The Settler's List on the Germanna Foundation web site lists Johann Just Albrecht, he's not included in any other list of settler's but we thought it important because he did live there for a time with the First Colony. Without Albrecht, there should be the 42 people that constituted the First Colony. I do remember the time that we spent, along with you, Suzanne, in making sure that we had the Settler's List correct, not only for the First Colony, but for all of the Germanna Settlers. In his letters, Spotswood notes the approximate number of Germans in 1715: "To ye Lords Commissioners of Trade and Plantations, 7 February 1715 (by our calendar 1716), My Lords: - - - - As to the other Settlement, named Germanna, there are about forty Germans, Men, Women and Children, " John Fontaine does note "there are but nine families, and they have nine houses, built all in a line..." in his 1714 visit to Germanna. Our own Dr. Katharine Brown, in her lecture entitled "The Women of Germanna," which she presented at the 2008 Germanna Foundation's Reunion, and which is on the Foundation web site, noted these households and who would have comprised them as there were 8 male heads of households, along with their families, including Pastor Haeger and his family. The ninth house could have been the "bachelor pad" as there were 5 bachelors that came to Virginia--Melchior Brumbach, John Hoffman, John Kemper, Joseph Martin and John Spilman. Also of note are the 2 adult children of Philip and Elizabeth Heimbach Fisbhbach, John and Harman--they were 23 and 21 years old. Did they live with their parents or the other bachelors? Another question that Dr. Brown asks is this--was the ninth house occupied by Albrecht? This is certainly a possibility. Dr. Brown also notes the composition of the households a few years later as several members of the First Colony had died--Hermann Otterbach; his sons, John Philip and John; John Henry Weaver and his son, John; Maria Elizabeth Freudenberg Hitt, the first wife of Peter Hitt; Anna Gertrud Reinschmidt Cuntze, the wife of Joseph Cuntze; and Philip Fischbach--8 total. One family that has been under intense scrutiny as to their arrival in Virginia is the Otterbach family--Hermann Otterbach, his wife, Elizabeth Heimbach, their sons John Philip, John and their daughters Elizabeth, Alice Catherine, Mary Catherine and Anna Catherine. The records in Germany state that this family moved to Virginia, but the father Hermann Otterbach isn't on any of the lists of workers, I think this was taken in 1718, nor was he naturalized, as he probably died shortly after arrival here. There is also no further record of the Otterbach family in Germany after 1714 in the German church records. And, without the Otterbach daughters, as pointed out by BC Holtzclaw, there are not enough wives for Joseph Martin, Harman Fishback and Peter Hitt. I think another source for the 42 people that comprised the First Colony is BC Holtzclaw's "Ancestry and Descendants of the Nassau Siegen Immigrants to Virginia 1714-1750." I've said it before and I'll say it again--upon meeting the Siegen Church Archivist, Herr Gerhard Moisel, he had this book with him, he uses it every day, he stated to me, and 3 others that were researching with him that day in 2004, that there are very few errors in this book. And, before you ask him a question about the First Colony, you are to read this book because you will probably have your answer. I am curious as to the sources that state that there were 47 members of the First Colony, what is that, Suzanne? Barb Price In a message dated 1/22/2009 10:00:49 Pacific Standard Time, holt zclaw.research@yahoo.com writes: I noticed recently that the official history of the Germanna Foundation states there were 47 people in the 1714 Colony. The list of Germanna Settlers names 44 people(I counted them). Lt. Governor Alexander Spotswood gave the number as 42. Of the three different numbers given, I can only find documentation for the number 42. What sources were used to determine the other two numbers given (44 and 47)? I will point out that I did contribute some of the names on the page of Germanna Settlers--but only the ones on which I had some documentation that they actually arrived in the VA colony. A number of names are listed out of tradition and not as a result of research and documentation. Suzanne Collins Matson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)