always favored "Germans from Russia" - that little word "from" helps to clarify the question for me. German-Russian or Russian-German has always presented the need to further explain. Regards, Curt.

This is interesting. I understood many of the Mennonite records would be inside the Lutheran records for the time I am researching (early 1700's in the Worms area). Does anyone know if these are filmed by the LDS or just where these records might be? Thanks Karen On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, ÷j. wrote: > St.Petersburg was where the Lutheran Church had it's "headquarters" [HQ] for > amongst others the Lutheran Churches in the S.Russia region < near the Black > Sea >. > > It, the HQ, was called the Consistory. Local churches were expected to send > copies of their churchbooks to their HQ..., which in retrospect was a great > idea, or we would not have any records... as the local records were lost by > and large.

I did some more searching , as i recalled an article by Gwen Pritzkau, and found: http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/gwen.html The article makes great reading on the background of the St.Pete Consistory and the records which are available there! It mentions Catholic records ( near the end, ) at the archives in SARATOV, but i suspect that's for the Volga Region only. Hopefully this will be useful to some... ;j. ----- Original Message ----- From: "÷j." <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [GERmanRUSsian] Kandel/Selz-Info Sought St.Petersburg was where the Lutheran Church had it's "headquarters" [HQ] for amongst others the Lutheran Churches in the S.Russia region < near the Black Sea >. It, the HQ, was called the Consistory. Local churches were expected to send copies of their churchbooks to their HQ..., which in retrospect was a great idea, or we would not have any records... as the local records were lost by and large. I'm not familiar with the set-up of the Roman Catholic Church in Russia, but i'm sure they must have had records as well. Whether they survived the Russian [ / Communist ] Revolution is something i don't know. Perhaps some of our subscribers with expertise in this area can help out here. ========== snipped........again

St.Petersburg was where the Lutheran Church had it's "headquarters" [HQ] for amongst others the Lutheran Churches in the S.Russia region < near the Black Sea >. It, the HQ, was called the Consistory. Local churches were expected to send copies of their churchbooks to their HQ..., which in retrospect was a great idea, or we would not have any records... as the local records were lost by and large. I'm not familiar with the set-up of the Roman Catholic Church in Russia, but i'm sure they must have had records as well. Whether they survived the Russian [ / Communist ] Revolution is something i don't know. Perhaps some of our subscribers with expertise in this area can help out here. Can U share the BLEILE references U have found? Perhaps that will trigger more discussion & help! ;j. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Nevard" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [GERmanRUSsian] Kandel/Selz-Info Sought > JaY: > Thanks. We have found some references to Bleile just thought you might know > some more. > Can you tell me why there are only Lutheran records in St. Pete's. Where > were Catholic records kept or were they kept at all?.It doesn't make a lot > of sense for them to have only kept records for one religious group. > Gary > > > >From: ÷j. > >To: "Ger_Rus_L" > >CC: "\"Gary Nevard\"" > >Subject: Fw: [GERmanRUSsian] Kandel/Selz-Info Sought > >Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:47:15 -0400 > > > >Both Kandel & Selz are primarily catholic villages; > >consequently U won't find much information on the > >St.Pete records, as they were by and large for Lutherans. > > ========== snipped........

JaY: Thanks. We have found some references to Bleile just thought you might know some more. Can you tell me why there are only Lutheran records in St. Pete's. Where were Catholic records kept or were they kept at all?.It doesn't make a lot of sense for them to have only kept records for one religious group. Gary >From: ÷j. <[email protected]> >To: "Ger_Rus_L" <[email protected]> >CC: "\"Gary Nevard\"" <[email protected]> >Subject: Fw: [GERmanRUSsian] Kandel/Selz-Info Sought >Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 20:47:15 -0400 > >Both Kandel & Selz are primarily catholic villages; >consequently U won't find much information on the >St.Pete records, as they were by and large for Lutherans. > >I have a book on Kandel < in German > , by Bosch & Lingor... > >It contains an index , but sadly no BLEILE in it, >as it only contains "language" terms... >< so i don't think it includes any family names> > >If U can read German and would like the full title, >i will be happy to send it. > >Perhaps we have other members on this forum , >who can chip in.... > >So long, ;j. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gary Nevard" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 3:34 PM >Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] Kandel/Selz-Info Sought > > > > Hi! I'm new to the list. > > Does anyone have any information or suggestions on locating information >on >a > > > > Martin and Veronica Bleile of Kandel > > Children - Barbara, Philomine, Veronica, Katharina & Fransceca > > > > ??? Philipp and Barbara Philipp of Selz > > Children - Anton, Katharina and ??? > > ??? Philipp was killed in WWI > > > > Any information would be appreciated. > > Gary and Brenda Nevard. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== > > For questions or with comments about this list, contact the list >administrator at > > > > mailto:[email protected] > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Both Kandel & Selz are primarily catholic villages; consequently U won't find much information on the St.Pete records, as they were by and large for Lutherans. I have a book on Kandel < in German > , by Bosch & Lingor... It contains an index , but sadly no BLEILE in it, as it only contains "language" terms... < so i don't think it includes any family names> If U can read German and would like the full title, i will be happy to send it. Perhaps we have other members on this forum , who can chip in.... So long, ;j. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Nevard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 3:34 PM Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] Kandel/Selz-Info Sought > Hi! I'm new to the list. > Does anyone have any information or suggestions on locating information on a > > Martin and Veronica Bleile of Kandel > Children - Barbara, Philomine, Veronica, Katharina & Fransceca > > ??? Philipp and Barbara Philipp of Selz > Children - Anton, Katharina and ??? > ??? Philipp was killed in WWI > > Any information would be appreciated. > Gary and Brenda Nevard. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== > For questions or with comments about this list, contact the list administrator at > > mailto:[email protected] > >

Ooops , and i'd like to add the following article: "Obtaining Military Pension Files from the VA by Lisa Petersen" at: http://www.kinquest.com/genealogy/resources/va.html I think that's abt it at KinQuest .... ;j. ----- Original Message ----- From: "÷j." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 7:00 PM Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] Online resources: KinQuest > Also of interest may be: > "World War II 4th Draft Registration" by Lisa Petersen at: > http://www.kinquest.com/genealogy/resources/ww2draftcard.html > which mentions: "...The Fourth Draft Registration of World War II took place > in April, 1942, and required men born on or after 28 Apr 1877 and on or > before 16 Feb 1897 to register... > > "It mentions availability and shows an example.... > > Has anyone used these???? I was very intrigued by the years "1877 -1897" > .... > > ;j. > > > > > ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and most SPAM is intercepted. > >

Also of interest may be: "World War II 4th Draft Registration" by Lisa Petersen at: http://www.kinquest.com/genealogy/resources/ww2draftcard.html which mentions: "...The Fourth Draft Registration of World War II took place in April, 1942, and required men born on or after 28 Apr 1877 and on or before 16 Feb 1897 to register... "It mentions availability and shows an example.... Has anyone used these???? I was very intrigued by the years "1877 -1897" .... ;j.

I snooped around a lil more....here are the results...: "Genealogy Research in Stuttgart Libraries and Archives" http://www.kinquest.com/genealogy/resources/stuttgart.html "German Genealogical Research Before The Church Records Begin" http://www.kinquest.com/genealogy/resources/researching.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "List Keeper" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 6:08 PM Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] Online resources: KinQuest in B-W. > For those who have already made it back to emigrants > from Baden-Wuerttemberg, there is an interesting article on: > "German Research at Libraries and Archives in Baden-Wuerttemberg" > at: http://www.kinquest.com/genealogy/resources/badwue.html > > > ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== > Information about the GermanRussian Mailing List is at > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/RUS/GermanRussian.html > >

For those who have already made it back to emigrants from Baden-Wuerttemberg, there is an interesting article on: "German Research at Libraries and Archives in Baden-Wuerttemberg" at: http://www.kinquest.com/genealogy/resources/badwue.html

Yakima Herald Republic Yakima, Washington November 10, 2001 YAKIMA - Bertha Keller Lindgren, 89, of Yakima passed away November 7, 2001 in Summitview Manor. Bertha was born near Odessa, Russia on May 15, 1912. Empress Catherine II called German people into Russia to settle along the Volga River and to cultivate the land. Bertha's grandparents, came from Wittenberg, Germany, and both of her parents were born in Russia. They settled near Odessa and lived in colonies. Farming of grain and grapes took place outside of the colony. Her father served in WWI and could see that another was was inevitable. The Homestead Act of 1862 encouraged people to leave Russia and come to America for free land. It wa time to move to America. Her family and their new baby Bertha sailed on the Black Sea to Liverpool, London and on to Boston. The railroads also developed an intensive campaign about this same time for Germans to come to America, a free ride on the rails to the great plains and file a claim under the Government Homestead Act for 160 acres. She attended a one room school through the eighth grade. During this time her parents had 8 more children. Bertha met a German man in Brady, Montana whose parents also came from Russia. They were married when she was 19 years old and he was twenty- five. Her husband was a dedicated farm worker with many things to do on the farm. She too, worked very hard taking a buggy to the corral and milking eight cows daily. Her husband passed away in 1977 on his birthday. After ten single years, Bertha met and married Donald Lindgren. They had almost 11 very happy married years. Bertha is survived by her daughter Joy Emmerson, who was in the real estate business for 18 years in Yakima. Her other daughter Evely Bradseth lives in Washougal, Washington. Bertha also is survived by 10 grandchildren, twenty-four great grandchildren and two great great grandchildren; on brother and four sisters. She is preceded in death by her parents and a son Robert Moser. Visitation will be at the Keith & Keith 9th Avenue Chapel on Friday November 9th from 10 a.m to 8 p.m.; Funeral Servics will Saturday November 10, 2001 in the Keith and Keith Terrace Heights Chapel. Internment will follow in the Terrace Heights Cemetery.