Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw, by his own admission, did not speak, read, or write German with any degree of fluency.  He stated in some personal correspondence that his spoken German was so poor that he could not be understood and that he could not read the old German script at all.  His research in Germany was actually done by Mr. Emil Flender, brother of Mr. Ernst Flender-two people who have apparently been forgotten for their contributions.  Mr. Ernst Flender's generosity is the reason that the Germanna Foundation owns the land that they have today. Suzanne Collins Matson ----- Original Message ---- From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; MsEagle246@aol.com; snay2@verizon.net Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:42:12 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay I know that you want an alternate source to Holtzclaw, but I don't think  that a lot has been written about the children of Henry Huffman, especially the  daughters. Who is your Nay ancestor and when was he born?  It looks like  Holtzclaw thinks that Mary Huffman was born between 1739 and 1742.  Her  parents were born in 1712 and 1713.  Holtzclaw was very diligent about his  research and he looked at the church records at Bockseifen for Henry and at  Seelbach for his wife, Anna Margarethe Huettenhen. I would like to know more about the Little Fork group and the people that  lived there, many of them related to the First Colony. Barb Price In a message dated 7/25/2008 10:47:22 Pacific Daylight Time,  snay2@verizon.net writes: Does  anyone know anything (other than Holtzclaw) about Mary the daughter of Hans  Heinrick Hofmann (Huffman)of Little Fork?  My Nay ancestor was  married to a woman named Mary. 

This marriage (someone named Mary and John Jacob Nay) would have been in America probably between 1836 and 1839. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne Matson Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:30 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw, by his own admission, did not speak, read, or write German with any degree of fluency.  He stated in some personal correspondence that his spoken German was so poor that he could not be understood and that he could not read the old German script at all.  His research in Germany was actually done by Mr. Emil Flender, brother of Mr. Ernst Flender-two people who have apparently been forgotten for their contributions.  Mr. Ernst Flender's generosity is the reason that the Germanna Foundation owns the land that they have today. Suzanne Collins Matson ----- Original Message ---- From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; MsEagle246@aol.com; snay2@verizon.net Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:42:12 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay I know that you want an alternate source to Holtzclaw, but I don't think  that a lot has been written about the children of Henry Huffman, especially the  daughters. Who is your Nay ancestor and when was he born?  It looks like  Holtzclaw thinks that Mary Huffman was born between 1739 and 1742.  Her  parents were born in 1712 and 1713.  Holtzclaw was very diligent about his  research and he looked at the church records at Bockseifen for Henry and at  Seelbach for his wife, Anna Margarethe Huettenhen. I would like to know more about the Little Fork group and the people that  lived there, many of them related to the First Colony. Barb Price In a message dated 7/25/2008 10:47:22 Pacific Daylight Time,  snay2@verizon.net writes: Does  anyone know anything (other than Holtzclaw) about Mary the daughter of Hans  Heinrick Hofmann (Huffman)of Little Fork?  My Nay ancestor was  married to a woman named Mary.  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Whoops, I meant between 1846 and 1849 for a marriage between John Jacob Nay and a Mary. -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Suzanne Matson Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 1:30 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw, by his own admission, did not speak, read, or write German with any degree of fluency.  He stated in some personal correspondence that his spoken German was so poor that he could not be understood and that he could not read the old German script at all.  His research in Germany was actually done by Mr. Emil Flender, brother of Mr. Ernst Flender-two people who have apparently been forgotten for their contributions.  Mr. Ernst Flender's generosity is the reason that the Germanna Foundation owns the land that they have today. Suzanne Collins Matson ----- Original Message ---- From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; MsEagle246@aol.com; snay2@verizon.net Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:42:12 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay I know that you want an alternate source to Holtzclaw, but I don't think  that a lot has been written about the children of Henry Huffman, especially the  daughters. Who is your Nay ancestor and when was he born?  It looks like  Holtzclaw thinks that Mary Huffman was born between 1739 and 1742.  Her  parents were born in 1712 and 1713.  Holtzclaw was very diligent about his  research and he looked at the church records at Bockseifen for Henry and at  Seelbach for his wife, Anna Margarethe Huettenhen. I would like to know more about the Little Fork group and the people that  lived there, many of them related to the First Colony. Barb Price In a message dated 7/25/2008 10:47:22 Pacific Daylight Time,  snay2@verizon.net writes: Does  anyone know anything (other than Holtzclaw) about Mary the daughter of Hans  Heinrick Hofmann (Huffman)of Little Fork?  My Nay ancestor was  married to a woman named Mary.  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Suzanne, You wrote: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:30 PM <"Dr. B. C. Holtzclaw, by his own admission, did not speak, read, or write German with any degree of fluency. He stated in some personal correspondence that his spoken German was so poor that he could not be understood and that he could not read the old German script at all. His research in Germany was actually done by Mr. Emil Flender, brother of Mr. Ernst Flender-two people who have apparently been forgotten for their contributions. Mr. Ernst Flender's generosity is the reason that the Germanna Foundation owns the land that they have today."> I intentionally included your entire posting as it contains several things that is new to me about the early days of the Germanna Foundation. That Dr. Holtzclaw stated his weakness in the German language and old the script. The Fender deserve special recognition someway for their contributions to Holtzclaws compilation of the various genealogies. I am not aware of much of the beginnings, in fact, much of anything about Germanna, and wish I were younger instead fastly approach my dotage. I do have one thing to offer. No matter what the skills of the researchers were for any source of a person's ancestry, one should always try to see the original records used or at least a microfilm. That old script is not easily read, and recognized experts in Germany readily admit that they do make respects. Microfilm is not the best, but if it is all you have, one must make do. I can not believe how easily the actual church books are to read; however, the microfilm results are sometimes so bad, it takes time and effort to grasp what it means. My German brother and our great friend never were able to determine the meaning of what looked like 'hus' in a church records of the early 1600s. It was in the column for baptismal sponsors, and we all figured it had to be a word for' Godparent. Eventually, I started over with that microfilm and a bolt of lightening hit. It was 'sus'. The Lutheran pastor was showing off his high level of education and using the Latin for baptismal sponsors and abrreviating it as "sus"! In the beginning, he had better handwriting, but I had no relatives there! If you are looking for your relative, it the record, when found, is more easily decipherable than a lot of the others. Something mystical happens, but it also helps to have three or four like-minded folks at the Family History Center to help with ones suffering and it does get worked out eventually. Cary ----- Original Message ---- From: "RockCatt@aol.com" <RockCatt@aol.com> To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; MsEagle246@aol.com; snay2@verizon.net Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 9:42:12 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Hans Henrich Hofmann/Nay I know that you want an alternate source to Holtzclaw, but I don't think that a lot has been written about the children of Henry Huffman, especially the daughters. Who is your Nay ancestor and when was he born? It looks like Holtzclaw thinks that Mary Huffman was born between 1739 and 1742. Her parents were born in 1712 and 1713. Holtzclaw was very diligent about his research and he looked at the church records at Bockseifen for Henry and at Seelbach for his wife, Anna Margarethe Huettenhen. I would like to know more about the Little Fork group and the people that lived there, many of them related to the First Colony. Barb Price In a message dated 7/25/2008 10:47:22 Pacific Daylight Time, snay2@verizon.net writes: Does anyone know anything (other than Holtzclaw) about Mary the daughter of Hans Heinrick Hofmann (Huffman)of Little Fork? My Nay ancestor was married to a woman named Mary. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message