Craig, I can't vouch for Edmund in any manner but I can confirm that the John and Michael Tomer who got the land patent in Culpeper are the brothers John Thomas who ended up in Rockingham Co., NC and Michael who ended up in Fayette Co., KY since their descendants share the same DNA markers on 67 markers. Pretty convincing evidence. Edmund strikes me as an English name but no science connected with that idea -- just rambling. There is some other English Thomas and German Thomas interaction -- I suspect that is the case in the Railsback/Huffman line with a Presley Thomas and would love to learn more about this line. Also possibly an English and German Thomas intermarriage in Warren Co., KY in the Henry Thomas, son of Michael line. In Orange Co, there is also a Lewis, Owen, Joseph and Elizabeth Thomas mixed in with the Hardin's who interacted with the Holtzclaws. Lots of unanswered questions. Take care. Marilyn -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby <craig@craigkilby.com> To: Germanna List German Colonists List <germanna_colonies@rootsweb.com>; Germans-VA <germans-va@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 1:43 pm Subject: [GERMANNA] Thoma/Thomas Family This is all very interesting, bit so far only one person on these lists seems to have picked up on the fact that the wife of John-2 Holtzclaw was Elizabeth Thomas, widow of EDMOND Thomas. I will say it again in case everyone was asleep the first time around. This widow of Edmond Thomas married, apparently while pregnant. to John-2 Holtzclaw and named her new son Jacob Thomas, after his (John's) father. I do NOT think that Edmond Thomas, the father was a German. So, we may have ENGLISH THOMAS and other possibly German THOMA/THOMAS peope all mixed up. DNA testing would be most interesting, though I don't think we can go back far enough in time to prove it, especially if everyone is pre-convinced it is a German family. Sometimes we have to think outside of our original ideas. On Sep 9, 2011, at 3:54 PM, John Blankenbaker wrote: > In Ortssippenbuch, each family, i.e., one man and one woman and their > children, has a different entry or family number. If a man is married > twice, he will appear with two entry numbers, one for each wife. The > same thing would apply to women who marry twice. > > John Blankenbaker > TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message TN Germanna Reunion - Sept. 9-11 http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~george/easttennesseereunion2011.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANNA_COLONIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message