Barb, I don't know if John Hoffman was the first person of the "First Colony" to marry a member of the "Second Colony." However, I can see from reading this list that his children certainly merged the two colonies to an extent that many, many are desecendents of both the "First Colonists" and the "Second Colonists". One of the contributors to this list has shown that she has multiple ancestors in both colonies. Several others have written about it. With the number of children that both Hoffman and Weber had--about two dozen in all--then there should be lots more that just may not have yet discovered they are related to the 1714ers and 1717ers. <You gave his second wife as Maria Sabina Charlotta Barbara Folg, whom he married July 1729, with whom had 12 children.> This Folg spelling does appear in the Johannes Hoffmann Family Bible. However, I have only seen the Folg spelling once in any of the Church records around Wagenbacher Hof. The usual spelling of the name is Volckh in the begining of their records in the Huffenhardt Church books; then, it becomes Volck, and today it is Volk. Volk sounds like Folg to the English ear, but the German speakers have no probably with the spelling as Volk. The Volks did not come into Wagenbacher Hof until about 1630. I have not seen them in the surrounding villages records. A number of the Volck/Volk family are found in the Obergimpern Church records after about 1700. They are in both the Catholic and Protestant records of Obergimpern. At that time the same church edifice was used. Around 1900, the Catholics built a church building much larger than the old village church. Johannes Hoffman's property adjoined his brother-in-law's property. This was Hans Dietrich Weber of Gemmingen who married Louisa Elisabeth Volck. I have not been up to finishing my study of Hans Dietrich Weber, aka John Peter Weaver and his wife Elisabeth Volck. However, I have found what looks just like our handwritten "b" used for the beginning 'U" in Ulrich. I also have a multiple number of forms of the "u" in German scrift. Comparing all this and things I have written about before, about a dozen in all, it is clear that Lobis Elisabeth Weber in the Communion Lists at Hebron Church is Lousia Elisabeth (Volck) Weber. It looks as it the ending character inthe original church book could be a "se" which would make the name at Hebron Lousie. This female name was more of an importation from Franch and England to Germanic lands. Cary ---- RockCatt@aol.com wrote: > This John Hoffman would actually be from the First Colony, he arrived in > 1714, but he moved to the Robinson River. His first wife was Anna Catherina > Haeger, the daughter of Rev. Henry Haeger and Anna Friesenhagen, with whom he > had 5 children. His second wife was Maria Sabina Charlotta Barbara Folg, he > married her in July 1729 and they had 12 children. > >> Barb Price > >

I have to share something I found via ProQuest newspapers (through my local library): The Washington Post, May 29, 1950, page 14: "Picnic at Germanna. If all the descendants of the original Germanna, Va. colonies turn out for the Society of Germanna Colonists second annual picnic on June 18, it will be difficult finding elbow room for maneuvering the watermelon. The Society estimates some nine million people resulted from the landing of about 250 families by Lieut. Gov. Alexander Spotswood in 1714, 1717, 1719 and 1724. The group will sponsor a basket picnic starting at 11 a.m. at Germanna, located halfway between Culpeper and Fredericksburg." ====== Based on the knowledge we have gained since then and using some extrapolation based on what we have, can we estimate today the approximate number of descendants that ay be living today in the U.S.? Kathleen On 7/25/08, drcary@cox.net <drcary@cox.net> wrote: > > Barb, > > I don't know if John Hoffman was the first person of the "First Colony" to > marry a member of the "Second Colony." However, I can see from reading this > list that his children certainly merged the two colonies to an extent that > many, many are desecendents of both the "First Colonists" and the "Second > Colonists". One of the contributors to this list has shown that she has > multiple ancestors in both colonies. Several others have written about > it. With the number of children that both Hoffman and Weber had--about two > dozen in all--then there should be lots more that just may not have yet > discovered they are related to the 1714ers and 1717ers. > > <snipped for brevity> > -- > Kathleen Bowen Simons > Falls Church, Virginia > > IMAGE - a No. VA Christian church whose mission is simple: Worship. > Community. Service. > www.thisisimage.com (click on the Audio icon to hear Pastor Chris' > messages!) > > Listen to a beautiful song, "Feel the Ocean Calling," by Roderick C. > Simons: http://www.myspace.com/roderickcsimons

Kathleen wrote: ---- > > The Washington Post, May 29, 1950, page 14: > > "Picnic at Germanna. > . > The Society estimates some nine million people resulted from the landing of about 250 families by Lieut. Gov. Alexander Spotswood in 1714, 1717, 1719 and 1724. One might have to know the number estimated living in 1950. I think we have members of this list who know how to determined such estimates. If a room full of people all know all their ancestry back five generations, there will be at least one set of blood cousins present. I think the number has to be at least 20 persons. The problem is most people don't know all their ancestry back five generations. Even in a room of dedicated genealogists, there seems to always be one set of great-great grandparents that are unknown. I like to brag on being back to 1450 in the village of Hochdorf on my Katz and get all the nice mumbling of ooohss and ahs. But, then I quickly say, "Let me tell you about my great-grandfather, b 1841 in Tennessee as per the census." I've never found him and I started in 1956! Cary