Suzee, My fellow Hebron group descendant, do you feel like a step-child? If it hadn't been for the Hebron list, I would never have become involved in the Germanna aspect of my ancestry. My what I would have missed!! Oh how I recall that trip when we visited Flinsbach and Wagenbach. I had spent about six month's preparing for the trip, but still had so many wonderful surprises. Meeting blood cousins, seeing and touching the chalice from which my Walk ancestors took communion. Yes, you took some pictures as did others for me and they are still a joy. I finally had a "private" visit to the church at Gemmingen, home of the Clores/Klaars at the time of their leaving for America. What an experience! The sextoness came in to clean up after a wedding and opened the grill where the 1500 Hans Sifer Cucifix is now place in a niche for protection. I was allowed to touch it. The Germans seem to find it strange that we are in awe of something that is just everyday for them. None of those who were with me at the church, including the pastor's wife, had any idea as to the sculptor. Hans Sifer is only the most notable sculptor of that period in Germany. Heilbron altar pieces, about life size, is Sifer's work. They survived in a salt mine. The huge monument outside the church where we stopped on Sunday for lunch, did not survive, the French, but the molds were still around. So, basically, it is Sifer's work also. There are four "head" pieces as you go down the stairs to the crypts of that Cathedral. It really pays to surf the web before going. One of the things that is not on the tour, but which I finally was able to visit was the Jewish cemetery in Gemmingen. Acutally, outside the actually Gemmingen lands. It was saved by the mayor in the 1940s, but he lost his life at Stalingrad. I think I spent about 15 minutes in total still silence thinking about many things. The size of the stones and the number indicate a rather significant Jewish community existed there for a number of centuries. It was good to reflect for a brief period. I still do so from time to time. Makes things we read about become real. Cary