This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: k_purchase Surnames: Hammler/Hamler/Homler/Hambler/Hombler/Homlar Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.germannacolonies/604.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: >>1717 (Second Colony) and became indentured servants of Alexander Spotswood. The First Colony was mostly from Siegen Reformed and the Second Colony from Baden-Württemberg and mostly Lutheran. My Gemmingen families were Klaar (Clore) and Weber (Weaver). Which family went to New York? Were they listed in the Gemmingen Death Register in July 1717 as leaving to go to Pennsylvania as the Klaar and Weber families were? Would like to learn more about your family<< The description that the Gemmingen pastor used in "the death book" was also ascribed to my Hammler/Hamler family who went from Gemmingen directly to New York in 1717 and then quite quickly to Somerset County, New Jersey in 1718. There was no mention of Pennsylvania that I recall though I believe the pastor who wrote the names of the leaving congregants in the "Death Book" made such statements more than one time. They were also part of the Second Migration of German families only their destination was obviously different than your family's migration pattern. I have never been able to find what ship they sailed on to get to the New World. The family, even after moving from New York to New Jersey would return to the Lutheran Church in New York City for baptisms and marriages. The earliest information I have of this Hammler/Hamler Gemmingen family was (Hans) Nicholas Hammler Sr. born in 1677 and married Eva Magdalena Keller in Gemmingen in 13 Sep 1698. Their first child was Nicholas Hammler Jr. b. in Germany in 1700. Hank Z. Jones says this German family -- Hammler--(which means castrator of male sheep) included: 1.) (Hans) Nicholas Hammler b. 1700 2.)Eva Magdalena Hammler, b. 1708 3.) Johannes (Hans) Hammler, b. 1713 4.) Maria Margaretha Hammler, b. 1714 When this Hammler family came from Gemmingen to New York City in 1717 it was regarded as the second German migration from Europe. The mother, Eva Hammler, died within a year after their arrival and the father, Nicholas, remarried and brought his family to Somerset Co., NJ where they mostly stayed, except for movements into Morris Co., NJ, Sussex Co., NJ and Warren Co., NJ (all northern NJ area.). In the 1800s a few of them moved back and forth over the Delaware River to live in Pennsylvania. (The Delaware River, it was said, reminded them of the Rhine River in Germany.) This is Hammler family-- now calling themselves "Hamler"-- is the first indication of any Hammler family that I have found in the New World though I found many later Hamlers , migrating later to Virginia and often Black or Mulatto in race whereas my direct ancestors in New Jersey seem to be White in race though Nicholas Hammler, the father, "bought" a Black man to be a servant to him though he seems to be t! reated as a son and possibly was bought to be released . One of Nicholas Jr's sons was called Benjamin just as Nicholas Sr.'s called his so-called bought servant. Thanks very much. Kathleen [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.