I am not presumptuous enough to think that these will be of any use to anyone BUT on the off chance that someone will find them helpful and be able to save themselves some time, I am posting my ultimate goal for sources for the first two generations of Thoma family on the Germanna Tree. I am lacking citations on Eva Barbara Schoen if anyone happens to have a copy of this source. Now ready to start the third generation -- once I get all of these entered on the tree. TAke care all, Marilyn One other thing -- is the ll before Albrecht indicative of a second marriage for both he and Barbara 3394 ……ll ev.: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 1.+7.10.1731 alt 73 Jahre und Barbara …. +28.4.1718 kath. II marriage 4 Kinder: Johannes *20.12.1685 <siehe 3395> Carolus *Müzesheim 28.12.1688 "auf der Flucht" Johann Conrad *2.8.1696 <siehe 3397> Johann Martin *28.8.1700 <siehe 3398> The listing for his marriage to Maria Anna seems to indicate that he had one marriage -- Can someone double check these two entries for me I know that Anita sent a scanned page from the book but I may have the legend wrong 1.oo one marriage ll.oo 2nd marriage but neither of these entries appears to have the oo. 3396 25.10.1718 ev: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 I marriage <siehe 3394> +7.10.1731 und Maria Anna Schlundt, kath. (Tochter des Johann Schlundt, Bürger zu Gross-Aurach im Bistum Eichstätt) *Gross-Aurach ll+ 29.5.1726 1.Albrecht THOMA b: 1658 src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legend: Bauer, farmer; * born; + died; alt, age; kath, Catholic; l or ll marriage; ev, Lutheran lll ev.: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 +7.10.1731 alt 73Jahre und Barbara +28.4.1718 kath 4 Kinder: Johannes *20.12.1685 Carolus *Müzesheim 28.12.1688 "auf derFlucht" Johann Conrad *2.8.1696 Johann Martin *28.8.1700 d: October 07, 1731 in Neuenbürg, Bishopricof Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Same as above +Barbara d: April 28, 1718 in Neuenbürg, Bishopricof Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Same as the birth and death source forAlbrecht Thoma 2. Johannes THOMA Source:Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg – samecitation as noted in his birth and marriage record determines parentage b: December 20, 1685 inNeuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “---- Thoman and Barbara brought Johannes on 20 December, 1686.Hanss Unger from Danschach(?) knecht was a sponsor. Peter (?) of Unteroewisheim, a single person,also sponsored. Anna Margaretha Hotz ofNeuenbuerg, a single person of Neuenbuerg, was the third.” d: Abt. 1721 in Spotsylvania County, Virginia +Anna Maria Blankenbühler src:Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg – samecitation as noted in her birth and marriage record determines parentage b: May 05, 1687 inNeuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Neuenbürg Parish Records at OberöwisheimFHL INTL Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “Hanss Thomas Blankenbühler with his wife Anna Barbara broughtAnna Maria on 5 May 1687. One sponsor was Gottfrid Fischer. Second was AnnaCatharina the wife of Nicolag Schaiblin. Third was Maria Elisabetha, the wifeof H. Jerg Kuntz.” m: November 18, 1711 inNeuenbürg, Kraichtal, Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “On 18 November 1711, after the proclamation of the wedding, weremarried Johannes THOMA, the legitimate son of Albrecht THOMA citizen here, withthe maiden Anna Maria, the legitimate daughter of Hanss THOMA Blancknbignerformer citizen and stonemason here.” d: Bef. December 28, 1762in Culpeper County, Virginia src: Will of Michael Kaiffer written December 28, 1762Culpeper County,Virginia WB A pg 467. “Michael Kaffer's will, dated 28 Dec. 1762, Will Book A: 467 - 468was probated 17 Nov. 1768 Culpeper Co., VA. He mentions his five daughters andtheir husbands and "my deceased wife's children - John Thomas, MichaelThomas, Magdalena, wife of Michael Smith, andMargaret, wife of Henry Coller (Oyler/Aylor)." 2.Carolus THOMA b: December 28, 1688 in Münzesheim src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203, Samecitation as noted for the birth and death of Albrecht Thoma, his father,identifies parentage. 2.Johann Conrad THOMA b: August 02, 1696 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legend Ev/ Lutheran, Bauer/Farmer, */born ,ll/married ll 14.1.1727 Ev: Johann Conrad THOMA, Bauer *2.8.1696 +…. Und Maria Margarethe Landvatter, (Tochter des Hans Siomon Landvatter,Bürger zu Bibrach +MariaMargaretha Landstetter b: in Bibrach m: January 14, 1726/27 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric ofSpeyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as the birth of Johann Conrad Thoma 2.Johann Martin THOMA b: August 28, 1700 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “AlbrechtTHOMA and Barbara brought Johann Martin born 24 August 1699. Sponsors includeJohann Conrad ___ shoemaker at Münzesheim, Martin B-dorf citizen at Obermaker(?), Anna Catharina the wife of Hanss Peter Zeininger who may be a carpenter.” +EvaBarbara Schöne - need citations b: November 18, 1700 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric ofSpeyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 m: June 20, 1730 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src. Per Cathi Clore Gary J. Zimmerman and Johni Cerny, Before Germanna #2: The Ancestry of the Clore, Kaifer and Thomas Families, (Bountiful, UT: American Genealogical Lending Library, 1990), 37. OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 *2ndWife of 1.Albrecht THOMA: . +MariaAnna SCHLUNDT b: Abt. 1697 in Gross-Aurach m: October 25, 1718 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legendll/Marriage, ev /Evangelical Lutheran, Bauer/farmer, */born, +/died,Tochter/Daughter, kath/Catholic ll 25.10.1718ev: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 I marriage +7.10.1731 und Maria AnnaSchlundt, kath. (Tochter des Johann Schlundt, Bürger zu Gross-Aurach )*Gross-Aurach……+ 29.5.1726 2 Kinder: Ursula Barbara *22.8.1819 +30.6.1720 Anna Maria *24.10.1722 +19.6.1732 kath. d: May 29, 1726 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Same citation as her marriage 2. UrsulaBarbara Thomas b: August 22, 1719 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents establishes parentage d: June 30, 1720 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents 2. AnnaMaria Thomas b: October 24, 1722 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents establishes parentage d: June 19, 1732 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents

auf der Flucht means on the flight during the Nine Year's War See Wikipedia for details. France retains Alsace (including Strasbourg) and surrenders Freiburg, Breisach and Philippsburg to the Holy Roman Empire. http://www.awesomegenealogy.com/german_articleemigration.pdf Interesting reasons for leaving Germany when our ancestors came to America. Anita -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:00 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; germans-va@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Thoma family sources I am not presumptuous enough to think that these will be of any use to anyone BUT on the off chance that someone will find them helpful and be able to save themselves some time, I am posting my ultimate goal for sources for the first two generations of Thoma family on the Germanna Tree. I am lacking citations on Eva Barbara Schoen if anyone happens to have a copy of this source. Now ready to start the third generation -- once I get all of these entered on the tree. TAke care all, Marilyn One other thing -- is the ll before Albrecht indicative of a second marriage for both he and Barbara 3394 ……ll ev.: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 1.+7.10.1731 alt 73 Jahre und Barbara …. +28.4.1718 kath. II marriage 4 Kinder: Johannes *20.12.1685 <siehe 3395> Carolus *Müzesheim 28.12.1688 "auf der Flucht" Johann Conrad *2.8.1696 <siehe 3397> Johann Martin *28.8.1700 <siehe 3398> The listing for his marriage to Maria Anna seems to indicate that he had one marriage -- Can someone double check these two entries for me I know that Anita sent a scanned page from the book but I may have the legend wrong 1.oo one marriage ll.oo 2nd marriage but neither of these entries appears to have the oo. 3396 25.10.1718 ev: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 I marriage <siehe 3394> +7.10.1731 und Maria Anna Schlundt, kath. (Tochter des Johann Schlundt, Bürger zu Gross-Aurach im Bistum Eichstätt) *Gross-Aurach ll+ 29.5.1726 1.Albrecht THOMA b: 1658 src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legend: Bauer, farmer; * born; + died; alt, age; kath, Catholic; l or ll marriage; ev, Lutheran lll ev.: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 +7.10.1731 alt 73Jahre und Barbara +28.4.1718 kath 4 Kinder: Johannes *20.12.1685 Carolus *Müzesheim 28.12.1688 "auf derFlucht" Johann Conrad *2.8.1696 Johann Martin *28.8.1700 d: October 07, 1731 in Neuenbürg, Bishopricof Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Same as above +Barbara d: April 28, 1718 in Neuenbürg, Bishopricof Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Same as the birth and death source forAlbrecht Thoma 2. Johannes THOMA Source:Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg – samecitation as noted in his birth and marriage record determines parentage b: December 20, 1685 inNeuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “---- Thoman and Barbara brought Johannes on 20 December, 1686.Hanss Unger from Danschach(?) knecht was a sponsor. Peter (?) of Unteroewisheim, a single person,also sponsored. Anna Margaretha Hotz ofNeuenbuerg, a single person of Neuenbuerg, was the third.” d: Abt. 1721 in Spotsylvania County, Virginia +Anna Maria Blankenbühler src:Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL +Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg – samecitation as noted in her birth and +marriage record determines parentage b: May 05, 1687 inNeuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Neuenbürg Parish Records at OberöwisheimFHL INTL Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “Hanss Thomas Blankenbühler with his wife Anna Barbara broughtAnna Maria on 5 May 1687. One sponsor was Gottfrid Fischer. Second was AnnaCatharina the wife of Nicolag Schaiblin. Third was Maria Elisabetha, the wifeof H. Jerg Kuntz.” m: November 18, 1711 inNeuenbürg, Kraichtal, Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “On 18 November 1711, after the proclamation of the wedding, weremarried Johannes THOMA, the legitimate son of Albrecht THOMA citizen here, withthe maiden Anna Maria, the legitimate daughter of Hanss THOMA Blancknbignerformer citizen and stonemason here.” d: Bef. December 28, 1762in Culpeper County, Virginia src: Will of Michael Kaiffer written December 28, 1762Culpeper County,Virginia WB A pg 467. “Michael Kaffer's will, dated 28 Dec. 1762, Will Book A: 467 - 468was probated 17 Nov. 1768 Culpeper Co., VA. He mentions his five daughters andtheir husbands and "my deceased wife's children - John Thomas, MichaelThomas, Magdalena, wife of Michael Smith, andMargaret, wife of Henry Coller (Oyler/Aylor)." 2.Carolus THOMA b: December 28, 1688 in Münzesheim src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203, Samecitation as noted for the birth and death of Albrecht Thoma, his father,identifies parentage. 2.Johann Conrad THOMA b: August 02, 1696 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legend Ev/ Lutheran, Bauer/Farmer, */born ,ll/married ll 14.1.1727 Ev: Johann Conrad THOMA, Bauer *2.8.1696 +…. Und Maria Margarethe Landvatter, (Tochter des Hans Siomon Landvatter,Bürger zu Bibrach +MariaMargaretha Landstetter b: in Bibrach m: January 14, 1726/27 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric ofSpeyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as the birth of Johann Conrad Thoma 2.Johann Martin THOMA b: August 28, 1700 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “AlbrechtTHOMA and Barbara brought Johann Martin born 24 August 1699. Sponsors includeJohann Conrad ___ shoemaker at Münzesheim, Martin B-dorf citizen at Obermaker(?), Anna Catharina the wife of Hanss Peter Zeininger who may be a carpenter.” +EvaBarbara Schöne - need citations b: November 18, 1700 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric ofSpeyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 m: June 20, 1730 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src. Per Cathi Clore Gary J. Zimmerman and Johni Cerny, Before Germanna #2: The Ancestry of the Clore, Kaifer and Thomas Families, (Bountiful, UT: American Genealogical Lending Library, 1990), 37. OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 *2ndWife of 1.Albrecht THOMA: . +MariaAnna SCHLUNDT b: Abt. 1697 in Gross-Aurach m: October 25, 1718 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legendll/Marriage, ev /Evangelical Lutheran, Bauer/farmer, */born, +/died,Tochter/Daughter, kath/Catholic ll 25.10.1718ev: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 I marriage +7.10.1731 und Maria AnnaSchlundt, kath. (Tochter des Johann Schlundt, Bürger zu Gross-Aurach )*Gross-Aurach……+ 29.5.1726 2 Kinder: Ursula Barbara *22.8.1819 +30.6.1720 Anna Maria *24.10.1722 +19.6.1732 kath. d: May 29, 1726 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Same citation as her marriage 2. UrsulaBarbara Thomas b: August 22, 1719 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents establishes parentage d: June 30, 1720 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents 2. AnnaMaria Thomas b: October 24, 1722 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents establishes parentage d: June 19, 1732 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Small typo: Little Carolus (Karl) was born in Muenzesheim, a part of the town (=Stadtteil) of Kraichtal today. I have a little bit more info on the siblings of Maria Anna Schlundt from Gross-Aurach (my own great-grandparents were from Gross-Aurach): Descendants of Hans Schlundt Generation No. 1 1. HANS1 SCHLUNDT died 05 Jun 1699 in Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. He married (2) BARBARA MAYR 17 Jul 1678 in Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany, daughter of JOHANNES MAYR. She was born in Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany, and died 21 Jan 1695/96 in Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. Children of HANS SCHLUNDT are: i. AGATHA2 SCHLUNDT, b. 25 Aug 1668, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. ii. MARTIN SCHLUNDT, b. 04 Nov 1669, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. iii. LORENZ SCHLUNDT, b. 10 Aug 1674, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. iv. MARIA MARGARETHA SCHLUNDT, b. 28 Jan 1676/77, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. Children of HANS SCHLUNDT and BARBARA MAYR are: v. JOHANN GEORG2 SCHLUNDT, b. 13 Aug 1679, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. vi. LORENZ SCHLUNDT, b. 21 May 1682, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. vii. KATHARINA SCHLUNDT, b. 06 Dec 1684, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. viii. JOHANN JAKOB SCHLUNDT, b. 13 Jul 1686, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. ix. JOHANN LEONHARD SCHLUNDT, b. 23 Aug 1687, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. x. MARIA ANNA SCHLUNDT, b. 31 Aug 1689, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany; d. 29 May 1726, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. xi. MARTIN SCHLUNDT, b. 11 Oct 1692, Gross-Aurach, Bavaria, Germany. Elke -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anita Schmidt Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 5:33 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANNA] Thoma family sources auf der Flucht means on the flight during the Nine Year's War See Wikipedia for details. France retains Alsace (including Strasbourg) and surrenders Freiburg, Breisach and Philippsburg to the Holy Roman Empire. http://www.awesomegenealogy.com/german_articleemigration.pdf Interesting reasons for leaving Germany when our ancestors came to America. Anita -----Original Message----- From: germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germanna_colonies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gneolog@aol.com Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 12:00 PM To: germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com; germans-va@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANNA] Thoma family sources I am not presumptuous enough to think that these will be of any use to anyone BUT on the off chance that someone will find them helpful and be able to save themselves some time, I am posting my ultimate goal for sources for the first two generations of Thoma family on the Germanna Tree. I am lacking citations on Eva Barbara Schoen if anyone happens to have a copy of this source. Now ready to start the third generation -- once I get all of these entered on the tree. TAke care all, Marilyn One other thing -- is the ll before Albrecht indicative of a second marriage for both he and Barbara 3394 ……ll ev.: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 1.+7.10.1731 alt 73 Jahre und Barbara …. +28.4.1718 kath. II marriage 4 Kinder: Johannes *20.12.1685 <siehe 3395> Carolus *Müzesheim 28.12.1688 "auf der Flucht" Johann Conrad *2.8.1696 <siehe 3397> Johann Martin *28.8.1700 <siehe 3398> The listing for his marriage to Maria Anna seems to indicate that he had one marriage -- Can someone double check these two entries for me I know that Anita sent a scanned page from the book but I may have the legend wrong 1.oo one marriage ll.oo 2nd marriage but neither of these entries appears to have the oo. 3396 25.10.1718 ev: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 I marriage <siehe 3394> +7.10.1731 und Maria Anna Schlundt, kath. (Tochter des Johann Schlundt, Bürger zu Gross--Aurach im Bistum Eichstätt) *Gross-Aurach ll+ 29.5.1726 1.Albrecht THOMA b: 1658 src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legend: Bauer, farmer; * born; + died; alt, age; kath, Catholic; l or ll marriage; ev, Lutheran lll ev.: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 +7.10.1731 alt 73Jahre und Barbara +28.4.1718 kath 4 Kinder: Johannes *20.12.1685 Carolus *Müzesheim 28.12.1688 "auf derFlucht" Johann Conrad *2.8.1696 Johann Martin *28.8.1700 d: October 07, 1731 in Neuenbürg, Bishopricof Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Same as above +Barbara d: April 28, 1718 in Neuenbürg, Bishopricof Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Same as the birth and death source forAlbrecht Thoma 2. Johannes THOMA Source:Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg – samecitation as noted in his birth and marriage record determines parentage b: December 20, 1685 inNeuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “---- Thoman and Barbara brought Johannes on 20 December, 1686.Hanss Unger from Danschach(?) knecht was a sponsor. Peter (?) of Unteroewisheim, a single person,also sponsored. Anna Margaretha Hotz ofNeuenbuerg, a single person of Neuenbuerg, was the third.” d: Abt. 1721 in Spotsylvania County, Virginia +Anna Maria Blankenbühler src:Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTL +Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg – samecitation as noted in her birth and +marriage record determines parentage b: May 05, 1687 inNeuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Neuenbürg Parish Records at OberöwisheimFHL INTL Film # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “Hanss Thomas Blankenbühler with his wife Anna Barbara broughtAnna Maria on 5 May 1687. One sponsor was Gottfrid Fischer. Second was AnnaCatharina the wife of Nicolag Schaiblin. Third was Maria Elisabetha, the wifeof H. Jerg Kuntz.” m: November 18, 1711 inNeuenbürg, Kraichtal, Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “On 18 November 1711, after the proclamation of the wedding, weremarried Johannes THOMA, the legitimate son of Albrecht THOMA citizen here, withthe maiden Anna Maria, the legitimate daughter of Hanss THOMA Blancknbignerformer citizen and stonemason here.” d: Bef. December 28, 1762in Culpeper County, Virginia src: Will of Michael Kaiffer written December 28, 1762Culpeper County,Virginia WB A pg 467. “Michael Kaffer's will, dated 28 Dec. 1762, Will Book A: 467 - 468was probated 17 Nov. 1768 Culpeper Co., VA. He mentions his five daughters andtheir husbands and "my deceased wife's children - John Thomas, MichaelThomas, Magdalena, wife of Michael Smith, andMargaret, wife of Henry Coller (Oyler/Aylor)." 2.Carolus THOMA b: December 28, 1688 in Münzesheim src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203, Samecitation as noted for the birth and death of Albrecht Thoma, his father,identifies parentage. 2.Johann Conrad THOMA b: August 02, 1696 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legend Ev/ Lutheran, Bauer/Farmer, */born ,ll/married ll 14.1.1727 Ev: Johann Conrad THOMA, Bauer *2.8.1696 +…. Und Maria Margarethe Landvatter, (Tochter des Hans Siomon Landvatter,Bürger zu Bibrach +MariaMargaretha Landstetter b: in Bibrach m: January 14, 1726/27 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric ofSpeyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as the birth of Johann Conrad Thoma 2.Johann Martin THOMA b: August 28, 1700 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Oberöwisheim church records. FHL INTLFilm # 1,192 078 Neuenbürg “AlbrechtTHOMA and Barbara brought Johann Martin born 24 August 1699. Sponsors includeJohann Conrad ___ shoemaker at Münzesheim, Martin B-dorf citizen at Obermaker(?), Anna Catharina the wife of Hanss Peter Zeininger who may be a carpenter.” +EvaBarbara Schöne - need citations b: November 18, 1700 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric ofSpeyer, (now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 m: June 20, 1730 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src. Per Cathi Clore Gary J. Zimmerman and Johni Cerny, Before Germanna #2: The Ancestry of the Clore, Kaifer and Thomas Families, (Bountiful, UT: American Genealogical Lending Library, 1990), 37. OrtssippenbuchOberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile vonKraichtal, Landreis Karlsruhe berbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 *2ndWife of 1.Albrecht THOMA: . +MariaAnna SCHLUNDT b: Abt. 1697 in Gross-Aurach m: October 25, 1718 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Legendll/Marriage, ev /Evangelical Lutheran, Bauer/farmer, */born, +/died,Tochter/Daughter, kath/Catholic ll 25.10.1718ev: Albrecht THOMA, Bauer, *ca 1658 I marriage +7.10.1731 und Maria AnnaSchlundt, kath. (Tochter des Johann Schlundt, Bürger zu Gross--Aurach )*Gross--Aurach……+ 29.5.1726 2 Kinder: Ursula Barbara *22.8.1819 +30.6.1720 Anna Maria *24.10.1722 +19.6.1732 kath. d: May 29, 1726 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Same citation as her marriage 2. UrsulaBarbara Thomas b: August 22, 1719 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents establishes parentage d: June 30, 1720 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents 2. AnnaMaria Thomas b: October 24, 1722 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents establishes parentage d: June 19, 1732 in Neuenbürg, Bishopric of Speyer,(now) Baden-Württemberg, Germany src: Ortssippenbuch Oberöwisheim - Neuenbürg Stadtteile von Kraichtal, Landreis Karlsruheberbeitet von Karl Diefenbacher und Klaus Rössler, FHL 943 B4do, series. A, Volume. 203 Samecitation as for the marriage of her parents TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In Ortssippenbuch, each family, i.e., one man and one woman and their children, has a different entry or family number. If a man is married twice, he will appear with two entry numbers, one for each wife. The same thing would apply to women who marry twice. John Blankenbaker

This is all very interesting, bit so far only one person on these lists seems to have picked up on the fact that the wife of John-2 Holtzclaw was Elizabeth Thomas, widow of EDMOND Thomas. I will say it again in case everyone was asleep the first time around. This widow of Edmond Thomas married, apparently while pregnant. to John-2 Holtzclaw and named her new son Jacob Thomas, after his (John's) father. I do NOT think that Edmond Thomas, the father was a German. So, we may have ENGLISH THOMAS and other possibly German THOMA/THOMAS peope all mixed up. DNA testing would be most interesting, though I don't think we can go back far enough in time to prove it, especially if everyone is pre-convinced it is a German family. Sometimes we have to think outside of our original ideas. On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:54 PM, John Blankenbaker wrote: > In Ortssippenbuch, each family, i.e., one man and one woman and their > children, has a different entry or family number. If a man is married > twice, he will appear with two entry numbers, one for each wife. The > same thing would apply to women who marry twice. > > John Blankenbaker > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message