I'm jumping in a little late --- Betty, according to Zimmerman and Cerny there was a Paul Jäger in Oberzell but Nicholas may have been born elsewhere. Oberzell is near Weichersbach. Now I can't remember exactly what I said and I'm still waiting to receive my copies of the Yager book ... Have it on a computer file but am getting ready to take the kids to school and have one sick with a possible bladder infection so a trip over to the doctor (an hour away because we have no doctors in our small town) today plus I have to work too ... Cathi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Johnson" <[email protected]> To: "germanna colonies" <[email protected]> Cc: "Dan Franklin" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > Rick, > > Your Yeager cousin Dan Franklin was stationed at Kaiserslautern in Germany > for several years (I believe from about 2005-2007 or 2008?) and did a lot > of personal research on the Yagers during that time. I'm afraid I imposed > on him unmercifully while he was there to dig into any and all Yager > records, because he lived not far from the > Marienthal-Winnweiler-Falkenstein area. > > Dan made copies and got translations of every record he could find. I had > furnished him with data from "Before Germanna," number 10 (May 1990) so he > could follow up on all the leads that Gary Zimmerman and Johni Cerny > compiled. I'm hoping Dan is still on the list and has seen your request > but I have e-mailed him just in case. > > Chad Yeager, who may or may not still be on this list, also put together a > lot of information from the Oberzell records and generously shared it with > any and all who asked. > > John Blankenbaker dedicated several issues of his newsletter "Beyond > Germanna" to the German churches, including the one at Winnweiler. > > Note that Winnweiler is a much larger place than Marienthal. Falkenstein > is between them. The area is quite popular with German hikers. > > In 2006, I went on the Germanna Foundation's tour and Dan met us in > Winnweiler. In his tiny little car, he took Suzie Oberg, Jim Wilhite and > his wife Pat, and me to the castle ruins at Falkenstein, then down the > mountain into little Marienthal, where we went to the protestant church > and where he introduced us to friends Freddie Yager and his family, as > well as to the pastor and another church lady, who were all just > wonderful. They had not been expecting us, but Dan went to Freddy's > house, and Freddy went and got the lady with the church key and then the > pastor arrived -- all on foot and all so happy to see us. It was a great > day. The Marienthal church has some lovely altar pieces dedicated to the > Falkenstein family. > > The entire tour group attended Sunday services at the church in Winnweiler > that Sunday, where Dan (then a colonel and U.S. Army chaplain) was invited > to read the text. Suzie and I were so moved by the place and the > experience, we had to share a handkerchief! > > Note that Winnweiler, not Marienthal, is the place where our ancestor Adam > Yager and one of his sisters were baptized. His parents were married in > the church in Marienthal, where his other sisters were baptized. > > Dan also found the village named Weichersbach. You may or may not know > that there is not consensus about the name of the father of the immigrant > Nicholas, nor about the village where he was born. In the new Germanna > Record 19 on the Yagers, Cathi Frost states it was "probably Oberzell," > but I do not agree and last I heard, Dan did not agree, either. I think > it far more likely he was from Weichersbach, because his naturalization > certificate says he was born in Weichersbach, Hesse. His marriage record, > gives his father as "Paul Jager of Meierspach" with Meierspach accepted by > some as a corruption of Weichersbach. Thus, if you accept his marriage > record to Anna Maria Sieber, you accept his father's name as Paul. But if > you accept that he was from Oberzell, then you accept his father's name as > Johan (Hans) Jager, shown in the Oberzell records, and not Paul -- and > must reject the marriage record to Anna Marie Sieber in Marienthal. > > Betty > Elizabeth Yates Johnson > List Administrator, Yeager-South-US > "Following John [Yager]" > "The Family of Daniel Wayne Yeager 1835-1910" > "Yeagers Named John Who Lived in present Madison County, VA 1732-1850" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Yeager <[email protected]> > To: germanna colonies <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:29:29 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > > I'll be spending about 1 year in Germany. I'm looking for advice on > towns, churches, people, etc. to visit to pick up details on the 2nd > Colony Nicholas Yager family heritage in Germany. I will be living > southwest of Dusseldorf. Any advice would be welcomed. > > Thanks in advance. > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > If you refer to a Germanna descendant, include a link to your on-line > data. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello-- I visited Oberzell and Weichersbach in Hessen a year ago, and really they are so close together you could yodel in Oberzell and easily be heard in Weichersbach. Also, the church in Weichersbach was built in 1797 after Nicholas would have been born, he could not have been baptized there, but Oberzell or even Mottgers, maybe. And, regarding the accuracy of records that WE make--most of us don't really know where we are born, it's what our parents tell us or we see a birth certificate, right? And if there are no birth certificates? For a good 50 years I thought my sister was born in Wauseon, Ohio, until she informed me recently it was Bryan, Ohio. Well, I suppose she has seen her birth certificate, but what if she were relying on me, the older sib? If I were the one creating a family record, it would have been wrong. Virginia Nuta ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Johnson" <[email protected]> To: "germanna colonies" <[email protected]> Cc: "Dan Franklin" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 4:47 AM Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > Rick, > > Your Yeager cousin Dan Franklin was stationed at Kaiserslautern in Germany > for several years (I believe from about 2005-2007 or 2008?) and did a lot > of personal research on the Yagers during that time. I'm afraid I imposed > on him unmercifully while he was there to dig into any and all Yager > records, because he lived not far from the > Marienthal-Winnweiler-Falkenstein area. > > Dan made copies and got translations of every record he could find. I had > furnished him with data from "Before Germanna," number 10 (May 1990) so he > could follow up on all the leads that Gary Zimmerman and Johni Cerny > compiled. I'm hoping Dan is still on the list and has seen your request > but I have e-mailed him just in case. > > Chad Yeager, who may or may not still be on this list, also put together a > lot of information from the Oberzell records and generously shared it with > any and all who asked. > > John Blankenbaker dedicated several issues of his newsletter "Beyond > Germanna" to the German churches, including the one at Winnweiler. > > Note that Winnweiler is a much larger place than Marienthal. Falkenstein > is between them. The area is quite popular with German hikers. > > In 2006, I went on the Germanna Foundation's tour and Dan met us in > Winnweiler. In his tiny little car, he took Suzie Oberg, Jim Wilhite and > his wife Pat, and me to the castle ruins at Falkenstein, then down the > mountain into little Marienthal, where we went to the protestant church > and where he introduced us to friends Freddie Yager and his family, as > well as to the pastor and another church lady, who were all just > wonderful. They had not been expecting us, but Dan went to Freddy's > house, and Freddy went and got the lady with the church key and then the > pastor arrived -- all on foot and all so happy to see us. It was a great > day. The Marienthal church has some lovely altar pieces dedicated to the > Falkenstein family. > > The entire tour group attended Sunday services at the church in Winnweiler > that Sunday, where Dan (then a colonel and U.S. Army chaplain) was invited > to read the text. Suzie and I were so moved by the place and the > experience, we had to share a handkerchief! > > Note that Winnweiler, not Marienthal, is the place where our ancestor Adam > Yager and one of his sisters were baptized. His parents were married in > the church in Marienthal, where his other sisters were baptized. > > Dan also found the village named Weichersbach. You may or may not know > that there is not consensus about the name of the father of the immigrant > Nicholas, nor about the village where he was born. In the new Germanna > Record 19 on the Yagers, Cathi Frost states it was "probably Oberzell," > but I do not agree and last I heard, Dan did not agree, either. I think > it far more likely he was from Weichersbach, because his naturalization > certificate says he was born in Weichersbach, Hesse. His marriage record, > gives his father as "Paul Jager of Meierspach" with Meierspach accepted by > some as a corruption of Weichersbach. Thus, if you accept his marriage > record to Anna Maria Sieber, you accept his father's name as Paul. But if > you accept that he was from Oberzell, then you accept his father's name as > Johan (Hans) Jager, shown in the Oberzell records, and not Paul -- and > must reject the marriage record to Anna Marie Sieber in Marienthal. > > Betty > Elizabeth Yates Johnson > List Administrator, Yeager-South-US > "Following John [Yager]" > "The Family of Daniel Wayne Yeager 1835-1910" > "Yeagers Named John Who Lived in present Madison County, VA 1732-1850" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Yeager <[email protected]> > To: germanna colonies <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:29:29 -0000 (UTC) > Subject: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany > > I'll be spending about 1 year in Germany. I'm looking for advice on > towns, churches, people, etc. to visit to pick up details on the 2nd > Colony Nicholas Yager family heritage in Germany. I will be living > southwest of Dusseldorf. 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Cathi, It seems I have offended you and Ginnie and that was not my intention. I have stated repeatedly (even in the Introduction to your book) that I give immense credit to anyone taking on the writing of a family history, and most especially to you for the sheer scope of the Yager book. It's not something I would have taken on. As you well know, the two Yager books I have done contain errors which I openly acknowledge in the interest of getting the correct information out there. I always go through each book that I mail out and laboriously write in the corrections, as well as material I've found since publishing the books, and initial the corrections and additions. I was just doing the same thing with your book, that is, making note of items that might at least be re-examined. The very few other errors I have found so far, I have already pointed out to you privately and just wasn't thinking when I stated this publicly today. I do apologize. I wasn't thinking. I hope you receive your copy of the book soon. Ginnie made a good point that Oberzell and Weichersbach are very close together. I believe it was in Chad Yeager's material that Johann is shown as the father in the Oberzell records. However, I know you are already compiling an "Errata" list and thought maybe you might consider at least elaborating a bit on the "probably Oberzell" phrase, because this book will -- and rightly should -- be considered a real watermark in Germanna Yager research. As to the child care situation, I totally sympathize! I don't have those problems these days, but I well remember the days when I worked full time to support my six stair-step kids. They never had the chicken pox or mumps at the same time and I was constantly getting calls at the office from the sitters. But turn-about is fair play: they are taking care of me now. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: Cathi Clore Frost <[email protected]> To: germanna colonies <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:35:09 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Extended Stay in Germany I'm jumping in a little late --- Betty, according to Zimmerman and Cerny there was a Paul Jäger in Oberzell but Nicholas may have been born elsewhere. Oberzell is near Weichersbach. Now I can't remember exactly what I said and I'm still waiting to receive my copies of the Yager book ... Have it on a computer file but am getting ready to take the kids to school and have one sick with a possible bladder infection so a trip over to the doctor (an hour away because we have no doctors in our small town) today plus I have to work too ... Cathi