Thanks so much John. I have searched on google and located a Neuenberg in Karlsruhe same region as Otisheim, home of Johannes Breil/Broyles. Is this the correct Neuenburg? I noted some on the internet have located one Neuenburg in Schwarzwald, which is near Switzerland and have also indicated that Ursula Ruop's mother was Anna Barbara Schone, Cyriacus Fleshman's wife and Maria Catherine's Fleshman's mother. This seems impossible as according to my records Anna Barbara Schone was married to Blankenbaker when Ursula was born and Ursula's father was alive when she married. I will get a copy of the Germanna booklet, I have the new Family Tree Maker that brings in ancestry files very easily and I am finding a lot of contradictory information as expand my file. Susan In a message dated 8/29/2010 4:24:17 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: The name Isom, which does occur in the "Hebron" church records, should be read as Eastham, not Isham. It certainly does appear that Cyriacus Fleshman was born in Klings. The name Fleshman is the most common name in Klings churchyard. However this is not proof that Cyriacus came from Klings. Anna Barbara Schone was married three times, to a Blankenbaker, a Schlucter, and to Fleshman (using some English spellings). One must be careful about Neuenbürg because there are two of these and they are only about 20 miles apart. Both are in Baden-Württemberg today. I recommend Germanna Record 18 and the Beyond Germanna CD for much more extensive elaborations of these points. Both are obtainable from the Germanna Foundation. John Blankenbaker If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line data. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message