Hey George and the rest of y'all. Only one thing I see in favor or working to put data together at Ancestry. At least folks are communicating again on this list. Communication: that is what I enjoy about these lists. However, I've never known the pleasure of downloading a Gencom, nor importing into my computer database program. No, I've never done such. I do use Word to save all my material in manuscript form acording to standards of dissertation writing. So easy to do now. My little ole dissertaintion used probably several trees as about 10,000 sheets were required as not erasures required. Anyhow, I do wish you all well in your endeavor to share. I guess my invite needs to be revoked as I have not accepted. After reading all the discussions, I have decided to continue on my old way. The following is what sometimes is most frustrating to me. I'll be happy to discuss Clore and Walck and Volck and Utz on line. Sure wish some others would take time to try to understand the early church records of Obergimpern. It is tedious work but well rewarding. I understand that there is an expert on the church records in Obergimpern. He was present at the meal at the Wagenbach forester's "hut", but no time to converse! This was on the last trip I took. Evidently, miscommunication or a hurry to get to an organ recital. Obergimpern was where the Wagenbachers did their trading. In fact in the early 1700's one of Volck men married a younger daughter of the baron of Obergimpern! She was of the Catholic faith, but I never found a conversion of the Volch. Records go back into the 1500s in the church books. Hard hoeing, but rewarding. I just gave out as the Volcks are not my kin. But the Hilarius/Galarius/Klar/[Clore] of Obergimpern just probably are. Obergimpern and Gemmingen are only about 10 miles apart. I have not given up on giving the Volck ladies who came as unmarried step-daughters of --was it the Utz fellow?-- Their husbands' large land holders had adjoining property in what I believe is Madison County. All told it is several square miles, if memory serves me. Has any "tour" ever made it there???? Cary