Don, The site you sent copied their information from one of Dr. Holtzclaw's books.  It is true that Hermann Otterbach is not mentioned in any document located thus far that would place him in the VA colony.  He and his family are included because of tradition-something that Dr. Holtzclaw acknowledged. Suzanne Collins Matson ----- Original Message ---- From: Don Johnson <voodoo@wdemail.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:40:56 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Utterbachs in First Colony? http://www.progenealogists.com/palproject/va/1714germ.htm -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:52 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Utterbachs in First Colony? Dear list: Under what authority does anyone place Herman Utterbach as a member of the 1st colony?  He is not named in any land record of the 1st colony at Germantown in what is now Fauquier County.  Surely I am missing something.  I suppose we can PERHAPS forgive the inclusion of Rev. Hager and Joseph Albrecht on this list, though neither of them are mentioned in the land records either. But Utterbach? I am UTTERLY confused on this one. Craig ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message