Steve, I agree with all your conclusions. Most importantly, dates just don't bear out what others have "surmised". As I said, it would have been unusual for Lovel's parents to have been married at such a late age. Solomon must have been married earlier to an unknown wife, from which such marriage resulted in "Lovel". We just have to find some evidence of the earlier marriage. Sarge At 10/6/2011 01:10 PM Thursday, Steve Broyles wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >George, > >This is indeed interesting. I've had Lovel as a son of Zacharias of Peter for a long time, too. >Four candidate fathers exist in Monroe Co.- Zacharias, Solomon J., and John, all sons of Peter, >and Solomon Broyles son of Peter's brother Zacharias. Note the two Solomon Broyles. > >I have Lovel's birth year as 1803, based on his appearance in the Monroe Co. tax records starting >in 1824. But the census of 1850 and 1860 both show him as being born in 1800. > >If Lovel is to be the son of Solomon J. of Peter there are inconsistencies: >1. The biggest is the one you point out. Solomon J. married Sarah Thompson in 1809, six or more >years after Lovel was born. Sarah was born c. 1792 and would have been no more than 12 years >old when Lovel was born. >2. Solomon J. does not have a young boy in his household in the 1810 census of Monroe Co. > >We must remember that death certificates are not filled out by the person who died. Neighbors or >friends were often called upon to provide information. In this case, though, it looks like Lovel's >wife Alice survived him (census of 1870), which suggests the death information is likely to be correct. > >The best I can come up with is the following: Solomon J. married twice. His first wife gave >birth to Lovel. She died and little Lovel was raised by another family. Solomon then remarried >to a much younger Sarah Thompson. Note that the death information lists a Sarah as the mother. >This might have been the name of Solomon's first wife, or perhaps it refers to Sarah Thompson. > >So Lovel is not to be found in Solomon J.'s census records. But Solomon son of Zacharias is >interesting. In 1810 he has three sons, two of whom might be Pascal and Fountain. >This leaves one unfilled slot for Lovel. [Note how unusual the boys' names are!] The tax >records are as interesting. Solomon is taxed for two polls in 1819, when Pascal comes of age, >but both Pascal and Fountain leave the county and are found elsewhere in the 1820 census. Solomon >goes back to a single poll. In 1822 and 1823 Solomon is again taxed for two polls, which would be >perfect for an unmarried Lovel being born c. 1801. Lovel shows up by himself in 1825, the year >after his marriage. All this makes it look like Lovel is the son of Solomon of Zacharias, but this >Solomon was supposedly married to a woman named Elizabeth McDaniel, not Sarah. > >Steve > >-------------------------------------------------- >From: "George W. Durman" <GermannaResearch@comcast.net> >Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:19 PM >To: <Germanna_Colonies@rootsweb.com>; <Germans-VA@rootsweb.com>; <BROYLES@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [BROYLES] Lovel BROYLES; b.c.1804; d.2 Oct 1865, Monroe Co., WV > >> >> Need some help with Lovel BROYLES in the subject line. >> >> I originally had him as the son of Zacharias BROYLES and Elizabeth BROYLES. >> >> Thanks to Mark Shaw who posted a Comment on the Tree at Ancestry, we now have Lovel's Death Record which shows his parents as >> Solomon BROYLES and Sarah. Lovel's spouse is listed as Elsie, who I am sure is his 2nd wife, Alice "Elsie" "Alcey" RAINS. So, >> I've detached Lovel from Zacharias and re-attached him to Solomon J. BROYLES and Sarah J. "Sally" THOMPSON. >> >> The problem I have is that someone, a long, long time ago, sent me data saying that Solomon and Sarah received a Marriage License >> on 28 Jan 1809 and were married on 2 Feb 1809, about years AFTER Lovel was born. >> >> Plus, in 1809, Solomon was about 36 years old and Sarah was about 28 years old, which just doesn't sit well with me. For both >> spouses to be that old at marriage is very unusual, so I wonder if the marriage data is incorrect. I can't find the original >> correspondence sent to me about the marriage to see if there were any sources given. >> >> Any help appreciated, >> Sarge >> >> >> Germanna Database at Ancestry: >> http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/28427876/recent?o_iid=41125&o_lid=41125&o_sch=Web+Property >> >> My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: >> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna >> >> My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROYLES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROYLES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Germanna Database at Ancestry: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/28427876/recent?o_iid=41125&o_lid=41125&o_sch=Web+Property My Germanna Database at Rootsweb: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=germanna My Germanna Website at Rootsweb: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/index.html