I'm posting a deed between Jacob Holtzclaw and Harman and Catherine (Cuntze) Kemper in 1746 for the land that was left to Catherine by her father, Joseph Cuntze. In the deed you'll see the Kemper name spelled "Kemper" and "Kamper", sometimes in the same sentence: Prince William County Deed Book 1745-1746, Pg. 27-28: pp. On margin. "31st July 1746. Dd. JACOB HOLTZCLAW" 122- THIS INDENTURE made the twentieth and twenty first day of June in the Twenti- 126 th year of the reign of our sovereign Lord GEORGE the second and in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and forty six Between HARMON KAMPER and CATHERINE his Wife of the Parish of Hamilton and County of Prince William of one part and JACOB HOLTZCLAW of the Parish and County aforesaid of other part Witnesseth that said HARMON KAMPER and CATHERINE his Wife for the sum of Tenn pounds Current money to them paid hath granted unto the said JACOB HOLTZCLAW and to his heirs and assigns a parcel of land containing Forty acres being in the Parish and County aforesaid and on the East side of LICKING RUN being part of a Grand PATENT taken up by JOHN FISHBACK, JOHN HUFFMAN and the aforesaid JACOB HOLTZCLAW and by them conveyed by Deeds to JOSEPH COUNTS deced and by him given and bequeathed in his Last Will and Testament to CATHERINE KEMPER the wife of the aforesaid HARMON KAMPER first part to these presents the said land lying between the land of ELIZABETH RICTER now ELIZABETH MARR and the land of the aforesaid JACOB HOLTZCLAW belonging (all which premises are now in the actual possession of him the said JACOB HOLTZCLAW by virtue of Indenture for one whole year and by virtue of the statue for the transferring of uses into possession) To Have and To Hold the said parcel of land unto the said JACOB HOLTZCLAW his heirs and assigns forever. In Witness whereof the said HARMON KAMPER and CATHERINE his Wife have set their hand and Seals in presence of JAMES GENN, HARMON + KEMPER JACOB SPILMAN, JOHN HOLTZCLAW CATHERINE KEMPER At a Court held for the County of Prince William the 23d day of June 1746, HARMON KEMPER and CATHERINE his Wife (she being privately examined and thereunto consenting) acknowledged this Lease Release & Receipt to JACOB HOLTZCLAW to be their acts and deed which are admitted to record. In Ancestry and Descendants of the Nassau Siegen Immigrants to Virginia 1714-1750 by BC Holtzclaw, sometimes the name is spelled Kemper, sometimes Camper. Some of the descendants of John and Elisabeth (Otterbach) kept their name as Kemper, but some spelled it Camper. Harman Kemper, the son of the Immigrants from above, had a son Peter Camper. Either way it's spelled, it's the same name, but interesting how the names change over time. Barb Price In a message dated 12/14/2008 16:52:12 Pacific Standard Time, jrcamper@earthlink.net writes: I apologize for the delay, I was working on something else and let your email slide. As to the use of the name John Camper I refer you to sites about Germanna, particularly the one below http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/johnsgermnotes/index.html Pages 1, 9, 13, 18, 45, 63, 67, 87, 100 all mention John Camper several concerning the use of headrights filed by the Germanna colonists. Hope this helps. Bob J. R. Camper > [Original Message] > From: <Hdanw@aol.com> > To: <GERMANNA_COLONIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 11/26/2008 8:20:15 PM > Subject: [!! SPAM] [GERMANNA] John Kemper aka Camper > > This message appeared on this list. I do not respond to gatewayed > messages--there are too many hoops through which one must jump. But, here is a > partial reply. The sources mentioned may be of help. > > See below for my response. > > E.W.Wallace > > : > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:33:14 -0000 > From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] fellow descendantsof John Kemper and Alice > Katrina Utterback > To: <GERMANNA_COLONIES-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1227666796.482610@rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: misha412 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.germannaco lo > nies/185.1.2.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Please provide proof of your claim. > > We know of both Campers and Kempers in the descendency from the Germanna > colonists. However, the histories that I have read indicate he was known as John > Kemper after he settled. > > Are there primary source records that show he that he called himself John > Camper? > > [above unsigned] > > Response from and confession of E.W.Wallace > > I really do not do a great deal of research on the Kempers in Virginia > because I mostly work my way from *what I know* to the earliest days, rather than > from the earliest days to the linkage which I have with the Kemper family--my > paternal great-grandmother Amanda Jane Kemper, born in Texas ca 1845 but > whose father was born most probably in Garrard Co., KY. > > About spelling--always regard the fact that the person making the records > was generally the county clerk or the court clerk and not the principals > themselves!!! Kemper, like many a German name, was spelled at least three ways: > Kemper [modern spelling generally], Kamper and Camper. > > The difficulty I find is that the records list too MANY John Kempers!!! In > Garrard Co., KY, where I do a good deal of my searching, there were two known > John Kempers. No doubt they were related, but to what degree I know not. > One was the grandfather of my great-grandmother. He lived near the Dicks > River and his wife was Sarah Rosser. > > Another was probably a younger John Kemper who lived south of the elder John > Kemper, and his wife was Judith Burdett [also spelled Burditt]. {I have > written this from memory, and this may be in error) > > I suspect your best bet to study the early Kempers are 1) read the Kemper > family genealogy on HeritageQuest, which database is available through many > public libraries and some State libraries and 2) read the books of John K. Gott > and others who have compiled books of Fauquier Co., VA. Fauquier Co. was > formed 1759 from Prince William Co. Prince William Co. was formed in 1730 from > Stafford and King George Cos. King George Co. was formed from Richmond > County, and part of Westmoreland County was added later. My experience is that > the records of Prince William Co. and of Stafford Co. are missing. > > The name of the book on HeritageQuest and also a film at the Family History > Library in Salt Lake City is > > Kemper, Willis Miller > Genealogy of the Kemper family in the United States: descendants of John > Kemper of Virginia; with a short historical sketch of his family and of the > German Reformed colony at Germanna and Germantown, VA. > > If you live near an LDS family history center, you probably can order--for a > fee- the film of the Kemper genealogy from Salt Lake City. It is a hefty > book. Not all Kempers seem to be included, but it will give you a start. The > book is over 100 years old, so try to double check each family presented. > This may not be easy to do, as I am certain that the later generations > corresponded with Mr. Kemper--as I am certain my great-grandmother did. Even she, > who had never been out of the State of Texas, made an error in the birthplace > of her deceased husband!!! > > This book should be supplemented by some of the appropriate publications of > the Germanna Memorial Foundation. > > Genealogy is NOT easy!!! > > E.W.Wallace > > **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW > AOL.com. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000 002) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. 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