In a message dated 7/11/2010 11:18:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: This older Philip seems to have been too young to have been the father of Augustine, and nothing further is know of him. Christopher and Valentine Windle must have come to America later, for Philip and Augustine came over by themselves in 1732. That particular ship's list contains the names of women and children, as well as males over 16, and no Windle women or children appear Barbara, RITTERs came on the Ship Samuel arriving 17 Aug 1731, Rotterdam to Philadelphia. Some aboard end up in the Valley of Virginia. WENDELs coming on the Ship Samuel arriving 11 Aug 1732, Rotterdam to Philadelphia one year later. Hum. I have 1 Jan 1680 as a birth year for Hans "Philip" WENDEL the said father of the brothers Augustine, Christopher and Valentine WENDEL. If the Philip WENDEL aboard the Ship Samuel was born in 1698, he would be 18 years younger than Philip WENDEL, born in 1680. If the older Philip married at 16 or 17, which is possible, a son by 1680 is possible. Joist HITE was married at 19 years, so young marriages were not uncommon. I have another child for Philip WENDLE (1680) as Anna Petronella WENDEL. She married Johann "Peter" BECKER/BAKER and their son Nicholas BAKER was the father of the Hieronymus BAKER, I believe, that was mentioned in the survey for the Lutheran and Dutch Chappel or Society of Dutch Protestants I previously posted. BECKER/BAKER family from Framersheim, Rhineland Phalz, Germany. Hieronymus BAKER's brother Philip Peter BECKER/BAKER was married to Barbara SNAPP. She had a brother, John SNAPP that "could" be the John SNAPP, Sr. mentioned in the above church survey. Anyhow, back to the source work and see if I can keep "slugging" away at this and come up with some good documention. Thank you for everything! Chocy