Thank you for this information. I did 67 marker on my brother and no one else has gone that far that match us and that was a few years ago. I increased from 37-67 when FTDNA started doing them. They ask for more DNA on my brother at that point. I told them he had died and they said for the part they needed I could send them my DNA and they sent me a kit. I did ask if I could send my other brother's specimen and the person I talked to said no that won't be necessary. I had already had the mtDNA done on myself but I didn't mention that and it is on the same page as, my brother's. (I wonder about that too). I found it strange that there was not hundred's that matched my son or brother. I did 37 markers on the other two Ydna's that I had done. I didn't do just 12 on any of them. I understand that things happen to cause a person's name to change. That is not the problem. I am not saying it is not devastating because it is. There is no excuse to treat someone badly because you think they are no longer in your group because you have decided they match another group but there are there different names in the 37 markers and we are exact matches of one of the brother's. If I find this to be absolutely true.. I will be ok with it but something is not right here. Did you know that they do not accept a parental DNA in a court of law? The lawyers have them done to try to prove to that person they are the parent but you can still go to court and fight and win. We have lot's of lawyers in my family and they are my source for this information. That should tell us something. If the courts knew they were true they would allow them. They do them in other things with specimens taken to prove a crime and they take those. I would like to have someone look my DNA chart over who know's what they are doing and give me their report. Frances In a message dated 12/20/2008 7:25:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, hartley@iglou.com writes: I've skipped over most of this discussion, so this may already have been said. The best that 12 markers can do is tell you that you are not related. Matching 12/12 simply means that somewhere in the distant (perhaps prehistoric) past you share a common ancestor. It tells you nothing specifically about who this common ancestor might be. The best test for this purpose is probably the 37 marker test (since the difference in cost between the 25 and 37 marker tests is not that great). I only recommend the 67 marker upgrade for those who already match 37/37 and seek to refine their results. However, when all is said and done, DNA alone is not going to tell you definitively who that common ancestor is. It still takes tracking down the paper trail. Another thought to throw in here: DNA can sometimes tell you things you might rather not know, such as an ancestor who was "born on the wrong side of the blanket." If you do DNA, go in prepared for that possibility. -- Charlie Hartley Bowles DNA Project Administrator ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000025)