Name Gruebele, Edward City Jamestown State ND JAMESTOWN -- Edward Gruebele, 79, Jamestown, died July 1, 2003, in his home. Services will be held at 10 a.m. Monday at St. John's Lutheran Church, Jamestown. Burial will be in Highland Home Cemetery, Jamestown. He is survived by his wife, Amelia; two daughters, Carol Jordahl, Fargo, and Colleen Musgrave, Valley City; three sons, Dallas, Valley City, Larry, Jamestown, and Cal, Breckenridge, Minn.; 12 grandchildren; and two great-grandchildren. (Eddy Funeral Home, Jamestown)

I just found a GRUeBELE in 1910 in Morton County Gruebele Johann 128-19A 38 see http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nd/morton/census/1910/moxb1910.txt

Name Landsiedel, Darrel D. City McClusky, ND MCCLUSKY -- Darrel D. Landsiedel, 60, McClusky, died Dec. 4, 2000 in the Turtle Lake hospital. Services will be held at 2 p.m. Friday, at United Methodist Church, Turtle Lake, with burial in Turtle Lake Cemetery. He is survived by his wife, Katherine Landsiedel, McClusky; one son, Darren, Baldwin; two daughters, Sherri Girard, Dillon, Mont., and Janine Camacho, Denver, Colo.; his mother, Gertie Landsiedel, Turtle Lake; and six grandchildren; six brothers and two sisters. (Goetz Funeral Home, Turtle Lake)

Name Koepplin, Allen Date Of Death 10/09/2003 Age 55 City Elgin State ND ELGIN -- Allen Koepplin, 55, Elgin, died Oct. 9, 2003, at an Elgin care center. A graveside service will be held at 11 a.m. Tuesday at the North Dakota Veterans Cemetery, south of Mandan. He is survived by one son, Chad, Strasburg; one brother, Gilbert, California; and one sister, Lillia Walby, Minnesota.

Please pay attention to the purpose of the GERMAN-RUSSIAN-HERITAGE list It is NOT for GENEALOGY... but is for "associated" issues... A list exists for GermanRussian genealogy. Genealogical queries are best posted there. Information about the GermanRussian Mailing List is at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/RUS/GermanRussian.html U will find plenty of your names there... and likely have much better luck there ;) Good luck... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rene Zientek" <rzientek@stratosllc.com> To: <GERMAN-RUSSIAN-HERITAGE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: RE: [HERmitAGE] Roll Call: South Dakota settlers > I have a Veronika Gross and a Joachim Wagner who left Russia in 1890 and > settled in Anderson, Grimes County, Texas. I do not have a lot of > information on Veronika Gross. Maybe the rest of her family settled in South > Dakota.

Please pay attention to the purpose of the GERMAN-RUSSIAN-HERITAGE list It is NOT for GENEALOGY... but is for "associated" issues... A list exists for GermanRussian genealogy. Genealogical queries are best posted there. Information about the GermanRussian Mailing List is at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/RUS/GermanRussian.html U will find plenty of your names there... and likely have much better luck there ;) Good luck... ----- Original Message ----- From: "geniebea" <geniebea@charter.net> To: <GERMAN-RUSSIAN-HERITAGE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [HERmitAGE] Roll Call: South Dakota settlers > Also KAYSERs, Bon Homme county. > > Laura GENTNER DUNWALD >

Please pay attention to the purpose of the GERMAN-RUSSIAN-HERITAGE list It is NOT for GENEALOGY... but is for "associated" issues... A list exists for GermanRussian genealogy. Genealogical queries are best posted there. Information about the GermanRussian Mailing List is at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/RUS/GermanRussian.html U will find plenty of your names there... and likely have much better luck there ;) Good luck... ----- Original Message ----- From: <SSShipMack@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-RUSSIAN-HERITAGE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: [HERmitAGE] Re: GERMAN-RUSSIAN-HERITAGE-D Digest V03 #19 > Ries - came to US in 1909 - settled in Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan and > lived some time in Yorkton, Saskatchewan, Canada > > Heimbuch - came to US in 1912 - settled in Lansing, Cook County, Illinois and > then later moved to Berrien Springs, Berrien County, Michigan. > > Sue "Rough" Mack

Please pay attention to the purpose of the GERMAN-RUSSIAN-HERITAGE list It is NOT for GENEALOGY... A list exists for GermanRussian genealogy. Genealogical queries are best posted there. Information about the GermanRussian Mailing List is at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/RUS/GermanRussian.html U will find plenty of your names there... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Grosz Olsen" <christine@actual-eng.com> To: <GERMAN-RUSSIAN-HERITAGE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 6:47 PM Subject: [HERmitAGE] Roll Call: South Dakota settlers > Roll Call: > > GROSZ > GROSS > ZAHN > GACKLE > HEIER > BOCKDIEDRICK > DALLMAN > JAHRAUS > HEINRICHSON > KRUEG > WAGNER > > The families of GROSZ, GROSS, GACKLE, JAHRAUS, KRUEG and WAGNER settled in > the Dakotas. > -------------- > Christine Grosz Olsen > Christine@actual-eng.com

Frequently double letters are missed, and appear as singles. For instance HuMMel shows as HuMel.. The reason being that there is a "bar" that is used in the old script to indicate a double letter. Often that mark is not translated/transcribed correctly... Freudental Birth Records, 188x Bom, Catharine 23 Apr 1881 Rosenfeld Paulus - Kirsch, Johanna 1897593-1 655 8 l l Alexanderhilf Rom, Johanna 11 Jan 1884 Rosenfeld Paul - Kirsch, Johanna 1895617-1 736 3 elel Alexanderhilf Odessa City Birth RecordsHumel, Johann Christian 7 Sep 1833 Odessa Heinrich/ Elisabeth Beeker 1792290/1 298 63 * I have a sense that Bomm could also be BOHM ... But in any case ROM is off base...

Freudental Birth Records, 186x Almendinger, Katharina 29 Jun 1862 Rosenfeld Nicolas/Karolina Schmidt 1884095/3 132 16 From Sarta Bessarabian Village Birth Records, 187x Almedninger, Sebasetian 2 Dec 1871 Sarata Friedrich Brenner, Margaretha 1884125/2 168 63 Almindinger, Michael 16 Mar 1874 Sarata Flawer Krauss, Rosina 1884119/3 2 13 Almindinger, Rosina Franzisca 12 Mar 1875 Sarata Friedrich Brenner, Margaretha 1884121/3 106 13 Bessarabian Village Death Records, 187x Almendenger, Karolina 26 Oct 1870 Sarata Carolina 1884111/2 40 20 Neusatz Birth Records, 185x Almindinger, Mathias Leonard 17 May 1858 Symperpol Bernhardt/Anna Maria Mueller 1884106/1 876 10 Bessarabian Village Birth Records, 1881-85 Allmending, Reinhold 30 Mar 1884 Rosenfeld Friedrich Heidt, Maria 1895616/3 271 2 Freudental Birth Records, 186x Allmenidiger, johannes 30 Dec 1860 Rosenfeld Nicolas/Katharina Schmidt 1883190/3 308 1 From Sarta COMPARE: Neusatz Birth Records, 185x Almendinger, Wilhelm Alexander 4 Aug 1855 Sympheropol Leonhard/Maria Muller 1884101/1 802 3 Freudental Birth Records, 186x Allmendinger, Georg 21 Jan 1864 Rosenfeld Valenti?/Karolina Schmidt 1884123/4 180 4 From Sarata Allmendinger, Georg 12 Apr 1865 Rosenfeld Nikolaus/Karolina Schmidt 1884087/2 19 10 From Sarata Allmendinger, Nicolaus 7 Aug 1867 Businowa Nicolaus Karoline Schmidt 1884091/3 604 8 From Sarata, PBN:0 Bessarabian Village Birth Records, 1881-85 Allmendinger, Christine 27 Feb 1881 Rosenfeld Nicolai / Schmidt, Karoline 1897593/1 854 4

We recently talked about trying to "decipher" indoemation in the St. Pete Index ... Well who would have thunked that HORHMAIER below is in fact STROHMAIER Freudental Birth Records, 186x Horhmaier, Katharine 20 Nov 1869 Rosenfeld Bernhard Elisabetha Gantner 1884110/3 553 26 From NeuburgCOMPARE TO: Freudental Marriage Records, 186xStrohmaier, Bernhard 28 Nov 1868 Freudental 1884092/1 102 22 M-Elisabethe GanthnerAre there any STROHMAIER researchers on this list?Jay

The St.Pete Index can be found at: http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/search.html Then select the DATA CATEGORY "St. Petersburg Archives" That same page shows "HELP with Odessa queries " which leads to: http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/queryhelp.html That page may be a bit daunting for beginners, but U can always go back there after U have tried some simple searches... and then try some of the more involved ways of locating information. For old hands at the Odessa Library, i'd like to mention that the advanced options which are now there < version 3 > are well worth exploring... For instance for "my stuff" i would search for things like HUMMEL w/3 ROSENFELD and that will be a "combined" search... For details read http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/queryhelp.html Hope this helps... Jay ----- Message ----- From: JOHN & JULEEN KELLER To: jmeeuwig@allstream.net Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: Germans from Russia, roll call Jay, I can not figure it out. I went to the site you sent but I don't understand how to post a roll call. I get that I can post the family I am searching for and ask for help looking for them in Russia. But what else do I do other than go to that web site? I'm lost. I must say that I am new to the internet and all this. Are any of the St. Petersburg archives on line? Where are the best free sites to do research? You seem to know so much about all this. Thank you for any help you can give and I will keep rooting. Juleen

U post a message to the LIST by sending it to: GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com It's a good idea to make the "Subject" meaningful, as some people only look at that to see if they want to read the rest of the message... Good luck, ;j. ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN & JULEEN KELLER To: jmeeuwig@allstream.net Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: Germans from Russia, roll call Jay, I can not figure it out. I went to the site you sent but I don't understand how to post a roll call. I get that I can post the family I am searching for and ask for help looking for them in Russia. But what else do I do other than go to that web site? I'm lost. I must say that I am new to the internet and all this. Are any of the St. Petersburg archives on line? Where are the best free sites to do research? You seem to know so much about all this. Thank you for any help you can give and I will keep rooting. Juleen

Dear Juleen, Lemme see if i can help; i didn't suggest that U would POST a message there... but do a SEARCH and then read the messages that come up... < i will explain later how U POST > Basically in a Roll Call U identify the family names U are researching, as well, if at all possible, the villages where these families came from... For instance in my case i would write: Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 00:25:14 -0300 From: "Jay in NS" <jmeeuwig@attcanada.ca> To: GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERmanRUSsian] Roll CallL: HUMMEL; ROTH; SAUTER; WIDMAIER < alphabetically... > Private correspondence with another member reminded me how important it is to every so often have a rool call, so other folks, old and new members alike , have a chance to see what information one is researching. Summer is over and so now is a good time to kick of a roll call eh! The names i put up there are the primary families; there are of course many others associated with the aforementioned ones. The villages of interest are NEUBURG ALEXANDERHILF ROSENFELD < Konoplewo on the Kuyalnik > and other adjacent villages and settlements. All members are/were Lutheran or other protestant denominations. Jay Meeuwig ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN & JULEEN KELLER To: jmeeuwig@allstream.net Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: Germans from Russia, roll call Jay, I can not figure it out. I went to the site you sent but I don't understand how to post a roll call. I get that I can post the family I am searching for and ask for help looking for them in Russia. But what else do I do other than go to that web site? I'm lost. I must say that I am new to the internet and all this. Are any of the St. Petersburg archives on line? Where are the best free sites to do research? You seem to know so much about all this. Thank you for any help you can give and I will keep rooting. Juleen

Hi Dennis - there is more than one Roll family living next to each other in the 1858 census. Here's what is given for all of the families. Judy Family 333 Jakob Roll age 31 arrived Grossliebental 1819 Wilhelmina Riedlinger, his wife age 31 SONS: Heinrich died 1852 Jakob age 7 Heinrich age 1 DAUGHTERS: Katharina age 11 Maria age 3 Family 330 Matthias Roll age 22 arrived Grossliebental 1821 Elisabetha Maier, his wife age 28 SON Christan age 1 DAUGHTERS Dorothea, age 10 Chrisina age 7 Maria age 3 SISTER Dorothea (went to #199/207) Dorothea age 27 became the wife of Michael Lindemann age 22. If you want to know more about Michael's family, contact me offlist. Family 331 Michael Roll age 33 arrived Grossliebental 1821 Maria age 40 his second wife SONS: Konrad age 9 Jakob age 6 Friedrich age 3 DAUGHTERS Magdalena age 18 Maria age 12 Family 332 Konrad Roll age 31 arrived Grossliebental 1821 Sophia his wife age 35, arrived from Colony Chichenik?? SONS Heinrich age 6 Felix age 3 Konrad age 1 DAUGHTERS Katharina age 18 Franziska age 16

Looking for info on a Jakob ROLL, wife Wilhelmine and family in the 1858 Grossliebental census. If anyone can do a lookup on this, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Dennis

Go to http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GermanRussian search for ROLL CALL the second message will explain a bunch... If not , read a bunch of 'em and U will get the general idea... Good luck, ;j. ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN & JULEEN KELLER To: Jay on Allstream Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: Re: Where are the microfilm records No. I have no idea what a roll call is. Juleen ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay on Allstream To: JOHN & JULEEN KELLER Cc: GerRus Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 2:44 PM Subject: Where are the microfilm records The Mormons in UTAH have a complete set of the microfilms for what are commonly know as the "St.Petersburg Records". Those films can be requested thru any FamilyHistoryCentre [ FHC ] . Several places have permanent onsite copies of these films < for instance the FHC in Calgary > ; which of course is a boon to those researchers who can get to a place like that... < saves a truckload of time and money too ... > It should be noted immediately that these records are primarily for protestant GR. The reason being , that these records are <mostly> from the churchbooks ot the Lutherans. I see your family name KELLER, and i do know there there are a tonne of records in the St.Pete films for Keller; however, KELLER is of course also a name for Catholics. ... Best let us know what U are searching for, and perhaps someone can help U out... For arrivals onto the shores of North America there are of course other records... Did U post a "Roll Call"? I don't recall ... ;) Best of luck, Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN & JULEEN KELLER To: Jay on Allstream Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] St. Petersburg Archives, What information is on the microfilm records I am new to searching for ancestors in Russia. I have read many e-mails and I am curious, where does one find the micro film for Germans from Russia? At this time I am limiting my research to our immigrant ancestor. I am searching for the correct names of his parents. I know when and where he was born and have what appears to be the names of his parents. They all came to the US about the same time but we can find no record of them. Thanks for your help. Juleen ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay on Allstream To: GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] St. Petersburg Archives, What information is on the microfilm records Whereas i generally agree with ...................

The Mormons in UTAH have a complete set of the microfilms for what are commonly know as the "St.Petersburg Records". Those films can be requested thru any FamilyHistoryCentre [ FHC ] . Several places have permanent onsite copies of these films < for instance the FHC in Calgary > ; which of course is a boon to those researchers who can get to a place like that... < saves a truckload of time and money too ... > It should be noted immediately that these records are primarily for protestant GR. The reason being , that these records are <mostly> from the churchbooks ot the Lutherans. I see your family name KELLER, and i do know there there are a tonne of records in the St.Pete films for Keller; however, KELLER is of course also a name for Catholics. ... Best let us know what U are searching for, and perhaps someone can help U out... For arrivals onto the shores of North America there are of course other records... Did U post a "Roll Call"? I don't recall ... ;) Best of luck, Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN & JULEEN KELLER To: Jay on Allstream Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] St. Petersburg Archives, What information is on the microfilm records I am new to searching for ancestors in Russia. I have read many e-mails and I am curious, where does one find the micro film for Germans from Russia? At this time I am limiting my research to our immigrant ancestor. I am searching for the correct names of his parents. I know when and where he was born and have what appears to be the names of his parents. They all came to the US about the same time but we can find no record of them. Thanks for your help. Juleen ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay on Allstream To: GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] St. Petersburg Archives, What information is on the microfilm records Whereas i generally agree with ...................

> Being a person who collects data and places them on the internet, I apologize for one and all errors. Dear Remmick, Apologies for errors in data are NEVER needed! What is the best solution, is an open mind, and alertness to the fact that none of us are perfect. And *U* have amply demonstrated that! It's the "closed minds" who are the problem. Well "problem" is too strong a word. Let's just say that "closed and rigid minds" are not terribly helpful... ;) And i'm sure we have all come across a few in our research on GRs... Your description of the "three-in-one" sounds only too familiar... I have the dubious pleasure of also having to deal with the surname ROTH < just to mention but one > ...; if U don't think that "concurrence" is a problem there, let me divest U of that notion 1, 2, 3... I have no end of trouble with that name... And of course "my" Roth is called Jakob ROTH, a situation not unlike my Wilhelm HUMMELs, ALL in the same village of course... ;) But we keep rooting... Jay Btw. Sharing "corrections" or documenting errors will at least offer an opportunity for other researchers to see what "should be", aka. "s/b". < Who else has found data that "s/b" ??? > ----- Original Message ----- From: <RemMick@aol.com> To: <GermanRussian-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [GERmanRUSsian] St. Petersburg Archives, What information is on the microfilm records > The other error which can be found is: > When the person recording data thinks he/she has found a duplicate name with > data. For years many members of my family have doubted my data on our Hein > family of Borodino because of the researchers thinking three different Hein men > were not three only one man. > > How could that occur? The person copying data found a Georg Hein b. 1807, > then found another Georg Hein b. 1807 and then a third Georg Hein b. 1807. > They eliminated two and mentioned only one Georg Hein. Along came another > researcher. They found Georg Hein b. 1807 Dolkin, Po. and one Georg Hein b. 1807 > Kulm, Po.. So they wrote Georg Hein b. 1807 Dolkin/ Kulm, Po. . Well, that > all may seem quite logical. And, I can understand why the person recording did > what he/she believed accurate. Unfortunately there were three different men > name Georg Hein. All ended up in Borodino. One was born in Dolkin, another in > Rudetz and the other Kulm. All born within the Kulm area of Poland. > > So, yes, looking at the original data can help you. Finding someone to > read Polish records has never been accomplished by me. So, I continued to reply > on memories of the elders of my family, instead of lumping all the Hein > families of Borodino under one Georg Hein. > > It took more than twenty-five years to find data that shows the three Georg > Hein men. All were married to more than one wife. Not all died in Borodino or > even Russia. > > I must voice that I have tried very hard not to make these same mistakes but > no one can be perfect. There are days a person misreads data, or the fingers > don't strike the correct keys .... Sometimes, family data is recorded > differently by members of the same family. > > So, nothing is absolute. So, don't stop looking around just because you > think you have found a name that seems to be right..... Or, don't stop looking > at data because the dates don't seem quite right...... > > Being a person who collects data and places them on the internet, I > apologize for one and all errors. I try and so do the others to get all this right. > > remmick@aol.com > http://www.remmick.org > > > ==== GermanRussian Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb's mailing lists are filtered and attachments are NOT allowed. > >

The other error which can be found is: When the person recording data thinks he/she has found a duplicate name with data. For years many members of my family have doubted my data on our Hein family of Borodino because of the researchers thinking three different Hein men were not three only one man. How could that occur? The person copying data found a Georg Hein b. 1807, then found another Georg Hein b. 1807 and then a third Georg Hein b. 1807. They eliminated two and mentioned only one Georg Hein. Along came another researcher. They found Georg Hein b. 1807 Dolkin, Po. and one Georg Hein b. 1807 Kulm, Po.. So they wrote Georg Hein b. 1807 Dolkin/ Kulm, Po. . Well, that all may seem quite logical. And, I can understand why the person recording did what he/she believed accurate. Unfortunately there were three different men name Georg Hein. All ended up in Borodino. One was born in Dolkin, another in Rudetz and the other Kulm. All born within the Kulm area of Poland. So, yes, looking at the original data can help you. Finding someone to read Polish records has never been accomplished by me. So, I continued to reply on memories of the elders of my family, instead of lumping all the Hein families of Borodino under one Georg Hein. It took more than twenty-five years to find data that shows the three Georg Hein men. All were married to more than one wife. Not all died in Borodino or even Russia. I must voice that I have tried very hard not to make these same mistakes but no one can be perfect. There are days a person misreads data, or the fingers don't strike the correct keys .... Sometimes, family data is recorded differently by members of the same family. So, nothing is absolute. So, don't stop looking around just because you think you have found a name that seems to be right..... Or, don't stop looking at data because the dates don't seem quite right...... Being a person who collects data and places them on the internet, I apologize for one and all errors. I try and so do the others to get all this right. remmick@aol.com http://www.remmick.org